From LAURELCG at aol.com Tue Jan 1 09:16:56 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <148eb.5947dbd2.3e147408@aol.com> Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coevolutionacademy at juno.com Tue Jan 1 09:41:45 2013 From: coevolutionacademy at juno.com (coevolutionacademy at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:41:45 GMT Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <20130101.124145.13595.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always),Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes:John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KarenBueno at aol.com Tue Jan 1 10:15:55 2013 From: KarenBueno at aol.com (KarenBueno at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:15:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: Someone refresh my memory of how Bultmann uses the term power in talking about God. Karen Bueno In a message dated 1/1/2013 10:42:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, coevolutionacademy at juno.com writes: Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ _Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... _ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _ConsumerLifestyles.net_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llc860 at triad.rr.com Tue Jan 1 10:32:11 2013 From: llc860 at triad.rr.com (Lynda Cock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Message-ID: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Tue Jan 1 11:47:36 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:47:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB66FFB9C75A3-8C8-75478@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Ellie Stock -----Original Message----- From: Sarah H. Buss To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:04 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Sarah Buss Date: December 31, 2012, 1:58:12 PM CST To: oe at list.wedgeblade.net Cc: Sarah Buss Subject: quick thought on compassion _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:02:43 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:02:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] The light ... Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. May the LIGHT of the new year bring brightness and warmth as we care for the planet and each other within the earth community. The light has always returned following the darkness, it is indeed happening once again.. With love, Nancy [image: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME] *PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME* 22K Download -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:07:44 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:07:44 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. With love, Nancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From koshin at centurytel.net Wed Jan 2 03:45:36 2013 From: koshin at centurytel.net (Bob Hanson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting In-Reply-To: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> References: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Message-ID: <006301cde8de$aef3cf10$0cdb6d30$@centurytel.net> Thanks to both of you and a blessing along the way as you journey through another year. As to the poems, any time now in a word file and a three to five line bio for each. Still not sure about what my actions should be with our young man out in CO. Any updates. It look now like I will be in Boulder for two weeks, at least one this summer. It is still a bit up in the air. Let me know. Have a wonderful time friends. peace, ko shin, Bob Hanson N8311 County Road N, Neshkoro, WI 54960 Emily Dick-in-son wrote, "If I feel phys-i-cally as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry." Who says my poems are poems? My poems are not poems at all! Only when you understand that my poems are not poems can we begin to talk about poems.. Ryokan, Japanese poet Author/Complier of The Inner Passage, a book of Poetry & Photo's by Ko shin and Friends, Can be ordered from the ko shin, Amazon.com and purchsed at Woodland Pattern in Milwaukee, WI http://2012koshindharambumontheroadagain.blogspot.com/ Ko shin's Blogs: http://chasingwindmillswhynot.blogspot.com/ Face Book: Bob koshin Hanson Tweeter: 1940oldman 920 293 8856 Home 414 234 0954 Cell skype 920 240 4325 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:32 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'; 'Colleague Dialogue' Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Pris at TeamTechPress.com Wed Jan 2 09:07:33 2013 From: Pris at TeamTechPress.com (Priscilla Wilson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468FF2DD-081F-47AB-8808-ADB3741DB53C@TeamTechPress.com> Nancy, Thank you for your reflections?and the poem. As usual you give us word pictures so we can see you and your life. The new communities next to Songaia sound exciting. Son, Ben has redone my web site which triggered me to go back to check out all the posts I had put there. Some time ago I had posted a letter you sent about our wonderful visit in Oregon. I hope you don't mind, butI slightly changed it from the "I" of you writing it to sound more like a "we" report of us all. (Not sure that sentence makes sense?but?} The web site is: www.teamtechpress.com He has revamped the site so that I don't have to bother him with making changes, but I can now do that. I've been a glorious week in MN with Ben and family. I fly back home this afternoon and return to more normal (?) life. The book that Kaze and I are writing has had its first run with an editor. Now Kaze is coming to KC mid-Jan to continue on the next phase of the book. We should reach the publishing phase during 2013?that is the plan anyway. Love, Priscilla On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Nancy Lanphear wrote: > Dear Ones, > > Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. > > It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com > > Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. > > Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. > > I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. > > With love, > > Nancy _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net Priscilla Wilson TeamTech Press 913-432-2107 Pris at TeamTechPress.com www.TeamTechPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 3 09:39:12 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] =?utf-8?q?1/03/13=2C_Spong=3A_The_Birth_of_Jesus=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Part_VI=2E_Rahab_the_Prostitute=3A_The_Second_Woman_in_Matthew?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Genealogy?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB7F05FECE9BF-EB0-37F6@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VI. Rahab the Prostitute: The Second Woman in Matthew?s Genealogy The second woman mentioned in the genealogy of Matthew comes out of a story told in the book of Joshua. One can read the details in chapters two and six of that book. There are two things that are noteworthy about this woman. First, she is not a Jew, rather she is a citizen of Jericho and thus presumably a Canaanite, i.e. a Gentile. Second, she is introduced and described in a single word, ?harlot,? that is, Rahab was a prostitute, she sold sex for gain. Rahab had clearly entered the folk lore of both Judaism and Christianity for there are references to her in the Hebrew Scriptures in the book of Job: 9:13 and 26:12, in the Psalms: 87:4 and 89:10 and in the book of Isaiah 30:7 and 51:9. In addition to this reference in Matthew?s genealogy, she is also referred to in the Christian Scriptures in two places, Hebrews 11:3 and James 2:35. It is difficult to establish any dependency between Matthew and these other New Testament references, so we have to assume that the story of Rahab must have been a popular one in both Judaism and in early Christianity. In this column today, I want to recount the narrative of Rahab as it appears in the book of Joshua. The context is this: Moses has died in the wilderness of Moab and has been buried by God acting alone in a mysterious and unknown grave, or that is at least the story we receive in the last chapter of Deuteronomy (34). Joshua, Moses? number one military captain, has assumed the position of the leader of these wandering, nomadic people. As if to validate Joshua with an aura of Moses, a crossing of a body of water in Red Sea fashion has been promised to Joshua at the Jordan River. Beyond that river lay the first military prize for the invading Hebrews, the fortified and walled city of Jericho. While the people were encamped west of the Jordan preparing for that miraculous crossing, Joshua sent two men to spy on Jericho. These spies are unnamed, but they presumably managed to cross the river in daylight and enter the city, the gates of which were not closed until nightfall. They immediately went, as if by some pre-arranged plan, to the house of Rahab the prostitute. Perhaps there was some kind of prior relationship. Perhaps they sought out this house, the only local brothel, for their own entertainment. Perhaps it made strategic sense. Rahab?s house was conveniently located, built as it was into the wall that encircled the city. Certainly a brothel might have been chosen simply to serve to give the spies cover. We will never know. There is certainly the probability that this location and the service Rahab offered were well known to citizens and strangers alike. It was certainly in the ?public domain.? Reality says that for a stranger to enter the city and go straight to the house of Rahab would arouse little suspicion. Whatever the reason or reasons, it was to Rahab?s house that Joshua?s spies went and there, the text says, ?they lodged.? It seems that they remained there for several days. In time, their presence became known. It would certainly arouse suspicion if regular customers were rebuffed because of the presence of these strangers, and the public utterances of miffed regular customers would surely start rumors flying. In any event, their presence quickly came to the attention of the authorities in Jericho, including the king. Almost immediately they were defined as spies who had illegally entered the land. So the king, apparently knowing where they were, sent a deputation of soldiers to the house of Rahab with orders for the spies to come forth, presumably to be executed, for that was the normal fate of spies. Rahab, however, turns out to be more loyal to the spies than she is to her city, so when she gets wind of the danger, she not only hides the spies, but she lies to the king?s messengers about their continued presence. She did not deny that they had been there, since that seemed to have been a well-established fact. She admitted that they had visited, but that she had no idea where they were from or what their business was in Jericho. They have now gone, she said, telling the authorities that the two men had departed before the gates of the city had been closed when darkness fell. What might have been her motives? Perhaps she was just protecting her customers. Perhaps she had already developed a relationship with one of the spies that altered her priorities. Whatever the reason, Rahab urged the king?s representatives to pursue these spies rapidly for their departure from city, she said, had been recent and they could surely be overtaken. All the while, according to this narrative, Rahab has taken these men to the roof of her house and has hidden them under stalks of flax that were ?laid in order? on her roof. The king?s men took Rahab at her word and pursued what they thought were the escaping spies to the Jordan River and across it into the surrounding countryside. When the pursuers had left the city, the gates were closed for the night. No one could now leave and the pursuers could not return until the dawn when the gates were reopened. Rahab then goes to the roof to uncover her hidden guests. She speaks to them as one who knows they are destined to conquer Jericho. She tells them that fear of the invading Hebrews had fallen upon her fellow citizens and has caused their courage to melt away. She tells them that the people have heard of the miracle at the Red Sea and of their conquest of the Amorites in the wilderness and that the citizens of Jericho feel themselves doomed. Then she extracts an oath from the two spies. As I have protected you and dealt kindly with you, she said, I am prepared to continue to serve you by helping you escape. You must first, however, give me a sign that when your people conquer Jericho, you will repay my kindness by sparing my family from death. That means, she says, not just my life but those of my father, my mother, my brothers and sisters, their spouses and children. The spies agreed. ?Our lives for your life and those of your extended family? was the deal and it seemed to them a fair bargain. So it was agreed. A sign was established. Rahab was to hang a scarlet cord in the window of her house in that protective wall. This cord would be seen by all who passed by. The spies swore that all who were gathered in this house with the scarlet cord would be spared. Then Rahab made a rope and lowered each of the spies in a basket to the ground outside the wall and thus to safety. She instructed them to go to the hills through which their pursuers had already swept and hide there for three days until their pursuers had returned to the city. Their escape was successful and, after three days in the woods, they returned to Joshua with their report. The people of Jericho are faint hearted, the spies said, they know the Lord has given Jericho and its people into our hands. Rahab then disappears from the drama until the conquest of Jericho occurs in chapter six. In the meantime, the swollen, flooded waters of the Jordan have been split, in Red Sea-like fashion, and the army of the Hebrews has crossed that river bed on dry land. Then they set up siege positions outside the walls of the city of Jericho. For six days, the army would walk around those walls following the Ark of the Lord, attended by priests blowing constantly on their trumpets, which in fact were shofars or the horns of a ram. On the seventh day, the Hebrew army walked around the city walls seven times with the ram?s horns being blown constantly. When the seventh journey around the walls was complete, the trumpets blew a long and sustained blast and then the people shouted with loud shouts and, we are told, the walls around Jericho fell to the ground. Perhaps the sound vibrations from the shofars and the shouting people were more than their structures could tolerate. Perhaps the miraculous aspects of this story were enhanced with its telling as the years rolled by. This narrative, as a matter of fact, was not written until some 300 years after this event was supposed to have taken place. The important thing for our purpose is to note that this book says that Joshua and his army destroyed Jericho, putting everyone to the edge of the sword ? all men, all women, all old people, all young people and all the animals in an act of genocidal fury. True to their word, however, they spared all those who gathered in the house of Rahab. Joshua gave specific orders, ?Search out the harlot?s house and bring out of it the woman and all who belong to her as we promised.? The book of Joshua concludes with the story of Rahab by saying that Rahab the harlot was saved and all her household ?and she dwelt in Israel until this day.? Matthew from some source declared that she married a man named Salmon. Was he one of the two spies? Once again, we will never know, but Matthew asserts that Salmon and Rahab had a baby boy whose name was Boaz and that the line from Salmon went through Boaz to Obed to Jesse to David, who became the King of the Hebrew nation, and that this line would lead directly to Jesus of Nazareth, who was of the house of David.. So this is the second woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus. The first was guilty of an incestuous relationship with her father-in-law, the second was a prostitute. Matthew is introducing the story of Jesus? birth. He is establishing the Jewish roots of Jesus as well as his royal roots. He is also stating in a loud and provocative way that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth traveled through incest and harlotry. Why would he introduce the virgin birth this way? What is his agenda? What is his purpose? The story moves on and so does Matthew?s genealogy. When this column resumes, we will introduce the third of the ?shady ladies? in Matthew?s genealogy. She is a seductress. So stay tuned. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Bill Echols via the Internet, writes: Question: In talking to a friend, I stated my opinion that ?in future years, I believe Bishop Spong will be looked upon as one of the greatest theologians of our time.? I was wondering, do you consider yourself a theologian? Why or why not? Also, who are some of the past and current theologians you would recommend for study? Thank you for living your faith so beautifully and courageously. You have certainly been an inspiration in my life. Answer: Dear Bill, I think it is fair to say that only my mother would agree with your assessment of my place in history, so for now I am happy to have two votes. Thank you for your confidence. I consider myself a theologically and biblically-trained communicator. I study daily. I read the great theologians and the great biblical scholars constantly so that I can communicate their thoughts to other people. I certainly do not list myself among them. The mountain top theologians of the Christian tradition would surely include Paul, Origen, Augustine, Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther and John Calvin. I would also add to that list some more modern thinkers like Soren Kierkegaard, Friederick Schleiermacher, Paul Tillich, Hans Kung and Edward Schillebeeckx . Sometimes the best way to study these giants is to read those who can communicate their insights in a language that people can understand. That is where I come in and I am certainly not unusual or special. People like Marcus Borg, John Crossan, Martin Marty, James Cone, Karen Armstrong, Elaine Pagels and James Carroll are just a few of the communicating giants in our day. Than you for your letter and for your comments. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Happy New Year to all you believers in exile! May it be a year full of light and love. Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer > illiterate.**** > > ** ** > > *Del* > > ** ** > > Del Hunter Morrill**** > > 3217 North Mason Avenue**** > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419**** > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757**** > > *delhmor at wamail.net* > > *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com*** > > * * > > *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph > Campbell)* > > * * > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:10:21 2013 From: liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com (Lynn Brailsford) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:10:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> Message-ID: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Try clicking 'unread mail'. Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 18:40:31 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:40:31 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A752F50-48A5-473C-986C-27BF0E4256BB@optusnet.com.au> Dar Lynn, Thanks very much for this clue ..'! Del, it will be clear to you that many of us -though we could not help you ourselves, are also learning some new tips ! ( now I know about ' unread mail..' ) May 2013 bring unquenchable hope in all our lives, and good health, with peace. Isobel Bishop, in Australia, where it is a raging bush fire season with extreme temperatures; in a number of parts of the continent again On 06/01/2013, at 1:10 PM, Lynn Brailsford wrote: > Try clicking ?unread mail?. > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe- > bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have > 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come > into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to > ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 > once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. > Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to > bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate > any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph > Campbell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Sat Jan 5 19:49:17 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:49:17 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130105194917.97830361@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish Kenneth Boulding could have been part of the conversation. > http://www.dw.de/program/quadriga/s-7296-9798 Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel at yahoo.com Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of others, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods: Feb 12-13, 2013, May 21-22, 2013, Sep 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday (1-4 pm) of the month Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. From delhmor at wamail.net Mon Jan 7 12:54:10 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Sunny From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 5:36 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I have checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the side without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Del Morril" To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I > have > checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the > side > without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. > > > > PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing > of e-mails I wish to keep) > > MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) > > CALENDAR > > CONTACTS > > TASKS > > NOTES > > > > Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not > an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. > > As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I > plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. > > I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope > those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails > in > junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the > archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. > Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the > "search" folders toward the bottom. MM > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down > the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, > Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to > find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook > without success. