[Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan

Tue Nov 1 10:11:32 PDT 2016

Let us go gently into the anger and frustration around us.  (full disclosure
- Hillary supporter against Barack Obama in 2008).  We are participating in
governance - like making sausage only not so neat - and  multiple and
conflicting layers of resentment, entitlement and misplaced blame abound.
We do better when we look at systems than at personalities, when we identify
contradictions than when we denigrate persons.  We are responsible to shape
conversations in ways that move beyond polarities.  Susan's views both
reflect the sentiments of many and transmit the blaming and shaming of a
complex human being.  The temptation is not to ask why that's all she can
see, but to get caught in a retaliatory set of charges against another
person.  

We know we're trapped.  We don't know how to address the trap itself.

Bill Schlesinger

From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Judi White
via OE
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:55 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community; Susan Fertig
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. - Dear
Susan

Well,  what you wrote is what Frumper repeats over and over. Mist who parrot
him do support him. 
I Personally prefer to read responses to a candidates vision for this
nation. 
Also I stand firm in ny admiration which  never ceases, of this woman who
has continued in spite of the unbelievable accusations which are so blown up
out of the real world of truth and honesty that it is cause for seriously
asking "Why?". 
Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid vision for this nation and this
planet? There is no other candidate who shines so brightly and qualified to
be an example for our children and grandchildren at this time.  Rightly so. 

On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

How in the world did you infer that I must be a Trump supporter from my
message?

Susan

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid

On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Susan,

Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and 16-year Order member, I am awed
by your commitment to American Republicanism and conservative Christianity.
How in the world did you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA community and
have your world view remain unaffected?

>From the perspective of Canada, we are 87% supporters of HRC and the image
of America she represents.  Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald.

Each and every 'crime' that I have read about that is attributed to Hillary
has been most grandly committed by Republicans in previous Bush
administrations.

Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an out and out racist, sexist,
homophobe, parochial narcissist and most of all a climate change denier? HRC
is none of the above. Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie and to
Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet. 

Your phrase: "only values I see are  abject greed, a pathological allegiance
to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She
has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and
disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the
contrary." is really the truth that the world sees about Trump.

I would invite you to see all that as a projection.

Should Trump take ownership of any of the above, that would be a fine moment
of grace. Would you not agree?

Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist, literary critic, essayist, and
environmental activist) describes America in the midst of a Salem type witch
hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women.

While there are indeed my contradictions in American society that both the
Republican and Democratic administrations must answer for, the attached
article came closest - for me - in describing how the Republican voice has
committed itself to an 'end game' and it would seem that indeed, the GOP
will 'end'.

Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all Trump supporters who have been
left without any vision other than rebellion or depression. 

We are all responsible. Everyone.

Ken in Canada.

A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy

On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

Values??? The only values I see are  abject greed, a pathological allegiance
to lies, and arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent the law. She
has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the poor and
disadvantaged yet claims she has in the face of all evidence to the
contrary. I've heard for years about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and
I truly hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the
movement.

Susan

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid

On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

Colleagues--

    So many raise the question concerning Hillary Clinton's relationship to
E.I. I decided to cast this bread upon the waters. The first sign is that
while I addressed it to Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped up.
Consequently, it may really get to her attention, to that of some aid. May
it be a Kool-Aid. 

    Inner Peace, 

    Bill 

Mrs. Hillary Clinton:

    It is my prayer that this reaches you concerning your experience in 5th
City, Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston. Your Youth Director, Don
Jones, must have been at a training event to become known as RS-I. About the
same time, a large number of us dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement
that grew from our experience in Chicago Ghetto to literally embrace the
world. 

    It makes me wonder if your experience under his leadership influenced
the values you hold dear, and now wish to step onto the platform of the
Presidency to do for our United States and for the world what was embraced
by the courageous citizens in 5th City. 

    You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote. 

    Grace and Peace, 

    Pastor William E. Salmon

    744 So. 10th

    Salina, KS  67401

    wsalmon at cox.net

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