[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Breakfast News Conversations...

RICHARD HOWIE via OE oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
Thu Aug 27 03:58:26 PDT 2015


Ellen here.
I can't help leaping in and wondering do we have a sniff of what our  
Fall Global Study needs to be?
I have just begun reading David Brooks: THE ROAD TO CHARACTER.
I will be having cataract surgery on 10/4 with the hopes that this  
will result in the fine outcome which my other eye (now 20/30) enjoys  
and as I told my MEDIA MENTOR Steve Harrington, make computer work a  
bit more comfortable....sight is a beautiful thing!
On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:48 AM, James Wiegel via OE wrote:

> This is great.  Hits smack on where my sensitivities are being  
> rubbed raw especially by online/media life.  Margaret Wheatley  
> talks about being "distracted beyond recall" in So Far From Home.   
> Tex Sample, in Powerful Persuasion, describes the fundamental shift  
> in literacy from print to electronic and the task of becoming  
> deeply literate, both in the input and output (reading and writing  
> equivalent)
>
> And, here, is Ken Gilgren reflecting a bit on some social media and  
> where they might fit
> http://patterns.gillgrencommunication.com/2009/03/12/demystifying- 
> social-networking-media/
>
> (Sigh).
>
> Jim Wiegel
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> On Aug 25, 2015, at 22:20, John Epps via OE  
> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>> The version of The Liberal Heresy was actually penned by Desmond  
>> Avery in a summer program for the publication there. It came from  
>> content of JWM, but was written by Desmond in his inimitable style.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Jack Gilles via OE  
>> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>> This paper is an interesting read and gives an insight to what our  
>> thinking was way back in 1976! This talk was not given by JWM. My  
>> guess would be Gene Marshall, it has his style to it.
>>
>> It made me think that if I was giving such a talk today those  
>> would not be my points. It is not that they don’t, or didn’t,  
>> have a validity, but it is not how I experience the heresy today,  
>> if you want to call it that.
>>
>> My four columns would be:
>>
>> 1. Righteous Demonization. My Facebook gets a lot of these. “If  
>> there weren’t all these selfish and stupid people causing all  
>> these problems we’d get the job done!”
>>
>> 2. Focus on Issues, not Contradictions This shows up with a  
>> disregard for the systemic nature of life.
>>
>> 3. Winning the argument is more important than solving the  
>> problem. Highly located in academia, but a disease possessed by many.
>>
>> 4. Wisdom does lie in the people who live the situations that need  
>> to change. Call it “Expertise-ism”.
>>
>> These are just four quick ones off the top of my head. But they  
>> seem to be more in line with what I encounter than the old ones.  
>> There are also points in the ignorance of the role of spirit,  
>> symbol, etc. in the change process.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Frank Knutson via OE  
>>> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Enclosed: THE LIBERAL HERESY  \
>>> I think it was given by John Epps or maybe Gene Marshall????
>>> <THE LIBERAL HERESY.docx>
>>>
>>>
>>> "What appears to be a breaking down of civilization
>>> may well be simply the breaking up of old forms by life itself."
>>>     ~ Joyce Carol Oates
>>> <VIKING copy.jpeg>
>>> ❤ Frank
>>>
>>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue  
>>>> <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fascists and dictators (and now just about everyone) have long  
>>>> understood that
>>>> deviant behavior is encouraged by the fact that the media give  
>>>> it coverage.
>>>> For example it used to be, "Don't write about suicide" because  
>>>> the mere
>>>> mention of suicide might inspire someone to commit suicide in  
>>>> the next few days.
>>>> Now we are flooded with all kinds of deviant inspiration.  We  
>>>> live in a time of
>>>> internet, Facebook, Twitter and adultery matchup-services.
>>>> Like the phrase sometimes used in the RS-1 'Freedom Lecture,'   
>>>> "All Is Known,"
>>>> literally!  The inundation of 'information' has either swamped  
>>>> us with stress and
>>>> physical reaction or prompted a new level of defensive  
>>>> withdrawal from engaging.
>>>> Scriptural wisdom and "Deciding" goes by the board!
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: steve har via OE
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:06 AM
>>>> To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net ; Order Ecumenical ICA-USA
>>>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...
>>>>
>>>> Also called scripture/news conversations
>>>>
>>>> You remember them right?
>>>> random bits of recalled news and then a piece of scriptural wisdom
>>>> what to do about it?
>>>>
>>>> These days news like trying to "drink from a fire hose"
>>>> My experience now living in the USfA now rather than Costa Rica and
>>>> listening to USA media is curious.
>>>>
>>>> Feels to me like a case of news culture ADHD where nothing is
>>>> connected to anything except by more and more crisis news  
>>>> events, more
>>>> passionate & positional thinking more economic political and  
>>>> cultural
>>>> and more and more "news journalists" driving to their bank on the
>>>> stream of news.
>>>>
>>>> My friend Jack Gilles, if I quote him right, says ORID  
>>>> conversations
>>>> no longer have a "D" now because it it is all interpretation,  
>>>> everyone
>>>> has an opinion, everyone is a spectator stuck in the stands  
>>>> watching
>>>> an unplayable game.
>>>>
>>>> Now in conversations  is no "D" in ORID, no one knows how to  
>>>> Decide or what Do.
>>>> "D" stands for Dumpster or "Don't decide" or "Despair" or just  
>>>> "Done".
>>>>
>>>> Joe Mathews had a paper, I believe,  which he  called the liberal
>>>> heresy - aybe it was the conservative heresy or the reactionary
>>>> heresy.
>>>> He used some fancy theological terminology like "the  immediacy  
>>>> of the
>>>> eschaton" which I never did understand,exactly.
>>>> Anyone remember this paper?
>>>>
>>>> Wondering where IS the scripture part, the wisdom part of the
>>>> breakfast news conversation?
>>>>
>>>> The Christian Science Monitor says THEY are doing two  
>>>> things...As days
>>>> and weeks pass, the media move on to new stories, often  
>>>> neglecting to
>>>> tell the “what’s possible?” stories about how the people and
>>>> communities affected by these tragedies are coping and what  
>>>> they’re
>>>> learning. We hear these types of stories on one-year anniversaries,
>>>> but they’re not an ongoing part of the media’s coverage the  
>>>> way that
>>>> the “what happened?” stories are. A growing body of research is
>>>> confirming what many have long suspected — that a steady diet of
>>>> trauma and disaster triggers stress, fear and trauma in those
>>>> consuming the stories.
>>>>
>>>> What if the news media covered stories of recovery and  
>>>> resilience as
>>>> much as they cover stories about devastation and despair?
>>>> http://ivoh.org/restorativenarrative/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Steve
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