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 > e-mails > that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in > box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has > never > done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever > else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can > tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly > appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) > 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6015 - Release Date: 01/07/13 From marilyncrocker at juno.com Mon Jan 7 18:00:02 2013 From: marilyncrocker at juno.com (Marilyn Crocker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Message-ID: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my Inbox - top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:03:54 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Message-ID: <8443890159658433553@unknownmsgid> Del, Just get a Mac, we never have ANY problems. Jack Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Marilyn Crocker wrote: Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my *Inbox* ? top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Del Morril *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community' *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find ?Unread Mail? ? I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * ------------------------------ *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Doris Hahn *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM *To:* Order Ecumenical Community *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Mon Jan 7 19:23:15 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:23:15 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130107192315.9783919F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Tue Jan 8 15:40:49 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:40:49 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del Message-ID: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wsalmon at cox.net Tue Jan 8 16:52:27 2013 From: wsalmon at cox.net (William Salmon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:52:27 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> Message-ID: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon ----- Original Message ----- From: Del Morril To: Order Ecumenical Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6016 - Release Date: 01/07/13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 17:32:45 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (Randy Williams) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:32:45 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del In-Reply-To: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. Randy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "William Salmon" wrote: > Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . > . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. > I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. > At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! > As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. > In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. > If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. > Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? > First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. > Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. > Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. > Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. > Inner Peace, > Bill Salmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del Morril > To: Order Ecumenical > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM > Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del > > The news is rotting my brain!! > > January 8, 2013 > > Musings by Del > > A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying ?bang?. A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year ?olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre ? six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. > > We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I?m concerned, you?ll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called ?structure is the key to change!? And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: > > 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. > 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? > 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. > > Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don?t we? This country is so driven by ?individual rights? and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don?t have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. > > Those whose pockets wouldn?t be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They?ll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn?t do anything to children?s brains and ideas. They?ll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. > > We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the ?done-to? victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else?s taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! > > We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. > > It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths ? above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don?t have such dictators ? we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let?s start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? 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URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:26:58 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del In-Reply-To: <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > From walters at alaweb.com Tue Jan 8 19:06:18 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:06:18 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del Message-ID: <20130108190618.97821EAE@resin09.mta.everyone.net> We may not be able to outlaw guns, but we could outlaw the magazines that are used in assault guns. We could also urge the adoption of laws concerning the sale of ammunition: the size and types of ammunition, how much can be purchased in certaind time frame, and limits who can not purchase. Neither of thesae would be in conflict with the 2nd amendment. -David Walters --- jackcgilles at gmail.com wrote: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net From geowanda at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 08:52:22 2013 From: geowanda at earthlink.net (George Holcombe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:03:43 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> George, ? A?point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently?determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process?them,?rather than for?the value they add to standard of living and quality of?life.? I dare say if water in your area, or ours,?were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close.? Maybe one onehundredth. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 09:06:17 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:06:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 _geowanda at earthlink.net_ (mailto:geowanda at earthlink.net) Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews = _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:13:54 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del In-Reply-To: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> References: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357751634.64258.YahooMailNeo@web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jann, ? In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening.? It's still raining slowly and soaking in,?and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning.? This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter.? So?little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it?could be the new normal.? I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: "LAURELCG at aol.com" To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? > > >Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? > > >In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > >George Holcombe >14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >Austin, TX 78728 >Mobile 512/252-2756 >geowanda at earthlink.net > > >Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > >= > >_______________________________________________ >OE mailing list >OE at lists.wedgeblade.net >http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 09:55:32 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:55:32 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201cdee92$8532b060$8f981120$@comcast.net> Right ? 59% of the purified water in the Cherry Creek Water District (where we get our drinking water in Centennial, Colorado) is used to water lawns. Time for many people to change their practices, me included. Best, Sherwood George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 10:44:13 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Great Teachings for climate change:Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow's newsletter Message-ID: <3fb8.f5150fc.3e1f147d@aol.com> Colleagues, these links lead to fabulous resources, imho. Jann Dear Friends and Fellow Evolutionaries, Greetings in the New Year! Three things this month: 1. What's New on The Great Story website: _http://thegreatstory.org/new.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/new.html) (Parents: we highly recommend the "_Elemental Birthdays_ (http://solstice-and-equinox.com/elementalbirthdays.html) " resource!) 2. Our awakening to the moral urgency of climate change, as intergenerational injustice / intergenerational evil: Best short videos and most helpful resources on the subject: _http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html) Direct link to our "personal awakening" video on YouTube: _http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI_ (http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI) My HuffPost blog post: _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html) 3. My dear friend and mentor David Gershon, co-founder of Empowerment Institute, is one of the world's foremost authorities on behavior-change, community empowerment, and large-system transformation. I know this from personal experience, as we worked closely together in the mid-to-late 1990s. David's work has addressed a wide diversity of issues: * low carbon lifestyles * livable neighborhoods * sustainable communities * organizational talent development * corporate social engagement * cultural transformation David is offering a free teleseminar this Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 2pm EST / 11am PST: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) This hour-long teleseminar is appropriate for anyone wishing to make change happen. David presents strategies and tools for shifting habits, empowering communities, and transforming large systems. Drawing on his highly acclaimed book Social Change 2.0, he describes how each of us can step up our ability to make a difference in the world. David also introduces his "Masterclass in Transformative Social Change" that starts on January 27th. (Learn more about that _here_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARC e1D9AyR_Bm1r__uf0cE7Z_wtplpG-KvjT61raV-PyKCgJo3z1NZWNNlAtlQesuQFPOheFpFyxrON ZXI-bopNZMQ==) .) Connie and I will both be on the teleseminar call and will also be enrolling in David's masterclass. _Download a free PDF_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARCe1D9AyR_Bm1rQWQjYdCIVgUmz-1C4OIacP ozK5YAX5OaYQXHZX55AbWyEs_1VgaQbUl_MxF8cAEhxEfO6j7oCeFAumtqTIHT8A-SRuyDCxfFqJ aiwexg7avDDFmbGhOSy) of "Reinventing Social Change," the introduction to the book, Social Change 2.0. View a short video by David Gershon on pushing the envelope as a change agent: _http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0_ (http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0) And here's another short video of David talking about Social Change 2.0 with Deepak Chopra: _http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs_ (http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs) NOTE: As a member of Connie's and my "Evolutionary Times" email list, if you register for David's Masterclass (which is separate from the free teleseminar/introduction) you are entitled to a tuition reduction of $35. Just type "Evolutionary Times" into the partner organization box. Again, here's the link to register for the free January 13th teleseminar: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) Wishing everyone a joyful, productive, and fulfilling 2013! Natural blessings, ~ Michael and Connie _http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html) _http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm_ (http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 11:02:48 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <499c.5a0f2e1c.3e1f18d8@aol.com> My prayer answered! Water has been fought over in California forever. Jann In a message dated 1/9/2013 9:14:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: Jann, In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening. It's still raining slowly and soaking in, and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning. This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter. So little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it could be the new normal. I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had a revelation that neither is a problem - I'm just "passionately indignant!" _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of LAURELCG at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Wed Jan 9 13:07:59 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: > George, > > A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. > > Randy > > "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley > > From: George Holcombe > To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del > > Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. > > Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. > > In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > geowanda at earthlink.net > > Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 13:51:45 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> Message-ID: <006b01cdeeb3$850534c0$8f0f9e40$@comcast.net> Sounds like a great future Supreme Court case (among many related others!). From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:08 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 10 08:13:00 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/10/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFBD647EBBFDCC-2224-19FE@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress The third woman mentioned in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus is also unique in a number of ways. Her name is Ruth and she, like Rahab, is a foreigner. Rahab was a Canaanite citizen of Jericho. Ruth was a Moabite, and the widow of a Jewish man named Mahlon. Her story is found in the tiny book that bears her name that is nestled in the Hebrew Scriptures between Judges and I Samuel. It is a dramatic tale involving some unfamiliar Jewish practices that are strange to us today, but that made sense in terms of the Jewish values of that day, rooted as they were in both tribal and patriarchal assumptions. Listen first to the story. It was around the year 1100 BCE when a time of famine produced a down turn in the Hebrew economy. Elimelech, a citizen of Bethlehem, his wife Naomi and their two sons, Mahlon and Chilion, moved to the land of Moab in search of work, food and survival. Soon thereafter, Elimelech died leaving Naomi with her two sons, strangers and aliens in a foreign land. The two sons then assumed the care of their mother and settled into their life in Moab, living there for about ten years, during which time they even took Moabite women to be their wives. Mahlon married Ruth and Chilion married Orpah. Then tragedy struck once again when both Mahlon and Chilion died, leaving the remaining members a very vulnerable family of three widows, women who had no male support and no male protection. This patriarchal society had not developed any way of enabling lone women to care for themselves outside the protective structure provided by a father, a husband or a son. ?An independent woman? was an unimaginable category. Hebrew law, therefore, required that women who are alone be cared for by the nearest male kinsman in the family. Normally this meant that the next oldest brother in the family must take the widow of his deceased brother as his wife. In the case of Naomi, Orpah and Ruth, however, there were no younger brothers and, with Naomi being of post-menopausal age, there was no chance of ever producing any. Nothing was more fragile or tragic in this society than a woman who had no father, no husband and no son. She thus fell out of the social safety net, which that society had built to care for the vulnerable. The next level of support was to identify the male, who was simply the closest of kin and to turn all of her assets over to him. This included his taking the widowed woman to be his wife, or at least a member of his harem, for which he had responsibility and for which he assumed sexual privileges with the stated hope of raising up children to the deceased male. As long as this fragile trio of women lived in the land of Moab, there was no male closest of kin. Naomi, facing this reality, called her two daughters-in-law to her and told them that she was moving back to the land of the Jews, presumably to Bethlehem. She instructed the young widows to do the only thing left open to them. She told them to return to their families and to the protection of their fathers. That was a demeaning act as these widows would from then on be considered ?damaged goods.? They would be unable to contract another ?proper? marriage. Perhaps some men could be found to take them, but prospects were bleak; not as bleak, however, as what they faced as a family of three vulnerable women living alone. Orpah accepted that option and returned to her family, disappearing from this story forever. Ruth, however, declined and informed Naomi that she would go with her back to the land of the Jews, that she did not want to leave her mother-in-law alone and that together they would face the hardship that both knew awaited them. In one of the most beautiful passages in this book, Ruth says words that have been set to music today and we know them as ?The Song of Ruth,? ?Entreat me not to leave you or to return from following you; for where you go, I will go; where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God, where you die, I will die and there will I be buried.? (Ruth 1:16-17) This song of Ruth is frequently sung at weddings as the bride and groom stare deeply into each other?s eyes.. I wonder how many couples would choose this music if they knew that originally it was Ruth?s song sung to her mother-in-law! The two single women then returned to Bethlehem and began their struggle for survival. It was the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Naomi plotted her strategy. She was aware that her husband, Elimelech, had a kinsman named Boaz, who owned much land in the Bethlehem area. She thus settled into a humble dwelling near the fields of her husband?s distant relative. Jewish law also required that the reapers should not seek to harvest every grain of barley, but that some should be left in the field to be gleaned by the poor. Each day Ruth went into these fields to gather the grain the reapers had missed. She brought it home, ground it and baked it into a barley cake sufficient to keep Naomi and herself from starving. Her faithful caring for Naomi was noticed. Boaz inquired of her identity and learned that she was Naomi?s Moabite daughter-in-law, that she had asked permission to glean in the field behind the reapers and that she had gathered the scanty remains from sunup to sundown without resting. Inspired by this example, Boaz spoke to Ruth, telling her not to gather grain in any other fields and gave her access to water drawn by the young men for the workers in the field. He ordered the young men not to molest her. Ruth thanked Boaz for his kindness, inquiring as to why he was so gracious to a foreigner. Boaz replied that her faithfulness in the care of Naomi had inspired him and revealed that he had been told of the death of Ruth?s husband and of her willingness to leave her own people in order to care