[Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
Wesson Gaige via OE
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Tue Nov 1 16:24:32 PDT 2016
No matter which of the major party candidates is elected, the next 4 years will be sacrificed. You’re voting out of fear rather than your values.
I refuse to accept the 'two party' paradigm. The 'winner take all' paradigm is not serving us well. In this paradigm, I can't win because I do not agree with either choice. And I'm too old to continue accepting the 'lesser of two evils' argument. There needs to be more than two choices. We need a broad spectrum of choices. It's one reason the political participation is so pathetic. People are smart enough to figure out their voice will not be heard. We need proportional representation. The views of people along the entire spectrum of need to be used. That way we can all win.
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 4:57 PM, laurelcg at aol.com wrote:
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> A vote for a third party this year is a vote for Trump.
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> I, for one, am willing to work in the next 4 years to build the infrastructure necessary for viable new parties, either Green or Social Democrat. I'm not willing to sacrifice the next 4 years.
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> Jann McGuire
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> From: Wesson Gaige via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: jonzondo <jonzondo at juno.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
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> Hillary will not change the toxic system we have. Change cannot come from within the current structure. The two party stranglehold has to end. They are two sides of the same coin. Join the Green Party movement. The Green Party is value based. Check out the 4 Pillars and 10 Key Values on gp.org <http://www.gp.org/> Vote for Jill Stein and support Green candidates down ballot.
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> Jill2016.com <http://jill2016.com/>
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> Vote your values, not your fears.
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 3:36 PM, jonzondo at juno.com <mailto:jonzondo at juno.com> via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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> Dear Group.
> Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery.
> Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.
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> This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives.
> I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.
> The change needed in the system is huge. Our current system is incredible broken in so many ways. We are a first world country "purposefully" going backwards by not investing in our infrastructure nor in our people.
> In my observation and opinion, much of the national frustration shows itself in the desire to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any alternative. The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up.
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> One of the traps is either/or thinking.
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> one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.
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> One of the traps is "personal attacks".
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> one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".
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> What I know in my bones is that we are all connected. That mysterious truth, combined with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward.
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> Walk in Beauty,
> Jon
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> From: Isobel Bishop via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> To: Wilson Priscilla H <pris at teamtechpress.com <mailto:pris at teamtechpress.com>>, Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100
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> Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the
> Honesty, pain and fear expressed in
> depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.
> Thankyou all.
> In peace and love,
> Isobel
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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> No one has said that better, Randy. You should put that on Facebook…so we can all copy your words.
> Priscilla Wilson
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> Well said, Randy!!
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> On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> I keep asking, but still have not seen, one shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate the charge that Hillary has committed a criminal act of any sort. She's made serious mistakes like with the private server, she has not been as transparent as she could and perhaps should have been, she got paid a lot of money for some speeches (but less than some men), she's flip-flopped on some positions she's taken like on TPP, she has a super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a huge liability for a woman in our culture), she didn't play nice when she was First Lady trying to get health care passed, as Secretary of State she traveled the world and spoke truth to power like the Premier of China, and after much gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose to stay true to her vow to her husband of "for better or worse" through "worse." And to add insult to injury, she decided to run to be the first woman in the Office of President of the United States. How dare she. Despise her for all those things and hate all her positions on the issues, but don't accuse her of being a criminal unless you have some rock solid proof that hours and years and millions of dollars worth of hearings, investigations and witch hunts by scores of government agencies, news media and nondescript malcontents have been unable to produce. I've heard the rumors, innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross distortions and outright lies, everything but verifiable truth. Got any? Then let's have it. But double check your sources before you put it out there because there really are some malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land and a lot of fools are believing them and then repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just isn't.
> Randy
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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> Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world.
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> Susan
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> On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle at gmail.com <mailto:sophiacircle at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him.
> I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation.
> Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?".
> Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so.
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> On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message?
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> Susan
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> On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Dear Susan,
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> Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected?
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> From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald.
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> Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations.
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> Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet.
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> Your phrase: "only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.” is really the truth that the world sees about Trump.
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> I would invite you to see all that as a projection.
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> Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree?
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> Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women.
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> While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will ‘end’.
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> Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression.
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> We are all responsible. Everyone.
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> Ken in Canada.
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> A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die
> http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy <http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy>
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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> Values??? The only values I see are abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement.
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> Susan
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> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
> On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> Colleagues--
> So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid.
> Inner Peace,
> Bill
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> Mrs. Hillary Clinton:
> It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world.
> It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City.
> You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote.
> Grace and Peace,
> Pastor William E. Salmon
> 744 So. 10th
> Salina, KS 67401
> wsalmon at cox.net <mailto:wsalmon at cox.net>
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