[Oe List ...] FW: I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday

Sat Dec 12 03:12:44 PST 2015

Thanks Jan.

Langer posited a basic and pervasive human need to symbolize, to invent meanings, and to invest meanings in one’s world.  It was a property of the human mind to search for and to find significances everywhere, to transform experience constantly to uncover new meanings.

…. implying new actions and behaviours.  What a woman.

And thanks David for the simple graphic.

k

On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:26 PM, Janet Sanders via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

I sent this out yesterday, but not certain it made it into the discussion.  Jan 

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Subject: RE: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:32:04 -0500

Hello to all, 

In 1971, I took my first course with the EI/ICA called Imaginal Education.  I walked into the empty seminar room to get a feel for the space.  As I walked around the tables all laid out so intentionally, I vividly remember thinking, "My life will never be the same." 

44 years later, I am still in dialogue with the wisdom of that gathering.  I was particularily fascinated with with was called the Art Form conversation.  At that point the pedagogues talked about it being inspired by Susan Langer's work. 

It wasn't until this year that I went looking for Susan's work.  I'm attaching and also sending a link for an article of appreciation by Howard Gardner for her work.  http://www.anthonyflood.com/gardnerlanger.htm <http://www.anthonyflood.com/gardnerlanger.htm>     She was using art forms to explore the world of meaning.  

From Art, Mind, and Brain: A Cognitive Approach to Creativity, New York, Basic Books, 1982, 48-54.

Philosophy in a New Key Revisited: An Appreciation of Susanne Langer

Janet A. Sanders

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:42:34 -0600
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine,	Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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The art form has a lot of similarity to Dietrich Bonhoeffer's process for making responsible decisions: observe, judge, weigh-up, decide, act 
Randy

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On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:03 AM, via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

In the mid-80's, Gene Marshall published a binder with different conversation and workshop methods spelled out, for use by House Churches. Think I still have my copy in the garage.

Jann McGuire

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A few notes on "art-form" and ORID conversations...In the 60's and 70's the Ecumenical Institute and its faculty from the Faith and Life community at UT Austin, conducted conversation about the impact of works of art. Notably Picaso's Guernica - impressions of saturation bombing; and the film Requim for a Heavyweight staring Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer who decides that even he can live his life... The focus of these two conversations was not to teach anything directly but rather to allow the participants of the RS-I (Religious Studies - I seminar) to experience their experience of the painting and the film. As pedegogs we were listening to the participants' responses for their theological views, which could guide us in guiding the following sessions of the 44 hour weekend course.

I'm not sure when we formulated the ORID format - Marylin Olyer should know :-) but I associate ORID with our formalizing of facilitator skills training courses and the manuals for Group Facilitation Methods (now ToP Facilitation Methods) and Participatory Strategic Planning (now ToP Strategic Planning). Personally I think that the earlier titles / branding "GFM" and "PSP" are much more self-descriptive and clearer for marketing purposes. I suppose we could use both: "ToP - Group Facilitation Methods"; and "ToP - Participatory Strategic Planning". 

Happy Holidays to All.../ Sherwood (on the road facilitating workshop on agricultural development in Kazakhstan and Kyrgykstan...back home Dec 18th.) 

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Me: “Where did the art form methodology come from?

David McKlesky:  “Rudolf Bultman.  This is his method of scriptural grounding.”

k

On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:09 PM, steve har via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

from the point of view of Imaginal Education and Imaginal Learning. 

As I heard it, he asked
Is there a difference between an Art Form Conversation and ORID question - and- someone just mentioned a "spirit question".

What is the difference between an art form conversation, an ORID conversation, a spirit question? 

Jan Sanders, I know,  was recently asked by her teachers and principles at Aruba University why the conversation was called "art form" conversation. 
It sent her looking back into Brian Stanfield's work and Susan Langer's cultural mythology and meaning making.

Does someone have a generous answer? 

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Steve Harrington
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