for Naomi. Boaz then instructed the reapers to leave some of the sheaves that they had gathered for her to glean. When Ruth told Naomi about the kindness of the man who owned the fields, Naomi was pleased that the trap she was setting was about to be sprung. She waited until the harvest season was over before she put her plan into operation. Naomi shared with Ruth that Boaz was a distant relative of Elimelech, her father-in-law, and thus of Mahlon, Ruth?s husband. He thus had a social responsibility to care for her. When the reaping was over, Boaz and his workers would celebrate at the threshing floor and Ruth would attend that celebration. She prepared carefully, she bathed, she anointed herself with perfume, she put on her best dress and off she went. Naomi instructed her that she was not to make herself known until the man had finished eating and drinking. The text says until ?his heart was merry.? The wine flowed freely that evening and by midnight Boaz, now well drunk, lay down on the floor and went to sleep. Ruth came over to him, placed a pillow under his head and covered him with a blanket. Then the text says she ?uncovered his feet,? and lay down at his feet. In the scriptures the word ?feet? was a euphemism for the male genitals. The fact is that Ruth undressed him and climbed under the blanket with him. This was an overt act of seduction. When Boaz awakened at the dawn?s first shaft of light, he found this woman under the blanket with him. He had no idea who she was or what he might have done in his drunken stupor, and so he spoke to her. ?Who are you?? He asked. She replied: I am Ruth, you are my next of kin. Marry me!? Boaz pretended to be flattered that she had not gone after a younger man, but he was not quite ready to accept this new responsibility. There was one other, he said, who was a closer kinsman to her husband than he. He would have to speak to him first. It seems this other man had the right of first refusal. Boaz went to meet with him, telling Ruth not to let it be known ?that a woman came to the threshing floor.? He then gave Ruth ?six measures of barley,? perhaps it was payment for her ?night?s work? and he went off to the city. Ruth reported back to Naomi with this grain and Naomi rejoiced. Her plan had clearly worked. Boaz, gathering ten men of the city to serve as witnesses, met with this nearest kinsman and the negotiations proceeded. Boaz informed this man that Ruth, Mahlon?s widow, has returned from Moab and that she has a parcel of land that belonged to Mahlon?s father, our kinsman, Elimelech. You, as the nearest of kin, have first refusal. Will you redeem this land? If not, I am next in line. The nearest of kin agreed to redeem it. Then Boaz said that is fine, but you need to know the day you take over this field, you are also agreeing to care for Naomi, Elimelech?s widow, and to take Mahlon?s widow, Ruth, to be your wife and to raise up children to her deceased husband. That was a sticky wicket. He would then have to include any children he might have with Ruth among those who would inherit his estate. So he declined. ?I cannot redeem it,? he said, ?Lest I impair my own children?s inheritance.? So, in the presence of the elders, he renounced his claim. The decision was affirmed in the traditional way of exchanging a sandal. Boaz then was authorized to buy the parcel, to become heir of all that belonged to Elimelech, Mahlon and Chilion. He would care for Naomi and Ruth would become his wife so that the name of Mahlon would not be cut off in the land. The elders saluted Boaz and said, ?May your house be like the house of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah.? thus linking these two stories. Boaz and Ruth had a son whose name was Obed. When Obed reached maturity, he had a son named Jesse. Jesse in turn grew up and had a son named David, who became the great king of the Hebrew nation. Ruth was thus the great grandmother of King David. Matthew incorporated Ruth into the genealogy of Jesus that served as his prologue to the introduction of the first account of Jesus? miraculous birth, In that genealogy, Matthew is saying the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar, the harlotry of Rahab and the seduction of Ruth. It also proclaimed that Moabite blood flowed in the veins of the Jewish King David, thus countering all of the claims of racial purity made for the Royal House of David. One more woman will appear in Matthew?s genealogy. We will turn to her story when this series continues, but surely by now we should be asking what Matthew?s purpose is; what is his agenda that he has chosen to introduce the Virgin Birth story in this way? ~JSS Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Jan Weston from Morrow, Ohio, writes: Question: I know that you are invited to Unity Village, Lee's Summit, Missouri, on occasions. I think I have read a comment from you saying that Unity was a positive resource for the future understanding of faith. My wife and I have regularly attended a Unity congregation until recently. I had searched to see if you had written anything in regards to interpreting scripture metaphysically and could not find any articles. I would like to know in more detail your feelings of the strengths and weaknesses as you see it in Unity thought. Also, any suggestions for a resource other than the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary and Charles Fillmore's The Revealing Word: A Dictionary of Metaphysical Terms. I look forward every Thursday to receiving your articles. Answer: Dear Jan, Thank you for your letter. I have had the pleasure of being at Lee?s Summit on several occasions and have spoken in perhaps as many as 200 Unity Churches across the nation. I find the Unity Movement exciting and open. It is not, however, their metaphysical interpretation of the scriptures that impresses me so much as it is their insistence on seeing religion as an asset to wholeness. They simply are not into sin, original or otherwise. The traditional Christian message, which is rooted in the theology of Augustine in the Fourth century and expanded by Anselm in the twelfth century, is based on the assumption that human life began as perfection, only to fall into sin and, therefore, it needed to be rescued, saved or redeemed. So Jesus is presented as savior, redeemer or rescuer. By defining Jesus in this way, we also inevitably define human life as fallen or lost. I think that is an incorrect description of the origins of human life and any theological system based on that primary assumption will inevitably contribute to the destruction not the enhancement of human life. We human beings are not fallen sinners so much as we are creatures evolving toward some future destiny. We have never been perfect, we have never fallen and we do not need to be saved. When it comes to interpreting the Bible, a metaphysical approach was adopted by the founders of Unity because that gave them a way out of the necessity for reading the Bible literally and at that time very little else was then available to them at that time to accomplish this task. The Bible was never meant to be read literally, but that was nonetheless the pattern that the church applied to the Bible over the centuries. If we shatter the hold literalism has on scripture, we have many options open to us for reading the Bible non-literally. Metaphysically is one of them and that was the method chosen by Unity. I see it as one among many ways to approach the scriptures. My own study, however, has led me to a rather different approach. I seek to go to the origins of the text, examine the historical circumstances, which produced that material in the first place and then try to discover the experiences that lie behind the biblical explanations. It is that experience which makes contact with my human experience today. For example, all four of the gospels reflect the Jewish-Roman War from 66-73 CE, during which the city of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE. The gospels all assume this event and their message is even shaped by it, even though they each purport to write about a life that was crucified in 30 CE, two to three generations before Jerusalem?s fall. In a similar way, much of the Old Testament reflects the division of the Hebrew nation into two competitive states, Judah and Israel, which occurred around the year 929 BCE, yet that fact is written into the story of the patriarchs who lived some 700 to 900 years before this split took place. The point of this is to force us to face the fact that what we have called ?the word of god? is a quite human book and a very subjective one. That is the kind of wrestling with the text that opens to me the doors through which I feel compelled to walk in the confidence that this approach will yield the meaning I seek. A metaphysical reading of our sacred texts will also deliver us from literalism, but for me it does not go as deeply as I feel I must go in search of truth. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! 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Could you please repost it or forward it to me directly at Jim Wheeler jimandjo at sbcglobal.net. I like to add it to my files on Spong's NT background work. Grace and peace, Jim Wheeler On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ellie Stock wrote: > > > > > > > Homepage > My Profile > Essay Archive > Message Boards > Calendar > The Birth of Jesus, Part I: Introduction > Most of the portraits of the mother of Jesus that hang in the great > museums of the world are dependent first on the biblical stories of Jesus? > birth and second on the presumed appearances of his mother at the foot of > the cross. Take those two traditions away from the New Testament and the > mother of Jesus almost totally disappears. Indeed, what remains is mostly > negative. She is portrayed in Mark (chapters 3 and 6) as thinking that > Jesus was ?beside himself,? that is ?out of his mind? and she, along with > his brothers, moves to ?put him away.? He had, this story implies, become > an embarrassment to the family. In the Fourth Gospel, in the narrative of > the water being changed into wine, the mother of Jesus is portrayed as > inappropriately pushing Jesus to act and she receives from him the rebuke, > ?Woman, what have you to do with me, my hour has not yet come?? She is > also not present at the cross in the writings of Paul or in any of the > earlier gospels of Mark, Matthew or Luke. Only with the appearance of the > Fourth Gospel at the end of the first century did anyone think to portray > her at the foot of the cross. > These biblical facts force us to recognize that most of the ideas we have > about the mother of Jesus are late developing myths that make assumptions > the Bible does not make. The birth stories are found first in Matthew, the > dating of which is generally between 82 and 85, and second in Luke, which > is generally thought to have been written about a decade after Matthew. > This means that the New Testament?s accounts of Jesus? birth are both > products of a time 52-65 years after the life of Jesus came to its earthly > end and some 82-95 years after the time of his birth. This is not eye > witness reporting. Clearly the tradition that was built around the mother > of Jesus is both late developing and continues to grow with the passing of > years. > Once the time of the writing of the New Testament has passed, however, the > mythology that developed around the mother of Jesus apparently knew no > bounds. The virgin mother of the birth narratives became in successive > generations, first, the permanent virgin, thus redefining Jesus? siblings, > referred to by name in both Galatians and in Mark, and referred to in John > simply as ?his brothers,? as half brothers or cousins. Next she was > declared to have been a ?post-partum? virgin, which suggested that even the > birth of Jesus did not disturb her virginal hymen. In the service of that > idea the ?Fathers? of the church even searched the scriptures for biblical > texts that would support this growing conviction. They settled on two. > First, they looked at the writings of a sixth century BCE prophet named > Ezekiel, who in the first verse of the 44th chapter wrote these words: > ?This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened and no one shall enter > by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it > shall remain shut.? Without either apology or embarrassment, they leaped > on these words to claim that the ?post partum virginity? of the ?Blessed > Virgin Mary? had actually been predicted by the prophets! The second text > was found in the resurrection story according to the Fourth Gospel. In > that narrative the disciples were in hiding in an upper room with the doors > and the windows closed and locked and Jesus came and stood in their midst. > If the risen Christ could pass through walls guarded by locked doors, they > argued, it was no great stretch to imagine the infant Christ passing > through the birth canal of his mother without breaking the hymen. > Mythology always does strange things to facts and to reality. > By the 19th century, devotion to the mother of Jesus became so strong > that the Roman Catholic Church, in which this devotion was most encouraged, > declared that she, unlike all other human beings, had been ?immaculately > conceived.? That is, her mother had been miraculously cleansed of the sin > of Adam, which was believed to have infected all human beings and to have > been passed on from generation to generation. For Jesus to have been born > without sin, his mother would have to have been especially prepared for > this birth. This necessity also reflected the fact that in the early > years of the 18th century, the discovery had been made that women have an > egg cell and therefore that the woman literally contributes half of the > genetic makeup of every person who has ever been born. Prior to this the > assumption was that the woman simply provided the womb that nurtured the > male seed to maturity. Like ?Mother Earth? into which the farmer planted > the seed, the woman?s role had been seen as simply to bring to birth the > life that came from the male. When the egg cell was discovered, the > realization dawned on the leadership of the church that the mother of Jesus > was, like all women and indeed like all people, a child of Adam and so the > sinlessness of Jesus was compromised through his mother?s line. That had > not been a problem in the old view of reproduction. The Immaculate > Conception addressed that theological problem demonstrating once and for > all that even ?infallible? doctrines are forced to adjust to new > discoveries. > The final chapter in the mythological development of the mother of Jesus > came in the 20th century when Mary was declared to have been bodily > assumed into heaven. Since she was born without sin, she was not required > to go through the passage of death, since death, according to the story of > the Garden of Eden, was punishment for sin. > Carl Jung rejoiced in the Vatican?s declaration of the bodily assumption > of the mother of Jesus into heaven because in his world of symbols this > meant that the feminine had finally been lifted into God and the > patriarchal tyranny of a God conceived of in only masculine terms and > always addressed as ?Father? had finally been tempered. > In this new series of columns over the next few months, I want, first, to > get underneath the mythology of the ages and second, the development found > in the New Testament itself, so that we can look at Jesus, the mother of > Jesus and the entire Christian story with a set of eyes honed by > scholarship and tempered by the facts of history as we can demonstrate > them. I trust it will be an illuminating and worthwhile story for my > readers. > If the familiar biblical images of the mother of Jesus are late > developing, what do we have that is original and perhaps trustworthy? That > is the question we will address as this series unfolds. I begin with some > statements of fact that I will pursue in detail going into each of them > deeply before any conclusions are reached, probably some time in February. > For now, I simply file them as bullet points for your consideration. As the > Book of Common Prayer in my church states these bullet points are designed > to be ?read, marked, learned and inwardly digested.? This series will > provide the time to do just that. > > - We can now date the life of Jesus with some degree of accuracy. > Recent discoveries have made it possible to fix the life of Jesus between > the years of 4 BCE and 30 CE. We get to these dates first by the discovery > in ancient Roman records that King Herod died in 4 BCE and since the clear > New Testament tradition is that Jesus was born when Herod was the king so > we fix the date of Jesus birth at 4 BCE. Second, we learn, once more from > secular records, that Pilate was the procurator of Judea for the Roman > Empire between the years 26-36 CE. If, as each of the gospels asserts, the > crucifixion occurred under the authority of Pilate, then the crucifixion > has to happen some time between those dates. Roman records also provide us > with some other facts in the life of Pilate that have to do with the > reasons for his removal from office. Since they appear to have happened > well after the crucifixion we can squeeze those dates a bit closer to > perhaps 28-32 as the time of the crucifixion. We then split the difference > and settle on 30, with the knowledge that we might be off two years in > either direction. So for our working purposes, we set the life of Jesus > between 4 BC and 30 CE. > - We have nothing preserved in writing anywhere of anything concerning > the life of Jesus before the year 51 CE. That is a silent and dark > historical tunnel, which can be illumined only by speculation. It is > filled in only by what we call ?the oral tradition? that we have almost no > way of recreating, entering or capturing. > - Paul the first writer, whose work was destined to be included in the > New Testament, did all of his writing between the years 51 and 64. Not all > of the epistles attributed to Paul are authentically from his hand. The > ones about whom a consensus of the certainty of Pauline authorship exists > are I Thessalonians, Galatians, I and II Corinthians, Romans, Philemon and > Philippians. This means that II Thessalonians, Colossians, Ephesians, I > and II Timothy, Titus and Hebrews are not considered to be from the hand of > Paul. > - Nowhere in any part of the authentic Pauline corpus is there a > reference of any kind to the birth of Jesus, nor is there any mention of > the mother or father of Jesus. There are in Paul, however, several > references, mostly in Galatians, to James, the brother of the Lord. > > Our study of the birth of Jesus will therefore start with Paul, the > earliest writer in the New Testament. That means that we will start our > investigation in the sixth and seventh decades of the Christian era. > I hope that whets your appetite. We will continue the drama in subsequent > columns. > ~John Shelby Spong > Read the essay online here > . > > Question & Answer > Ed Branthaver, via the Internet, writes: > Question: > You have been a long time favorite author of mine ever since I read *Rescuing > the Bible from Fundamentalism > .* I have every one of your books in my personal library. I grew up in > the tradition of a liberal Church of the Brethren to which I still hold > some loyalty. However, in all my years, I was never able to understand > much of the biblical language or teachings. I was in my 60th year before I > discovered you and your writings. Let me say you are the first person who > has helped me understand what for a long time has confused me. Recently, I > came across a small book by Anthony Freeman, *God in Us*. He claims that > his use of the term God (instead of referring to a supernatural being) > refers to the sum of all values and ideals in life: Positive values like > goodness, love, knowledge, wisdom, power (used rightly), etc. and negative > values like freedom for the fear and tyranny of death, of suffering, etc. > He says, ?Do you believe in God? is like asking ?How long is a piece of > string? Just tell me what sort of God you have in mind and I will tell you > whether I believe in him (her, it.)? He labels his philosophy, Christian > Humanism, and his call to ?radical insecurity? which carries an element of > uncertainty, sure sounds a lot like your recent call to ?Think Different, > Accept Uncertainty.? Could you call the New Christianity for a New World > Christian Humanism? > Answer: > Dear Ed, > I have known and admired Anthony Freeman for a long time. He was an > Anglican priest until the Anglican hierarchy decided that his view of God > was not sufficient for him to represent that church as one of its ordained > servants. I would never have made such a judgment. No person?s view of > God is the same as God! I?m not at all sure that the view of God reflected > in those Anglican hierarchical figures is a view of God that is sufficient > for them to remain in their respective positions of authority either. They > simply validate tradition while Anthony has challenged the adequacy of that > tradition. Only time will tell which attitude is closer to the truth and > history has consistently shown that those who stand outside the traditional > theological lines are harbingers of the future majority. > Does this mean that I believe that Anthony?s view of God is complete? No, > but neither is the view of his hierarchical theological judges or my view > of God. What ecclesiastical heresy hunters never understand is no human > mind and no religious tradition can ever fully embrace or express the truth > of God in any human words or in any established doctrines and dogmas of any > church. Churches are always pretending that they possess the ultimate > truth of God. I think that is nothing short of idolatry. I believe I > experience God and I can talk about my experience. I do not believe I can > define God, nor do I believe anyone else can. > I find the phrase Christian Humanism to be an appealing one. The opposite > of humanism is not the lack of or the inability to embrace the reality of a > supernatural deity. The opposite of humanism is to be inhumane! I think > Jesus is about expanded life and expanded consciousness; about calling us > into the fullness of lour humanity. Humanism shares that goal, but would > probably not embrace my definition. Humanism is thus not my enemy, but my > ally. I think of myself as a Christian Humanist, but I want both of these > words to carry equal weight. > I hope this helps. > ~John Shelby Spong > > Announcements > > > > > > Any questions or concerns, please contact us at > support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. > > *Copyright ? 