[Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan

Tue Nov 1 10:22:57 PDT 2016

Historical perspective:  After Andrew Jackson’s election (similar level of frustrations), he was responsible for the actions leading to the genocidal ‘Trail of Tears’ and ‘Trail of Death.’  He refused to accept the Supreme Court’s finding that the expulsions were unconstitutional.  And the republic survived.  But many Native Americans didn’t.  

This great experiment has its dark side in the governmental support of the KKK following Reconstruction, another act of populism.  We aren’t pure, we haven’t avoided evil in the past and likely won’t in the future.  But we’re still here.  We’re still struggling with the incredible level of power in our hands, and do great damage even when we intend great good.  Our greatest danger is believing that there is a wish dream worth idealizing rather than realities to address.

Bill

From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Susan Fertig via OE
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:16 AM
To: Judi White
Cc: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan

Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a criminal--her vision for the country is my first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed. Both of them scare me to death. But neither if the other candidates is really an option either. I fear we're about to see this great American experiment in democracy become something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world.

Susan

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On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White <sophiacircle at gmail.com> wrote:

Well,  what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him. 
I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this nation. 
Also I stand firm in ny admiration which  never ceases, of this woman who has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?". 
Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time.  Rightly so. 

On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my message?

Susan

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On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Susan,

Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity. How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and have your world view remain unaffected?

>From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image of America she represents.  Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald.

Each and every ‘crime’ that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush administrations.

Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist, homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. 

Your phrase: "only values I see are  abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary.” is really the truth that the world sees about Trump.

I would invite you to see all that as a projection.

Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree?

Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women.

While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has committed itself to an ‘end game’ and it would seem that indeed, the GOP will ‘end’.

Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. 

We are all responsible. Everyone.

Ken in Canada.

A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy

On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Values??? The only values I see are  abject greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement.

Susan

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On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Colleagues--

    So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up. Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid. 

    Inner Peace, 

    Bill 

Mrs. Hillary Clinton:

    It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the world. 

    It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City. 

    You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. 

    Grace and Peace, 

    Pastor William E. Salmon

    744 So. 10th

    Salina, KS  67401

    wsalmon at cox.net

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