2012 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved.* > You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. > *Our mailing address is:* > ProgressiveChristianity.org > 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. > Unit 1 > Portland, OR 97214 > > Add us to your address book > > If you are a paying subscriber, you may login and cancel your account > . > > > > > > > > Sent to elliestock at aol.com ? *why did I get this?* > unsubscribe from this list| update > subscription preferences > ProgressiveChristianity.org ? 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. ? Unit 1 ? 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In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agammel at ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 12 10:33:55 2013 From: agammel at ix.netcom.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:33:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <30330990.1358015635687.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolcrowcrow at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 17:48:59 2013 From: carolcrowcrow at gmail.com (Carol Crow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:48:59 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Message from A.M. Noel Message-ID: <1A4A515E-BC35-4D1A-ACF1-D1A42272CE7A@gmail.com> Dear Friends, I am forwarding a message from our colleague A.M. Noel,currently living in upstate New York: "Dr. A.J.A. Peter, age 77, eldest brother of A.M. Noel, took his last breath yesterday, January 10, 2013 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He was a guardian of the ICA for many years." A.M.'s sister had died on A.M.'s birthday, December 17, 2012, followed on December 22 by the death of his father-in-law David VerNooy. A Memorial service for A.M.'s sister and brother will be held in Malaysia in February when the family gathers in Kuala Lumpur. David VerNooy who died in December was a clergyman participant in the Ecumenical Institute's Primal Community Experiment in the 1970's, in Connecticut and New York. Please hold A.M. and his family in your hearts at this time. In Community, Carol From sunwalker at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 12:21:02 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Message-ID: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend - he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT's education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences-several every year-as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people - not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From elliestock at aol.com Sat Jan 12 12:59:35 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:24:45 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:24:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> So sorry, Alan - I thought I had sent you one. Will get it in the mail on Monday. Grace and Peace, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:34:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, agammel at ix.netcom.com writes: Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:22:00 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:22:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b08f.330509ae.3e232df8@aol.com> I remember the stack of 11" x 14" sheets that were in the print shop with the "Order" cross printed on them in anticipation of announcing the death of a colleague, and thinking, "I wonder how far down am I in that stack?" So glad I haven't risen to the top yet! Thanks as always, for your kind words. Thank you note for the check is in process. Grace and Peace and Love, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, llc860 at triad.rr.com writes: Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock ____________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Sat Jan 12 16:33:43 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:33:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <8C20B8311A134335A8C11D73859C3FF2@DELS> Which Alan is this??? Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:34 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 17:43:38 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> References: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> Message-ID: <005e01cdf12f$7208f900$561aeb00$@comcast.net> Hi Mike ? Thanks for keeping this great service going! Greetings to Judi, Meg and your family. Cheers, Sherwood and Eunice ORDER FORM NAME: Sherwood Shankland ADDRESS: 19381 East Tufts Circle CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: Centennial, CO 80015 COUNTRY: USA EMAIL: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ X ] Booklet form [ X ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $30.00 ? sending check by snail mail The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list . http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 00:12:11 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <008401cdf165$b0b5d570$12218050$@comcast.net> Yes, he did ? and his organization was the host sponsor that year. Kim Epley and I were the co-chairs. It was our first conference after the IAF was officially incorporated. He also invited in the one who led us in the closing Indian dance circle. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ellie Stock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:00 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. 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What I do is turn on their moderation flag, so I have to approve mail posted from their email. That way if they want to post they can, but the spam won't some through. This might mean their posts are delayed since it has to wait until I get to it. Of course there is nothing I can do about mail you get that is not from the list. And this tactic will not stop your getting spam email from list members directly. If you see mail on one of the mailing lists similar to Mary's that is clearly spam, please email me directly. Posting to the list just adds more noise to the lists (as this email is, but I reluctantly concluded it was necessary). I did a bit of research and there was a recent exploit that affected Yahoo users. If this happens to your email, at a minimum change your email password. And of course, avoid clicking on links in emails, even if they are from people you know. Your mailing list servant, Tim Wegner From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 17 06:49:06 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/17/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC2D8EEB7A8A2-1834-4306C@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VIII. The Fourth Woman in Matthew?s genealogy: The Wife of Uriah The fourth and final woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus with which he opens his gospel and simultaneously introduces into the Christian tradition the story of the virgin birth, is the best known of them all. Matthew in this genealogy, however, does not ever call her by her name. He refers to her rather as "the wife of Uriah," but those who are familiar with the Jewish scriptures, as Matthew?s audience would surely have been, know from the story in the 11th chapter of II Samuel that her name is Bathsheba and you and I can read her fascinating story any time we want simply by turning to that chapter of the Bible. For those who might not be familiar with this narrative these are the details. In the spring of the year,? is the way the author of this book of Samuel begins his story. The spring of the year is the time when ?the sap rises,? romance is in the air and, this author observes, it was also the time ?when kings go forth to battle.? King David, however, did not follow the familiar script for this year so he remained in Jerusalem while dispatching his army into battle under the command of his trusted military chief, a man named Joab. Joab?s assigned task, said the author of II Samuel, was to ?ravage? King David?s enemy, the Ammonites. Not only was he to conquer the land of Ammon, but his army was to accomplish this by besieging and then destroying the capital city of Rabbah, while the king remained safe and secure in the comfort of his palace. Thus the stage was set in which this particular episode would transpire. It would be while the king was at home far from the battlefield, that he would have the adventure that would determine not just the history of the Jewish people, but also through them, the history of the world. Great changes do attach themselves sometimes to seemingly unimportant details. It was in the late afternoon one day when King David, perhaps bored, decided to stroll out onto the rooftop of the royal palace to enjoy the warm spring breezes. Because his palace was the tallest building in the city, he could look down on all the roof tops of the other homes below. On this day, to the delight of his lecherous eyes, his gaze fell upon a young woman, who was bathing herself in what she believed was the privacy of her own roof top. David was immediately smitten by this woman?s charms and, as heads of state are prone to do, he assumed that his desires should be fulfilled. So David, after inquiring as to her identity, sent a messenger to this woman?s house, bearing his personal invitation for her to come to the palace and to have a ?tryst? with the king. She came. Whether or not she had a choice, we do not know. The rights of women were very circumscribed in that patriarchal society. Bathsheba?s roof top bath was described in this text as necessary for ?purifying herself from her uncleanness,? which was a euphemistic way the Bible described the fact that she had just completed her menstrual cycle. This detail is essential to the developing plot of this story, since it demonstrated conclusively that she was not pregnant at that moment. When she arrived at the palace David greeted her and then ?took her and lay with her,? the text informs us. The act complete, this woman, having served her defined purpose, returned to her own house. In all probability David thought little more about the incident. It was probably not the first time, nor would it be the last, that this kind of activity had happened in his life. It was, however, destined to be a life-changing experience in Bathsheba?s life. In a few weeks Bathsheba, noticing some unusual, but revealing circumstances, sent a message to the palace marked ?for the king?s eyes only.? In this message she informed King David that she was pregnant with his child. David, seeking to create some room in which to maneuver, asked her how she could be sure that this baby was his child. ?You are a married woman,? he reminded her. Why do you assume that this is not your husband?s child? It was then that Bathsheba informed him that though she was indeed married, her husband, Uriah, was a professional soldier and that he had been away for months serving in the king?s army under Captain Joab in the war against the Ammonites. ?There is no way O King,? she concluded, ?that you are not the father of this baby.? David felt the noose tightening around his neck. He was not, however, ready to take responsibility for this fact and so he opted for plan B. He would dispatch a messenger to his army chief Joab, ordering him to grant a furlough to Uriah the Hittite. His cover was that he wanted to receive a first-hand report from someone in the field of battle and he had chosen Uriah for this ?signal honor.? While on this special leave, David reasoned, Uriah would stay in his home, lie with his wife and when the baby was born, they could claim that this infant had just come early. It would not be the first time in that pre-DNA world that such an explanation had been conceived of and successfully employed. So a very surprised Uriah received orders to return to Jerusalem in order to provide a personal and private update for the king on the course of the battle. Uriah, however, did not choose to return to his own house. He, rather, slept quite ostentatiously in the street at the gate of the king?s palace. David?s plans were foiled again. He had not counted on Uriah being the ultimate ?boy scout.? Uriah told the king that it would simply not be fitting for him to enjoy the pleasures of his home, his wife and his bed while all his comrades were still camping out in the fields, eating K-rations and risking their lives in the siege of Rabbah. ?I could not think of doing such a thing,? he concluded. David must have thought to himself, ?What a turkey!? Now he was forced to resort to plan C. The king next took out the royal quill and on a piece of royal parchment, he wrote out new orders to be carried to Joab, his military captain. He sent these new orders to Captain Joab via the hand of Uriah, who was returning to his duty on the battlefield. The king?s orders directed Joab to charge the gates of the city of Rabbah with a ?V? shaped flying wedge. These orders also directed Joab to place Uriah the Hittite at the point of the ?V? thus giving him the ?honor? of leading the charge. It was a position in which few survived. It was done as the king commanded and Uriah was struck down and killed immediately. Joab then sent the king a message to inform him that his problems were over and that Uriah was dead. In turn, David sent for Bathsheba and she came to his palace to be one of his wives and thus a member of his harem. Bathsheba turned out to be a wife who exercised considerable power. After the child of her adulterous liaison with the king died in infancy, Bathsheba?s second son by King David, whose name was Solomon, was destined to succeed King David at his death, though he was not close to being the first-born son and thus the presumed heir to the throne. With the assistance of a priest named Zadok, a military leader named Benaiah and a prophet named Nathan, Bathsheba maneuvered to secure the throne for her son. King Solomon in turn secured the power of the royal family that was destined to rule the people of Judah for over 400 years. That is Bathsheba?s story as found in the Bible. In his genealogy, Matthew traces the royal line from Solomon through the kings of Judah until the royal family was destroyed by the Babylonians in the period of history that is called the Exile. Then he picks up the genealogy and traces it from the Exile to a man named Joseph, The conclusion of his genealogy says ?Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus is born, who is called Christ.? Thus the genealogy with which Matthew opened his gospel and which served to introduce the story of Jesus? ?supernatural? or ?virgin? birth is brought to a conclusion. Now as we come to the end of this opening genealogy ask yourself, what was Matthew?s purpose in beginning his gospel in this way and why did he deem it necessary and appropriate to say that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth began with Abraham and traveled through the royal family, then into the exile and finally it arrives at the life on which the whole story is to focus? Finally, what is he trying to communicate when he places into the background of Jesus, four well known women in Jewish history, all of whom by the standards of that day were sexually compromised women? He is informing his readers at the very opening of his story that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar (Gen. 38), the prostitution of Rahab (Joshua 2, 6), the seduction of Ruth (Ruth 3) and the adultery of Bathsheba (II Samuel 11). That appears to be what the text of Matthew?s gospel reveals. Perhaps that accounts (at least in part) for the fact that throughout most of Christian history, the first 17 verses of Matthew?s first chapter were skipped and ignored. They were called ?the most boring verses in the Bible,? the ?who begat whoms,? and no one was encouraged to look at them or take them seriously. Perhaps this strange introduction reveals that there is far more to the story of the virgin birth than we have imagined in the past. We will continue to look at Matthew?s birth narrative in subsequent weeks. Then we will turn to Luke?s account of Jesus? birth. Studying the Bible can be quite exciting once one removes the blinders of literalism and begins to look at the texts for what they are. So stay tuned. We will move next to Matthew?s proof text found in Isaiah 7:14 and then to the wise men and their familiar gifts. It is a fascinating study. I hope that you are finding it so. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer John McKee, from Texas, writes: Question: I am a retired United Methodist minister of the Central Texas Conference of the UMC and am most interested in your writings. I have not only read, but have copied your articles and used them as a teaching guide for persons I know are interested in a more authentic understanding of Holy Scripture. A question rose in my mind as to the worship practices of the Followers of the Way whom you state remained in those early years (some eighty) as part of synagogue worship. I am aware that Paul had a meeting of the minds, so to speak, with Peter concerning the practice of circumcision of those Gentiles who wished to be part of this new movement. If so, were the Gentile members of the ?Way? welcomed into the synagogue to worship (without being circumcised)? You may have already made a comment about this, but I must not have incorporated it into my thinking. Being in my 82nd year, I am not as alert as I was in my seminary days?Lo!! With appreciation for your ministry, I am a joyous follower of your philosophy. Answer: Dear John, Thank you for your questions and for your years of service in the Methodist ministry. The issue about the early Church is complex and I have probably had to make it seem simpler than it really was. There were a variety of Christian groups in the early years of the Christian Church. Almost all of them were first associated with and shaped by the synagogue. As the movement began to grow beyond the boundaries of Judaism in the 6th decade, they began to attract Gentile attention. Paul was a key figure in this. Some of the more orthodox Jews led by James, the Lord?s brother, and by Peter, at least at the beginning, were insistent that the only way into Christianity was through Judaism and that meant circumcision, kosher laws and Sabbath Day observances. Paul was the champion of those Gentiles who were drawn to theology and liturgy, but not cultic practices. In the early years, there were people who agreed to the orthodox requirements and people who did not. This tension divided the early church rather fiercely. Much of this conflict is reflected in Paul?s letter to the Galatians, written in the early 50?s. I have just finished reading a book by Dr. James D., Tabor, who is chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte who offers a fresh, provocative and insightful perspective on the early years of the Christian movement. His book is entitled Paul and Jesus. I commend that book to you and to all my readers. The meeting of minds with Peter, to which you refer in your letter, was described in the book of Acts (chapter 15), but be warned that Acts is probably a 10th decade piece of work at the earliest, and it specifically champions Paul?s perspective. Furthermore, by the time the book of Acts was written, the battle was over and Christianity was well on its way to becoming a Gentile movement. My emphasis in the article to which you are referring is that long before the church and the synagogue split, which historians choose 88 CE as the most likely year, the Christian faith had become so deeply shaped by synagogue worship and synagogue liturgy, to say nothing of having wrapped Jesus so tightly in both the Jewish Scriptures and Jewish messianic expectation, that the only way we can discover the original meaning of the Jesus story is by recovering that Jewish background and reading the gospels with well-informed Jewish eyes. That is what I sought to do when I wrote what is still my favorite book, Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes, where this material is spelled out more fully than I can do in a question and answer format. I send you my best. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wanaki at frontenac.net Sun Jan 20 06:01:37 2013 From: wanaki at frontenac.net (Ken Fisher) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] News from Realistic Living Message-ID: <288859C4-F9AB-4E28-9E58-F305D8B12DE7@frontenac.net> Dear Colleagues, Here's the news from Realistic Living. Gene turned 81 on January 3rd, and is 'back', after overcoming 'a pause' occasioned by recent surgery. Joyce will be 79 on February 19. They founded Realistic Living in 1984, regularly publishing a journal and many books since that time. I much admire there life-time commitments to social activism and recreating Christian practice and theology for the 21st Century. Here in our little village of Sharbot Lake Ontario, Pat and I use Joyce's Ignatian-like solitary on a near daily basis, and weekly we use the format of RL's Christian Resurgence Circle - dance, study and prayer. We are planning our third trip to Bonham for June. Recently, he wrote (with the significant input of four others) The Road From Empire to Eco-Democracy. It is being well reviewed and used as a study book in a variety of contexts. He has just competed a protean work, The Enigma of Consciousness - A Philosophy of Profound Humanness and Religion. Together, these books represent a comprehensive and futuric tour of a new social vehicle and a new religious mode. For me, they provide contemporary screens for discerning where it is that the human community is having, or can have, breakthroughs in creating a new world. As well, they provide an enthralling invitation to deepen ones personal spirit practices and social engagements. The Road can be ordered from Amazon or from: Gene Marshall 3578 N. State Highway 78 Bonham TX 75418 $21 - postage free Gene Marshall Enigma can be downloaded free from http://www.RealisticLiving.org/PDF/Enigma/ His latest book is entitled The Love of History and the Future of Christianity - A Manifesto for a Post-Christendom Christianity. Every human community is 'awe-struck'. What is unique and worth forwarding into the future about Christianity? We look forward to its completion. Realistic Living's resources can be found at http://www.realisticliving.org/ Staff member Alan Richard, maintains RL's highly imaginative and spiritually informative Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Realistic-Living/199360680077780 May the spirit of love, trust and freedom enliven us all. Ken Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 23:00:01 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e201cdf7a4$ef33a990$cd9afcb0$@comcast.net> Ditto, ditto, and did I say, ditto? Whole fam burst out laughing! From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Sharry Lachman Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:37 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Too funny, Joan. Thanks for sending. Love, Sharry Sharry Lachman, MTP After Cancer Energy Healing sharrylachman at comcast.net 541-342-7887 On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Joan wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beretgriffith at charter.net Mon Jan 21 13:48:36 2013 From: beretgriffith at charter.net (Beret Griffith) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwgflowers at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:49:58 2013 From: dwgflowers at gmail.com (David Flowers) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:49:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: > Send OE mailing list submissions to > oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) > 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 > From: Mary Laura Jones > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: > < > CAA8E2rF4Gf7LA4573j+T7Fh4WGfnqX4jbohPhq1kAWDomwZtBg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > > left a note that read,***** > > > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OE mailing list > > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/88b0683f/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 > From: "Beret Griffith" > To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to > -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I > longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > > > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car > that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left > a note that read, > > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/031111b7/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 > ********************************** > -- David* There is no cup. It's a flame. 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Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 (915) 503-1014 FAX pvida at whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Flowers Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:50 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: Send OE mailing list submissions to oe at lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 From: Mary Laura Jones To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 ********************************** -- David There is no cup. It's a flame. Feed the flame. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 24 07:46:55 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:46:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/24/13, Spong: Inauguration Day 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC8612B151AB5-2244-5236@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Inauguration Day 2013 Inauguration day in America is a time of transition, the proper moment to articulate the hopes and dreams of the future. These things are more vivid if the one to be inaugurated is just beginning his or her presidency, but even when it is the beginning of a second term for a sitting president, it is still a time to take stock, to look at the issues that will confront this leader and to glimpse with anticipation what the future might mean. I suspect that is doubly so as the nation marks the second term of its first African-American president. The whole inauguration weekend was for me a solemn time of renewed convictions about the strength of our nation. I walked through this weekend in an unusual way, which I would like to share with my readers. This year?s inaugural weekend was framed between the 150th anniversary of the issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation by President Lincoln on January 1st, 1863, and the celebration of Martin Luther King?s birthday on January 21st. President Lincoln prepared this proclamation long before he issued it, but waited for the tide of the civil war to turn in the Union?s favor before making it public. The President?s proclamation and executive power needs to be carried on the wings of a strong political tide in order to be effective. The emancipation of the slaves thus depended upon the recognition that the Union forces would be victorious. Following their success in the Battle of Antietam, Mr. Lincoln decided that January 1st, 1863, was the time to make this defining proclamation official. It was thus our reality in 2013 both to note and to celebrate the fact that 150 years and 20 days later, one who bore a racial identity with the slave people, had been twice elected to head this nation. That is the stuff of human dreams. Without Martin Luther King?s work, the presidency of Barack Obama would also not have been possible. For the inauguration of this African-American president to occur on the birthday of the civil rights leader was an incredible serendipity. The weekend began for me and my wife, Christine, at a gala, a black-tie dinner at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey, held to honor and to support the university?s library. That library has, during the years of both my episcopacy and my retirement, been my place of research and study. There I have written some of my books. The administration and faculty of Drew University have welcomed me into their midst and have extended to me the use of that library in remarkable ways. The guests at this library gala were welcomed to the evening personally at the door by the President of Drew, Dr. Vivian A. Bull, and the evening began with a lecture by Dr. David S. Reynolds, the Distinguished Professor at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. His title for this event was: ?Mightier than the Sword: Uncle Tom?s Cabin and the Battle for America.? In his presentation Dr. Reynolds took his audience deeply into the work and impact of Harriet Beecher Stowe?s life-changing novel that was published in 1852. Uncle Tom?s Cabin was destined to sell more copies than any other book in the United States, except the Bible, in the entire 19th century. This book was also turned into a number of plays that were performed countless times over the last half of the 19th century and well into the 20th century. The estimates are that more people saw the play than read the book. Uncle Tom?s Cabin put a face on the cruelty of slavery that nothing else had ever done before. It galvanized the abolitionist movement and in all probability made the civil war inevitable. This book, not surprisingly, was also resisted deeply in parts of the South. Laws were passed in Southern States banning the book, forbidding its sale and distribution and even making it a crime to possess a copy. One person was actually convicted of this crime and was sentenced to ten years in prison. It was not the first time, nor would it be the last, when the guarantees of the Constitution regarding the freedom of speech and expression would be trampled beneath the power of a virulent and fearful prejudice. Racism dies hard. When Dr. Reynolds was asked if he saw anything similar to this negative response to Uncle Tom?s Cabin in the political arena of today, he pointed to the recent use of the language of ?States Rights,? including the claim to the right to nullify federal laws with which the states disagreed, such as the Affordable Care Act and the proposed requirements of a universal background check when purchasing a gun, the banning of assault rifles and their large capacity magazines. At the same time, he pointed to the blatant attempt in the last election to suppress minority votes. It appears that the emotions that led this nation into civil war are still abroad. This evening and this discussion was for us a poignant beginning to the inauguration weekend. On Sunday morning we went to our wonderful parish church, St. Peter?s, Morristown, NJ, where our worship was organized around the observance of the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. The adult class focused on the writings of II Isaiah (chapters 40-55) where the prophet portrays the messianic vocation of the Jewish people under the symbol of the one called ?the Servant? or ?the Suffering Servant.? That book portrayed the role of ?the Servant? to be that of the oppressed and powerless members of our society not trying to get even, but accepting and thus transforming and even draining the anger and hostility of the oppressors and the enslavers. The class compared the ?power? of an Adolph Hitler or a Napoleon Bonaparte, with the ?power? displayed by a Mahatma Gandhi, a Nelson Mandela or a Martin Luther King, Jr., and asked the question whose ?power? was it that ultimately changed the world? When we went to worship we found the Emancipation Proclamation printed on the front of our bulletins. We sang Harry Emerson Fosdick?s great hymn ?God of Grace and God of Glory,? which asks for the strength and courage necessary for ?the living of these days.? We also sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic, We Shall Overcome and Lift Every Voice and Sing, which describes very powerfully what slaves had to endure from their ?masters.? The Bible readings for that day included the charge given to Moses in the book of Exodus ?to go down to Egypt and to set my people free.? The choir sang Negro spirituals like Ride on, King Jesus, and we were treated to one of the most powerful sermons I have ever heard from our rector, the Reverend Janet Broderick, on the lessons learned from the non-violent teachings of Dr. King. All of those things flowed together to prepare me for inauguration day. When that ceremony began the opening prayer was delivered by Myrlie Evers, the widow of Medgar Evers, a black civil rights leader who was murdered in Mississippi in 1963. The inaugural poem was written and read by Richard Blanco, the gay son of immigrant parents. The benediction was delivered by the Rev. Dr. Luis Leon, a Cuban immigrant, who serves at St. John?s Episcopal Church, across the street from the White House. A diverse nation was on display. For those of us who had lived through those days of transition there was great joy. The climax of the inaugural ceremony was the address from our newly installed president. It focused primarily on domestic affairs, as the world faded into the background with its ten years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and even the worldwide economic collapse that greeted his first term. It was a moving speech both in content and in symbol. An African-American president began his second term by quoting Martin Luther King, Jr., by referring to ?Stonewall,? the place where the gay rights movement had begun, by emphasizing the oneness of the people who populate this land, made up, as he said, of those with different skin colors, different genders and different sexual orientations. He called our nation?s leaders not to solve the problems of the ages, but to address the issues ?of this day.? He singled out the plight of women who still suffer from vast economic disparities. His critics would later call it a ?left-wing? agenda. I call it a ?moral vision? for our nation rooted in the values of our American past. As we listened throughout the day, signs of the birth of a new political sensitivity were apparent. Senator Schumer of New York introduced his Republican co-chair of the Inaugural Committee, Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, as ?my colleague and my friend.? Former President Jimmy Carter reported on former President George H.W. Bush?s health, revealing both a recent telephone call and a longer time friendship. The wife of Republican majority leader, Eric Cantor, had served with Senator Schumer?s wife in picking and tasting the menu for the inaugural luncheon. Small signs, yes, but every long journey starts with a single, small step. When the day was over, the nation settled down to wait for action. I believe we will receive it. My reasons for optimism are these: A far more comfortable and confident president is in the White House, a Senate with an increased Democratic majority has lost its most extreme negative voices to either retirement or to resignation, the House has a decreased Republican majority led by a leader, who now shows signs of being fed up with his far right vocal minority. I expect him, not to surrender his principles, but to seek common ground for the nation?s well-being. All of them see an aroused electorate, weary of political posturing, yearning to see pragmatic action, not continued brinkmanship. Half a step forward is better than no step or even a step backward. Perhaps inauguration day harbors good things to come. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Charles Bond from Rockford, Michigan, writes: Question: I understand and support that ?you do not think of God theistically,? i.e. what could be called the God of the Old Testament. But, as I have read, the study of theology is based on accepting the fact that a transcendent reality called God truly exists, i.e. there is a God existing outside the material universe, but having an influence or some sort of presence on earth. Do you believe in this concept of a transcendent God and, if so, do the experiences of the disciples and apostles that you attribute to them being transformed into their world-conquering evangelism represent an example of God?s actions here on earth through the mind invasions that produced their seeing an image of Jesus? These concepts seem to me to be a necessary part of including in any ?New Christianity.? What do you think? Answer: Dear Charles, Thank you for your letter. It reveals, however, the constant problem we have in trying to develop a working concept of God. Does God exist? Existence is a human category, describing a human perspective. Can God be bound with that kind of vocabulary? Transcendent is another human word that I use, but it is not a word that applies to God. It applies to our experience, to a human awareness that there is something real beyond our ability to know or even to perceive. What we must do is to recognize that we human beings can in the last analysis say nothing about God; all we can describe is our human experience and in that experience, we assert that we believe that we touch ?otherness,? transcendence, and the word we have used to identify that experience is ?GOD.? Are we simply being deluded? I do not think so. Is there something real that calls us beyond the limits of the human? I believe there is. That is as far as I can go in discussing God. It is not satisfactory to those for whom God is part of their personal security system. It is, however, enough for me because whatever I experience God to be drives me deeper into the commitment to live fully, love wastefully and to be all that I can be. The disciples clearly had an experience of Jesus following his death that convinced them that death could not contain his life and that they could see a God presence in him that was beyond any human boundary. That was resurrection. When they tried to explain it, we got stories of graves that were empty and visions that inspired. The New Christianity will have to see language and theology, creeds and doctrines as pointers to truth not vessels in which truth is somehow captured. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements A Note from Progressive Christianity.org We are pleased to inform our readers that John Shelby Spong's book Re-Claiming the Bible for a Non-Religious World has been named one of the ten best religious books published in 2011, by Lee Harmon, a well-known religious blogger (The Dubious Disciple). Harmon called Bishop's Spong's book: "A thoroughly enjoyable journey through the Bible, detailing each book's origin and historical setting. Possibly Spong's best." 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Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. To send condolences, please visit: www.fostermcgarvey.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 24 13:13:55 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:13:55 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In-Reply-To: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> References: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <30B1C2E9-B079-4BCE-A604-D86D7DA932C3@optusnet.com.au> Dear OliveAnn and Jim, Thank you very much for sending on this sad information. We have send a note of condolence. Sincerely, Isobel Bishop. On 25/01/2013, at 6:49 AM, Jim & OliveAnn Slotta wrote: > In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of > Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's > mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary > and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. > > Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver > > WOODBURY, Mary > Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on > Saturday, January 19, 2013. > She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, > Ontario. > Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. > They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also > remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. > Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and > Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. > Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books > for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the > Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta > women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of > achievements. > A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 > - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. > To send condolences, please visit: > www.fostermcgarvey.com > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfwiegel at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 11:41:35 2013 From: jfwiegel at yahoo.com (James Wiegel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:41:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] A guy named Jack McCarthy died last week. A poet. Message-ID: <1359142895.82395.YahooMailClassic@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I never heard of him until today.? Listen to 2 poems? -- The Victory and When the Cholesterol Catches Up With Me. http://standupoet.net/ Jim Wiegel ". . . In this whole world i don't know a more sly, more cunning, useful virtue than sheer dizzy pluck!" The Odyssey A Modern Sequel. Nikos Kazantzakis 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401 +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel jfwiegel at yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Feb 12-13, May 14-15, Sept 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Nov 5-6, 2013 Facilitation Graphics, March 19, 2013 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday of each month 1-4 pm Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Current program began on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. 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John will acknowledge Mary's passing on the day of her memorial service (Jan. 26) on his blog. Sometimes the wording of the blog is appropriate to the passing and sometimes it is just an acknowledgement at the end of the blog. If Jim has access to the Woodberry's e-mail, perhaps you could forward the blog to them, or else let us have the address and we'll send it. What do you know about her books? Hope you folks are wintering well. We are iced in a bit today, but it isn't scheduled to last long. Winter greetings, Lynda _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jim & OliveAnn Slotta Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:49 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver WOODBURY, Mary Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on Saturday, January 19, 2013. She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, Ontario. Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. 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Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 31564 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Sun Jan 27 15:16:21 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering In-Reply-To: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> References: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6C997DA0-211D-47FE-88DB-D0296B3BA0B9@charter.net> For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: > We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. > > > > > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > > ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die." Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock ________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? 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What fun that cruise will be! Love, Dorothea From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:23 PM To: oe at wedgeblade.net; mcle at msn.com Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Marianna Bailey > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM > *To:* Order Ecumenical Community > *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering > > For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of > names and more pictures would be appreciated! > The Baileys > On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: > >> We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last >> night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the >> McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their >> old assignment in Bon Toa. >> >> >> >> >> >> George Holcombe >> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >> Austin, TX 78728 >> Mobile 512/252-2756 >> >> "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships >> that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted >> and allow them to wither and die." 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URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 31 09:28:52 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:28:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/31/13, Spong: Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCDEF9297ADA1-D20-5686B@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 He was a remarkable man, a superior lawyer and one who worked on the Manhattan Project during World War II. He had many, many friends and I was privileged to be one of them. I knew him for 35 of his 107 years. More than that, I knew him in some deeply personal settings. I walked with him as his wife Dorothy sank into a state of unknowing. It was the onset of her dementia that caused him to move with her into a setting where she could be cared for and he could be near enough to share time with her every day. The sad thing was that increasingly she was not aware of that care that was constant and deeply loving. Malcolm would go to her room each day to visit, to sit, to eat a meal with her, to play the piano and even to sing to her in the hope that something of his love and concern would be communicated. I will never forget him singing ?Annie Laurie? to his uncommunicative wife. I also knew him as an energetic and vigorously competitive tennis player. Malcolm and I played doubles as part of a tennis foursome every Friday morning for almost 20 years. Malcolm was clearly the best of our six players ? six because schedule conflicts made two regular substitutes necessary. Whoever teamed with Malcolm generally won. Malcolm is the third of those six players at whose funerals I have been privileged to speak. In effect, Malcolm forced me to retire from tennis, because when he defeated me consistently when he was over 92, I knew I had no future in this game. I knew him as a devoted member of Christ Church in Short Hills, New Jersey. He was a sidesman ? that is Christ Church, Short Hills, vocabulary for a lay reader or chalice bearer. He was also the regular narrator at their Christmas Pageant. Though active in his church, Malcolm was an uncomfortable Christian. That is, he was uncomfortable with traditional, ecclesiastical thinking and ecclesiastical language. He knew how to separate the authenticity of his own God experience from the explanation placed on that experience by the ecclesiastical institution ? explanations that were to him always both time bound and time warped. So he sat loosely to creeds, to liturgical forms and to doctrinal concerns. In this, Malcolm and I found common ground and became kindred spirits. He was also an avid reader of every book that I wrote over the course of our friendship. Many times, I seemed to articulate in my writing the religious concerns he always had. Yet he was faithful and persistent in his constant quest for truth and for insight, even for that truth and insight that are so often lost in creedal formulations. It was this intellectual and even theological interest that was the glue that bound us together over the years. When our Friday morning tennis court time was up we would sit around a table over coffee and have what was frequently a mini-theological seminar. Over the years, many topics were covered and some of those discussions would find their way into the content of my writing, but without footnotes attributing the ideas to Malcolm. When tennis became a thing of the past with both of us, we still met once or twice a year for dinner and an evening of conversation together. Those times took place primarily in the dining room of the institution in which he was living. They would begin regularly with hors d?oeuvres and drinks served in his room before we would go downstairs for dinner. As the years rolled by those meals became only an annual event. We celebrated Malcolm?s birthday together every June from the time he turned 100 until his 107th birthday this past summer when we saw him for the last time. He was bright, alert and ready to tell us about what had become an annual ritual in which he was honored at the Princeton University graduation as their oldest living alumnus. Malcolm held that title and even set a record that is longer than anyone else in Princeton?s history. He outlived every Princeton alumnus in at least the seven years following his graduation. It was at his 100th birthday dinner that my most indelible memory of Malcolm occurred. He greeted his guests, dressed in his tuxedo, wearing an imposing Abraham Lincoln type top hat on his head, and with his children and grandchild at his side. Christine and I were honored to be among the few non-family members present at this gathering. By this time, I was long retired, but I continued my book writing career and Malcolm had continued to read and to comment on my work. When I published what I presumed was to be my last book entitled, Jesus for the Non-Religious, a title that appealed to Malcolm and with which he identified, I turned my attention to a long held passion of mine to explore the meaning of the claim that we Christians make that death is not the end of our personhood. When we went to this 100th birthday dinner, I had begun what was to be some massive reading of all aspects of this vast subject. I was certainly not sure that this study would ever result in a book, but I knew I would enjoy the exploration. In the course of that 100th birthday gathering, near the end when people were preparing to leave, Malcolm turned to me and out of the richness of our past conversations said, ?Well, Jack, what are you working on now?? I responded, ?Malcolm, I am trying to find a doorway that will allow me to talk about life after death in such a way that a scientifically trained citizen of the 21st century could respond without turning off his or her brain.? I thought that Malcolm at age 100 might have some existential interest in this subject. I was not prepared for his response. He broke into a loud and a sustained laughter that left me standing with the quizzical smile of one who is slightly embarrassed. I was trying to brace myself for whatever his verbal response might be, but feeling somewhat vulnerable. When he finally ceased his laughter, he replied, ?That is the silliest thing I?ve ever heard of you trying to do.? Before I could say a word, he went on to pose what he saw as my problem. ?Who are you going to interview for this project?? he asked. ?Where are you going to do your research into this subject? Your passport may get you to China? he continued, ?but it will never get you to the place where that question can be studied.? Finally, he concluded his comments by saying: ?If this turns into a book it will be the shortest book of your career. It will have three lines: 1. Nobody knows, 2. Nobody can find out, 3. The End.? When he finally fell silent and I had a chance to pick myself up off the floor, I offered Malcolm two points in reply. First, the fact is that this subject, which might be called both ?the unknown and the unknowable,? has never stopped human speculation. The greatest libraries of the world contain countless volumes in which learned men and women have sought to explore humanity?s ultimate limit and the source of humanity?s deepest anxiety. Some of those volumes have become classics in the literature of the western world. One thinks of Dante?s The Divine Comedy, John Milton?s Paradise Lost and Paradise Regained or Paul Bunyan?s Pilgrim?s Progress, for example. More important, however, I told Malcolm, I did not in this project plan to engage in speculation into the unknown. I rather planned to approach life after death through the medium of life itself ? about which a great deal can be known. Can I go so deeply enough into the meaning of life that I can touch the limits? Can I discover the edge of humanity where it appears to enter the divine, where time ceases and eternity begins and where the barriers that surround life fade away and we discover that there is a universal consciousness in which we all participate? If I can do that, it will be through that means that I will approach the subject of life after death. Although still skeptical, Malcolm at least began to understand that I was not on a mission to affirm the pious claims of traditional religion or to defend the popular ecclesiastical definitions of God, who seemed to use life after death as a method of behavior control or even to affirm the reality of those now empty realms that we have in the past called heaven and hell. When my study did lead to a book that was published in 2009 under the title Eternal Life: A New Vision: Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism, Beyond Heaven and Hell, I took a copy of it as my gift to Malcolm when we attended his 104th birthday party and later received from him his imprimatur. Malcolm approved of that book because of who Malcolm was and how Malcolm lived. The only way I know how to approach the subject of eternity is to live fully in the present. The only way I know to discuss timelessness is to engage deeply and fully the gift of time that we now have. The only way I know how to approach the idea of divinity is to be fully human now, expanding all limits, transcending all barriers. I understand God as the Source of life empowering me to live fully; as the Source of love enabling me to love wastefully; as the Ground of Being giving me the courage to be everything I am capable of being. So it is in living fully, loving wastefully and being all that I can be that I experience the presence of God and it was, I am fully convinced, this same God experience that caused the followers of Jesus to view him as one in whom and through whom God was present. So they said of Jesus: ?God was in Christ.? What this phrase was seeking to communicate is that somehow, in someway, through some means, they saw the presence of God in the fully alive, wastefully-loving Jesus. This was the God that Malcolm also understood and this was the God with whom Malcolm lived. He worshiped this God of life, love and being by living fully, by loving wastefully and by being all that he could be. To Malcolm, God was not a being to be pleased, so much as God was a verb to be lived. He was a remarkable man. I am glad I knew him. I am confident that in his life he crossed the barrier where time enters eternity, where the human enters the divine and where the consciousness of the universe begins to include the consciousness of this incredible man. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer George Gardiner from Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada, writes: Question: You are of the persuasion that Jesus was deserted by his disciples. Do you believe that is ?literally? true? Does that mean you are ?literally? selective of the Bible as you accuse the fundamentalists of being? My feeling is this: no matter what we do or accomplish in the ?physical? realm ultimately we will make that final journey alone. Regardless of the number of people who are ?present? or have taken up ?our? cause, we face death one on one. P.S. I hold your work and world view in very high regard. Thanks very much for that and all that you have done for me and those like me. Answer: Dear George, It is not quite as you seem to imagine. I don?t treat anything in the Bible as literally true, for most of it is interpretive material not the work of eyewitnesses. This is especially true of the gospels that are written 40-70 years after the crucifixion and in Greek, a language that none of his disciples spoke. That hardly makes for a literal text. Not to be literal, however, does not mean that the substance of the text is not true. The first gospel, Mark, is quite clear that when Jesus was arrested, all of the disciples forsook him and fled (see Mark 14:50). The later gospels temper that in various ways to whitewash this apostolic abandonment. Mark even has Jesus quote Zechariah (Strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered) to justify their abandonment. One does not do that unless the abandonment was real. By the time the gospels were written, the disciples were heroes. Yet the fact of their abandonment was so deep in Christian memory that it could not be omitted, so it was explained and justified as the fulfillment of scripture. Those are the things that have convinced me that the abandonment of Jesus by the disciples is a fact of history. I hope this clarifies your question. Thanks for writing. John Shelby Spong Announcements New events added to the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar! Like this one: Title: ?Eternal Life: A New Vision ? Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism. Beyond Heaven and Hell? Apr 12-14 2013 Center for Faith Studies at Countryside Community Event: Friday-Sunday Sat. 9 a.m. Lecture (Registration 8 a.m.) 11 a.m. Lecture Sun. 9 a.m. Worship 11 a.m. Worship followed by Talk Back Session United Church of Christ 8787 Pacific Street Omaha, NE 68114 Contact: Cyndi Kugler Tel: 402 391-0350 x 121 E-mail: cyndik at countrysideucc.org Visit the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Tue Jan 1 09:16:56 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <148eb.5947dbd2.3e147408@aol.com> Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coevolutionacademy at juno.com Tue Jan 1 09:41:45 2013 From: coevolutionacademy at juno.com (coevolutionacademy at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:41:45 GMT Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <20130101.124145.13595.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always),Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes:John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KarenBueno at aol.com Tue Jan 1 10:15:55 2013 From: KarenBueno at aol.com (KarenBueno at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:15:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: Someone refresh my memory of how Bultmann uses the term power in talking about God. Karen Bueno In a message dated 1/1/2013 10:42:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, coevolutionacademy at juno.com writes: Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ _Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... _ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _ConsumerLifestyles.net_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llc860 at triad.rr.com Tue Jan 1 10:32:11 2013 From: llc860 at triad.rr.com (Lynda Cock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Message-ID: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Tue Jan 1 11:47:36 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:47:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB66FFB9C75A3-8C8-75478@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Ellie Stock -----Original Message----- From: Sarah H. Buss To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:04 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Sarah Buss Date: December 31, 2012, 1:58:12 PM CST To: oe at list.wedgeblade.net Cc: Sarah Buss Subject: quick thought on compassion _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:02:43 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:02:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] The light ... Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. May the LIGHT of the new year bring brightness and warmth as we care for the planet and each other within the earth community. The light has always returned following the darkness, it is indeed happening once again.. With love, Nancy [image: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME] *PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME* 22K Download -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:07:44 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:07:44 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. With love, Nancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From koshin at centurytel.net Wed Jan 2 03:45:36 2013 From: koshin at centurytel.net (Bob Hanson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting In-Reply-To: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> References: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Message-ID: <006301cde8de$aef3cf10$0cdb6d30$@centurytel.net> Thanks to both of you and a blessing along the way as you journey through another year. As to the poems, any time now in a word file and a three to five line bio for each. Still not sure about what my actions should be with our young man out in CO. Any updates. It look now like I will be in Boulder for two weeks, at least one this summer. It is still a bit up in the air. Let me know. Have a wonderful time friends. peace, ko shin, Bob Hanson N8311 County Road N, Neshkoro, WI 54960 Emily Dick-in-son wrote, "If I feel phys-i-cally as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry." Who says my poems are poems? My poems are not poems at all! Only when you understand that my poems are not poems can we begin to talk about poems.. Ryokan, Japanese poet Author/Complier of The Inner Passage, a book of Poetry & Photo's by Ko shin and Friends, Can be ordered from the ko shin, Amazon.com and purchsed at Woodland Pattern in Milwaukee, WI http://2012koshindharambumontheroadagain.blogspot.com/ Ko shin's Blogs: http://chasingwindmillswhynot.blogspot.com/ Face Book: Bob koshin Hanson Tweeter: 1940oldman 920 293 8856 Home 414 234 0954 Cell skype 920 240 4325 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:32 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'; 'Colleague Dialogue' Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Pris at TeamTechPress.com Wed Jan 2 09:07:33 2013 From: Pris at TeamTechPress.com (Priscilla Wilson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468FF2DD-081F-47AB-8808-ADB3741DB53C@TeamTechPress.com> Nancy, Thank you for your reflections?and the poem. As usual you give us word pictures so we can see you and your life. The new communities next to Songaia sound exciting. Son, Ben has redone my web site which triggered me to go back to check out all the posts I had put there. Some time ago I had posted a letter you sent about our wonderful visit in Oregon. I hope you don't mind, butI slightly changed it from the "I" of you writing it to sound more like a "we" report of us all. (Not sure that sentence makes sense?but?} The web site is: www.teamtechpress.com He has revamped the site so that I don't have to bother him with making changes, but I can now do that. I've been a glorious week in MN with Ben and family. I fly back home this afternoon and return to more normal (?) life. The book that Kaze and I are writing has had its first run with an editor. Now Kaze is coming to KC mid-Jan to continue on the next phase of the book. We should reach the publishing phase during 2013?that is the plan anyway. Love, Priscilla On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Nancy Lanphear wrote: > Dear Ones, > > Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. > > It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com > > Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. > > Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. > > I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. > > With love, > > Nancy _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net Priscilla Wilson TeamTech Press 913-432-2107 Pris at TeamTechPress.com www.TeamTechPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 3 09:39:12 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] =?utf-8?q?1/03/13=2C_Spong=3A_The_Birth_of_Jesus=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Part_VI=2E_Rahab_the_Prostitute=3A_The_Second_Woman_in_Matthew?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Genealogy?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB7F05FECE9BF-EB0-37F6@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VI. Rahab the Prostitute: The Second Woman in Matthew?s Genealogy The second woman mentioned in the genealogy of Matthew comes out of a story told in the book of Joshua. One can read the details in chapters two and six of that book. There are two things that are noteworthy about this woman. First, she is not a Jew, rather she is a citizen of Jericho and thus presumably a Canaanite, i.e. a Gentile. Second, she is introduced and described in a single word, ?harlot,? that is, Rahab was a prostitute, she sold sex for gain. Rahab had clearly entered the folk lore of both Judaism and Christianity for there are references to her in the Hebrew Scriptures in the book of Job: 9:13 and 26:12, in the Psalms: 87:4 and 89:10 and in the book of Isaiah 30:7 and 51:9. In addition to this reference in Matthew?s genealogy, she is also referred to in the Christian Scriptures in two places, Hebrews 11:3 and James 2:35. It is difficult to establish any dependency between Matthew and these other New Testament references, so we have to assume that the story of Rahab must have been a popular one in both Judaism and in early Christianity. In this column today, I want to recount the narrative of Rahab as it appears in the book of Joshua. The context is this: Moses has died in the wilderness of Moab and has been buried by God acting alone in a mysterious and unknown grave, or that is at least the story we receive in the last chapter of Deuteronomy (34). Joshua, Moses? number one military captain, has assumed the position of the leader of these wandering, nomadic people. As if to validate Joshua with an aura of Moses, a crossing of a body of water in Red Sea fashion has been promised to Joshua at the Jordan River. Beyond that river lay the first military prize for the invading Hebrews, the fortified and walled city of Jericho. While the people were encamped west of the Jordan preparing for that miraculous crossing, Joshua sent two men to spy on Jericho. These spies are unnamed, but they presumably managed to cross the river in daylight and enter the city, the gates of which were not closed until nightfall. They immediately went, as if by some pre-arranged plan, to the house of Rahab the prostitute. Perhaps there was some kind of prior relationship. Perhaps they sought out this house, the only local brothel, for their own entertainment. Perhaps it made strategic sense. Rahab?s house was conveniently located, built as it was into the wall that encircled the city. Certainly a brothel might have been chosen simply to serve to give the spies cover. We will never know. There is certainly the probability that this location and the service Rahab offered were well known to citizens and strangers alike. It was certainly in the ?public domain.? Reality says that for a stranger to enter the city and go straight to the house of Rahab would arouse little suspicion. Whatever the reason or reasons, it was to Rahab?s house that Joshua?s spies went and there, the text says, ?they lodged.? It seems that they remained there for several days. In time, their presence became known. It would certainly arouse suspicion if regular customers were rebuffed because of the presence of these strangers, and the public utterances of miffed regular customers would surely start rumors flying. In any event, their presence quickly came to the attention of the authorities in Jericho, including the king. Almost immediately they were defined as spies who had illegally entered the land. So the king, apparently knowing where they were, sent a deputation of soldiers to the house of Rahab with orders for the spies to come forth, presumably to be executed, for that was the normal fate of spies. Rahab, however, turns out to be more loyal to the spies than she is to her city, so when she gets wind of the danger, she not only hides the spies, but she lies to the king?s messengers about their continued presence. She did not deny that they had been there, since that seemed to have been a well-established fact. She admitted that they had visited, but that she had no idea where they were from or what their business was in Jericho. They have now gone, she said, telling the authorities that the two men had departed before the gates of the city had been closed when darkness fell. What might have been her motives? Perhaps she was just protecting her customers. Perhaps she had already developed a relationship with one of the spies that altered her priorities. Whatever the reason, Rahab urged the king?s representatives to pursue these spies rapidly for their departure from city, she said, had been recent and they could surely be overtaken. All the while, according to this narrative, Rahab has taken these men to the roof of her house and has hidden them under stalks of flax that were ?laid in order? on her roof. The king?s men took Rahab at her word and pursued what they thought were the escaping spies to the Jordan River and across it into the surrounding countryside. When the pursuers had left the city, the gates were closed for the night. No one could now leave and the pursuers could not return until the dawn when the gates were reopened. Rahab then goes to the roof to uncover her hidden guests. She speaks to them as one who knows they are destined to conquer Jericho. She tells them that fear of the invading Hebrews had fallen upon her fellow citizens and has caused their courage to melt away. She tells them that the people have heard of the miracle at the Red Sea and of their conquest of the Amorites in the wilderness and that the citizens of Jericho feel themselves doomed. Then she extracts an oath from the two spies. As I have protected you and dealt kindly with you, she said, I am prepared to continue to serve you by helping you escape. You must first, however, give me a sign that when your people conquer Jericho, you will repay my kindness by sparing my family from death. That means, she says, not just my life but those of my father, my mother, my brothers and sisters, their spouses and children. The spies agreed. ?Our lives for your life and those of your extended family? was the deal and it seemed to them a fair bargain. So it was agreed. A sign was established. Rahab was to hang a scarlet cord in the window of her house in that protective wall. This cord would be seen by all who passed by. The spies swore that all who were gathered in this house with the scarlet cord would be spared. Then Rahab made a rope and lowered each of the spies in a basket to the ground outside the wall and thus to safety. She instructed them to go to the hills through which their pursuers had already swept and hide there for three days until their pursuers had returned to the city. Their escape was successful and, after three days in the woods, they returned to Joshua with their report. The people of Jericho are faint hearted, the spies said, they know the Lord has given Jericho and its people into our hands. Rahab then disappears from the drama until the conquest of Jericho occurs in chapter six. In the meantime, the swollen, flooded waters of the Jordan have been split, in Red Sea-like fashion, and the army of the Hebrews has crossed that river bed on dry land. Then they set up siege positions outside the walls of the city of Jericho. For six days, the army would walk around those walls following the Ark of the Lord, attended by priests blowing constantly on their trumpets, which in fact were shofars or the horns of a ram. On the seventh day, the Hebrew army walked around the city walls seven times with the ram?s horns being blown constantly. When the seventh journey around the walls was complete, the trumpets blew a long and sustained blast and then the people shouted with loud shouts and, we are told, the walls around Jericho fell to the ground. Perhaps the sound vibrations from the shofars and the shouting people were more than their structures could tolerate. Perhaps the miraculous aspects of this story were enhanced with its telling as the years rolled by. This narrative, as a matter of fact, was not written until some 300 years after this event was supposed to have taken place. The important thing for our purpose is to note that this book says that Joshua and his army destroyed Jericho, putting everyone to the edge of the sword ? all men, all women, all old people, all young people and all the animals in an act of genocidal fury. True to their word, however, they spared all those who gathered in the house of Rahab. Joshua gave specific orders, ?Search out the harlot?s house and bring out of it the woman and all who belong to her as we promised.? The book of Joshua concludes with the story of Rahab by saying that Rahab the harlot was saved and all her household ?and she dwelt in Israel until this day.? Matthew from some source declared that she married a man named Salmon. Was he one of the two spies? Once again, we will never know, but Matthew asserts that Salmon and Rahab had a baby boy whose name was Boaz and that the line from Salmon went through Boaz to Obed to Jesse to David, who became the King of the Hebrew nation, and that this line would lead directly to Jesus of Nazareth, who was of the house of David.. So this is the second woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus. The first was guilty of an incestuous relationship with her father-in-law, the second was a prostitute. Matthew is introducing the story of Jesus? birth. He is establishing the Jewish roots of Jesus as well as his royal roots. He is also stating in a loud and provocative way that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth traveled through incest and harlotry. Why would he introduce the virgin birth this way? What is his agenda? What is his purpose? The story moves on and so does Matthew?s genealogy. When this column resumes, we will introduce the third of the ?shady ladies? in Matthew?s genealogy. She is a seductress. So stay tuned. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Bill Echols via the Internet, writes: Question: In talking to a friend, I stated my opinion that ?in future years, I believe Bishop Spong will be looked upon as one of the greatest theologians of our time.? I was wondering, do you consider yourself a theologian? Why or why not? Also, who are some of the past and current theologians you would recommend for study? Thank you for living your faith so beautifully and courageously. You have certainly been an inspiration in my life. Answer: Dear Bill, I think it is fair to say that only my mother would agree with your assessment of my place in history, so for now I am happy to have two votes. Thank you for your confidence. I consider myself a theologically and biblically-trained communicator. I study daily. I read the great theologians and the great biblical scholars constantly so that I can communicate their thoughts to other people. I certainly do not list myself among them. The mountain top theologians of the Christian tradition would surely include Paul, Origen, Augustine, Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther and John Calvin. I would also add to that list some more modern thinkers like Soren Kierkegaard, Friederick Schleiermacher, Paul Tillich, Hans Kung and Edward Schillebeeckx . Sometimes the best way to study these giants is to read those who can communicate their insights in a language that people can understand. That is where I come in and I am certainly not unusual or special. People like Marcus Borg, John Crossan, Martin Marty, James Cone, Karen Armstrong, Elaine Pagels and James Carroll are just a few of the communicating giants in our day. Than you for your letter and for your comments. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Happy New Year to all you believers in exile! May it be a year full of light and love. Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer > illiterate.**** > > ** ** > > *Del* > > ** ** > > Del Hunter Morrill**** > > 3217 North Mason Avenue**** > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419**** > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757**** > > *delhmor at wamail.net* > > *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com*** > > * * > > *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph > Campbell)* > > * * > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:10:21 2013 From: liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com (Lynn Brailsford) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:10:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> Message-ID: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Try clicking 'unread mail'. Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 18:40:31 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:40:31 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A752F50-48A5-473C-986C-27BF0E4256BB@optusnet.com.au> Dar Lynn, Thanks very much for this clue ..'! Del, it will be clear to you that many of us -though we could not help you ourselves, are also learning some new tips ! ( now I know about ' unread mail..' ) May 2013 bring unquenchable hope in all our lives, and good health, with peace. Isobel Bishop, in Australia, where it is a raging bush fire season with extreme temperatures; in a number of parts of the continent again On 06/01/2013, at 1:10 PM, Lynn Brailsford wrote: > Try clicking ?unread mail?. > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe- > bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have > 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come > into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to > ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 > once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. > Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to > bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate > any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph > Campbell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Sat Jan 5 19:49:17 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:49:17 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130105194917.97830361@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish Kenneth Boulding could have been part of the conversation. > http://www.dw.de/program/quadriga/s-7296-9798 Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel at yahoo.com Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of others, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods: Feb 12-13, 2013, May 21-22, 2013, Sep 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday (1-4 pm) of the month Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. From delhmor at wamail.net Mon Jan 7 12:54:10 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 13:10:51 2013 From: liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com (Lynn Brailsford) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Message-ID: <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top.on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mellowmilan at verizon.net Mon Jan 7 13:21:48 2013 From: mellowmilan at verizon.net (Milan Hamilton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:21:48 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301cded1d$014b50c0$03e1f240$@net> It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Sunny From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 5:36 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I have checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the side without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Del Morril" To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I > have > checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the > side > without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. > > > > PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing > of e-mails I wish to keep) > > MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) > > CALENDAR > > CONTACTS > > TASKS > > NOTES > > > > Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not > an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. > > As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I > plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. > > I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope > those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails > in > junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the > archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. > Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the > "search" folders toward the bottom. MM > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down > the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, > Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to > find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook > without success. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 > e-mails > that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in > box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has > never > done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever > else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can > tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly > appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) > 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6015 - Release Date: 01/07/13 From marilyncrocker at juno.com Mon Jan 7 18:00:02 2013 From: marilyncrocker at juno.com (Marilyn Crocker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Message-ID: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my Inbox - top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:03:54 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Message-ID: <8443890159658433553@unknownmsgid> Del, Just get a Mac, we never have ANY problems. Jack Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Marilyn Crocker wrote: Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my *Inbox* ? top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Del Morril *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community' *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find ?Unread Mail? ? I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * ------------------------------ *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Doris Hahn *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM *To:* Order Ecumenical Community *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Mon Jan 7 19:23:15 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:23:15 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130107192315.9783919F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Tue Jan 8 15:40:49 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:40:49 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del Message-ID: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wsalmon at cox.net Tue Jan 8 16:52:27 2013 From: wsalmon at cox.net (William Salmon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:52:27 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> Message-ID: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon ----- Original Message ----- From: Del Morril To: Order Ecumenical Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. 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Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. Randy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "William Salmon" wrote: > Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . > . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. > I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. > At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! > As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. > In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. > If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. > Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? > First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. > Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. > Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. > Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. > Inner Peace, > Bill Salmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del Morril > To: Order Ecumenical > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM > Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del > > The news is rotting my brain!! > > January 8, 2013 > > Musings by Del > > A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying ?bang?. A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year ?olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre ? six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. > > We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I?m concerned, you?ll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called ?structure is the key to change!? And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: > > 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. > 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? > 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. > > Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don?t we? This country is so driven by ?individual rights? and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don?t have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. > > Those whose pockets wouldn?t be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They?ll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn?t do anything to children?s brains and ideas. They?ll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. > > We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the ?done-to? victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else?s taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! > > We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. > > It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths ? above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don?t have such dictators ? we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let?s start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! > > > Del > > Del Hunter Morrill > 3217 North Mason Avenue > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > delhmor at wamail.net > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6016 - Release Date: 01/07/13 > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:26:58 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del In-Reply-To: <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > From walters at alaweb.com Tue Jan 8 19:06:18 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:06:18 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del Message-ID: <20130108190618.97821EAE@resin09.mta.everyone.net> We may not be able to outlaw guns, but we could outlaw the magazines that are used in assault guns. We could also urge the adoption of laws concerning the sale of ammunition: the size and types of ammunition, how much can be purchased in certaind time frame, and limits who can not purchase. Neither of thesae would be in conflict with the 2nd amendment. -David Walters --- jackcgilles at gmail.com wrote: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net From geowanda at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 08:52:22 2013 From: geowanda at earthlink.net (George Holcombe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:03:43 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> George, ? A?point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently?determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process?them,?rather than for?the value they add to standard of living and quality of?life.? I dare say if water in your area, or ours,?were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close.? Maybe one onehundredth. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 09:06:17 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:06:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 _geowanda at earthlink.net_ (mailto:geowanda at earthlink.net) Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews = _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:13:54 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del In-Reply-To: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> References: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357751634.64258.YahooMailNeo@web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jann, ? In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening.? It's still raining slowly and soaking in,?and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning.? This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter.? So?little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it?could be the new normal.? I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: "LAURELCG at aol.com" To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? > > >Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? > > >In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > >George Holcombe >14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >Austin, TX 78728 >Mobile 512/252-2756 >geowanda at earthlink.net > > >Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > >= > >_______________________________________________ >OE mailing list >OE at lists.wedgeblade.net >http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 09:55:32 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:55:32 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201cdee92$8532b060$8f981120$@comcast.net> Right ? 59% of the purified water in the Cherry Creek Water District (where we get our drinking water in Centennial, Colorado) is used to water lawns. Time for many people to change their practices, me included. Best, Sherwood George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 10:44:13 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Great Teachings for climate change:Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow's newsletter Message-ID: <3fb8.f5150fc.3e1f147d@aol.com> Colleagues, these links lead to fabulous resources, imho. Jann Dear Friends and Fellow Evolutionaries, Greetings in the New Year! Three things this month: 1. What's New on The Great Story website: _http://thegreatstory.org/new.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/new.html) (Parents: we highly recommend the "_Elemental Birthdays_ (http://solstice-and-equinox.com/elementalbirthdays.html) " resource!) 2. Our awakening to the moral urgency of climate change, as intergenerational injustice / intergenerational evil: Best short videos and most helpful resources on the subject: _http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html) Direct link to our "personal awakening" video on YouTube: _http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI_ (http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI) My HuffPost blog post: _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html) 3. My dear friend and mentor David Gershon, co-founder of Empowerment Institute, is one of the world's foremost authorities on behavior-change, community empowerment, and large-system transformation. I know this from personal experience, as we worked closely together in the mid-to-late 1990s. David's work has addressed a wide diversity of issues: * low carbon lifestyles * livable neighborhoods * sustainable communities * organizational talent development * corporate social engagement * cultural transformation David is offering a free teleseminar this Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 2pm EST / 11am PST: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) This hour-long teleseminar is appropriate for anyone wishing to make change happen. David presents strategies and tools for shifting habits, empowering communities, and transforming large systems. Drawing on his highly acclaimed book Social Change 2.0, he describes how each of us can step up our ability to make a difference in the world. David also introduces his "Masterclass in Transformative Social Change" that starts on January 27th. (Learn more about that _here_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARC e1D9AyR_Bm1r__uf0cE7Z_wtplpG-KvjT61raV-PyKCgJo3z1NZWNNlAtlQesuQFPOheFpFyxrON ZXI-bopNZMQ==) .) Connie and I will both be on the teleseminar call and will also be enrolling in David's masterclass. _Download a free PDF_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARCe1D9AyR_Bm1rQWQjYdCIVgUmz-1C4OIacP ozK5YAX5OaYQXHZX55AbWyEs_1VgaQbUl_MxF8cAEhxEfO6j7oCeFAumtqTIHT8A-SRuyDCxfFqJ aiwexg7avDDFmbGhOSy) of "Reinventing Social Change," the introduction to the book, Social Change 2.0. View a short video by David Gershon on pushing the envelope as a change agent: _http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0_ (http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0) And here's another short video of David talking about Social Change 2.0 with Deepak Chopra: _http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs_ (http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs) NOTE: As a member of Connie's and my "Evolutionary Times" email list, if you register for David's Masterclass (which is separate from the free teleseminar/introduction) you are entitled to a tuition reduction of $35. Just type "Evolutionary Times" into the partner organization box. Again, here's the link to register for the free January 13th teleseminar: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) Wishing everyone a joyful, productive, and fulfilling 2013! Natural blessings, ~ Michael and Connie _http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html) _http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm_ (http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 11:02:48 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <499c.5a0f2e1c.3e1f18d8@aol.com> My prayer answered! Water has been fought over in California forever. Jann In a message dated 1/9/2013 9:14:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: Jann, In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening. It's still raining slowly and soaking in, and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning. This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter. So little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it could be the new normal. I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had a revelation that neither is a problem - I'm just "passionately indignant!" _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of LAURELCG at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Wed Jan 9 13:07:59 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: > George, > > A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. > > Randy > > "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley > > From: George Holcombe > To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del > > Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. > > Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. > > In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > geowanda at earthlink.net > > Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 13:51:45 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> Message-ID: <006b01cdeeb3$850534c0$8f0f9e40$@comcast.net> Sounds like a great future Supreme Court case (among many related others!). From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:08 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 10 08:13:00 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/10/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFBD647EBBFDCC-2224-19FE@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress The third woman mentioned in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus is also unique in a number of ways. Her name is Ruth and she, like Rahab, is a foreigner. Rahab was a Canaanite citizen of Jericho. Ruth was a Moabite, and the widow of a Jewish man named Mahlon. Her story is found in the tiny book that bears her name that is nestled in the Hebrew Scriptures between Judges and I Samuel. It is a dramatic tale involving some unfamiliar Jewish practices that are strange to us today, but that made sense in terms of the Jewish values of that day, rooted as they were in both tribal and patriarchal assumptions. Listen first to the story. It was around the year 1100 BCE when a time of famine produced a down turn in the Hebrew economy. Elimelech, a citizen of Bethlehem, his wife Naomi and their two sons, Mahlon and Chilion, moved to the land of Moab in search of work, food and survival. Soon thereafter, Elimelech died leaving Naomi with her two sons, strangers and aliens in a foreign land. The two sons then assumed the care of their mother and settled into their life in Moab, living there for about ten years, during which time they even took Moabite women to be their wives. Mahlon married Ruth and Chilion married Orpah. Then tragedy struck once again when both Mahlon and Chilion died, leaving the remaining members a very vulnerable family of three widows, women who had no male support and no male protection. This patriarchal society had not developed any way of enabling lone women to care for themselves outside the protective structure provided by a father, a husband or a son. ?An independent woman? was an unimaginable category. Hebrew law, therefore, required that women who are alone be cared for by the nearest male kinsman in the family. Normally this meant that the next oldest brother in the family must take the widow of his deceased brother as his wife. In the case of Naomi, Orpah and Ruth, however, there were no younger brothers and, with Naomi being of post-menopausal age, there was no chance of ever producing any. Nothing was more fragile or tragic in this society than a woman who had no father, no husband and no son. She thus fell out of the social safety net, which that society had built to care for the vulnerable. The next level of support was to identify the male, who was simply the closest of kin and to turn all of her assets over to him. This included his taking the widowed woman to be his wife, or at least a member of his harem, for which he had responsibility and for which he assumed sexual privileges with the stated hope of raising up children to the deceased male. As long as this fragile trio of women lived in the land of Moab, there was no male closest of kin. Naomi, facing this reality, called her two daughters-in-law to her and told them that she was moving back to the land of the Jews, presumably to Bethlehem. She instructed the young widows to do the only thing left open to them. She told them to return to their families and to the protection of their fathers. That was a demeaning act as these widows would from then on be considered ?damaged goods.? They would be unable to contract another ?proper? marriage. Perhaps some men could be found to take them, but prospects were bleak; not as bleak, however, as what they faced as a family of three vulnerable women living alone. Orpah accepted that option and returned to her family, disappearing from this story forever. Ruth, however, declined and informed Naomi that she would go with her back to the land of the Jews, that she did not want to leave her mother-in-law alone and that together they would face the hardship that both knew awaited them. In one of the most beautiful passages in this book, Ruth says words that have been set to music today and we know them as ?The Song of Ruth,? ?Entreat me not to leave you or to return from following you; for where you go, I will go; where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God, where you die, I will die and there will I be buried.? (Ruth 1:16-17) This song of Ruth is frequently sung at weddings as the bride and groom stare deeply into each other?s eyes.. I wonder how many couples would choose this music if they knew that originally it was Ruth?s song sung to her mother-in-law! The two single women then returned to Bethlehem and began their struggle for survival. It was the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Naomi plotted her strategy. She was aware that her husband, Elimelech, had a kinsman named Boaz, who owned much land in the Bethlehem area. She thus settled into a humble dwelling near the fields of her husband?s distant relative. Jewish law also required that the reapers should not seek to harvest every grain of barley, but that some should be left in the field to be gleaned by the poor. Each day Ruth went into these fields to gather the grain the reapers had missed. She brought it home, ground it and baked it into a barley cake sufficient to keep Naomi and herself from starving. Her faithful caring for Naomi was noticed. Boaz inquired of her identity and learned that she was Naomi?s Moabite daughter-in-law, that she had asked permission to glean in the field behind the reapers and that she had gathered the scanty remains from sunup to sundown without resting. Inspired by this example, Boaz spoke to Ruth, telling her not to gather grain in any other fields and gave her access to water drawn by the young men for the workers in the field. He ordered the young men not to molest her. Ruth thanked Boaz for his kindness, inquiring as to why he was so gracious to a foreigner. Boaz replied that her faithfulness in the care of Naomi had inspired him and revealed that he had been told of the death of Ruth?s husband and of her willingness to leave her own people in order to care for Naomi. Boaz then instructed the reapers to leave some of the sheaves that they had gathered for her to glean. When Ruth told Naomi about the kindness of the man who owned the fields, Naomi was pleased that the trap she was setting was about to be sprung. She waited until the harvest season was over before she put her plan into operation. Naomi shared with Ruth that Boaz was a distant relative of Elimelech, her father-in-law, and thus of Mahlon, Ruth?s husband. He thus had a social responsibility to care for her. When the reaping was over, Boaz and his workers would celebrate at the threshing floor and Ruth would attend that celebration. She prepared carefully, she bathed, she anointed herself with perfume, she put on her best dress and off she went. Naomi instructed her that she was not to make herself known until the man had finished eating and drinking. The text says until ?his heart was merry.? The wine flowed freely that evening and by midnight Boaz, now well drunk, lay down on the floor and went to sleep. Ruth came over to him, placed a pillow under his head and covered him with a blanket. Then the text says she ?uncovered his feet,? and lay down at his feet. In the scriptures the word ?feet? was a euphemism for the male genitals. The fact is that Ruth undressed him and climbed under the blanket with him. This was an overt act of seduction. When Boaz awakened at the dawn?s first shaft of light, he found this woman under the blanket with him. He had no idea who she was or what he might have done in his drunken stupor, and so he spoke to her. ?Who are you?? He asked. She replied: I am Ruth, you are my next of kin. Marry me!? Boaz pretended to be flattered that she had not gone after a younger man, but he was not quite ready to accept this new responsibility. There was one other, he said, who was a closer kinsman to her husband than he. He would have to speak to him first. It seems this other man had the right of first refusal. Boaz went to meet with him, telling Ruth not to let it be known ?that a woman came to the threshing floor.? He then gave Ruth ?six measures of barley,? perhaps it was payment for her ?night?s work? and he went off to the city. Ruth reported back to Naomi with this grain and Naomi rejoiced. Her plan had clearly worked. Boaz, gathering ten men of the city to serve as witnesses, met with this nearest kinsman and the negotiations proceeded. Boaz informed this man that Ruth, Mahlon?s widow, has returned from Moab and that she has a parcel of land that belonged to Mahlon?s father, our kinsman, Elimelech. You, as the nearest of kin, have first refusal. Will you redeem this land? If not, I am next in line. The nearest of kin agreed to redeem it. Then Boaz said that is fine, but you need to know the day you take over this field, you are also agreeing to care for Naomi, Elimelech?s widow, and to take Mahlon?s widow, Ruth, to be your wife and to raise up children to her deceased husband. That was a sticky wicket. He would then have to include any children he might have with Ruth among those who would inherit his estate. So he declined. ?I cannot redeem it,? he said, ?Lest I impair my own children?s inheritance.? So, in the presence of the elders, he renounced his claim. The decision was affirmed in the traditional way of exchanging a sandal. Boaz then was authorized to buy the parcel, to become heir of all that belonged to Elimelech, Mahlon and Chilion. He would care for Naomi and Ruth would become his wife so that the name of Mahlon would not be cut off in the land. The elders saluted Boaz and said, ?May your house be like the house of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah.? thus linking these two stories. Boaz and Ruth had a son whose name was Obed. When Obed reached maturity, he had a son named Jesse. Jesse in turn grew up and had a son named David, who became the great king of the Hebrew nation. Ruth was thus the great grandmother of King David. Matthew incorporated Ruth into the genealogy of Jesus that served as his prologue to the introduction of the first account of Jesus? miraculous birth, In that genealogy, Matthew is saying the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar, the harlotry of Rahab and the seduction of Ruth. It also proclaimed that Moabite blood flowed in the veins of the Jewish King David, thus countering all of the claims of racial purity made for the Royal House of David. One more woman will appear in Matthew?s genealogy. We will turn to her story when this series continues, but surely by now we should be asking what Matthew?s purpose is; what is his agenda that he has chosen to introduce the Virgin Birth story in this way? ~JSS Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Jan Weston from Morrow, Ohio, writes: Question: I know that you are invited to Unity Village, Lee's Summit, Missouri, on occasions. I think I have read a comment from you saying that Unity was a positive resource for the future understanding of faith. My wife and I have regularly attended a Unity congregation until recently. I had searched to see if you had written anything in regards to interpreting scripture metaphysically and could not find any articles. I would like to know in more detail your feelings of the strengths and weaknesses as you see it in Unity thought. Also, any suggestions for a resource other than the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary and Charles Fillmore's The Revealing Word: A Dictionary of Metaphysical Terms. I look forward every Thursday to receiving your articles. Answer: Dear Jan, Thank you for your letter. I have had the pleasure of being at Lee?s Summit on several occasions and have spoken in perhaps as many as 200 Unity Churches across the nation. I find the Unity Movement exciting and open. It is not, however, their metaphysical interpretation of the scriptures that impresses me so much as it is their insistence on seeing religion as an asset to wholeness. They simply are not into sin, original or otherwise. The traditional Christian message, which is rooted in the theology of Augustine in the Fourth century and expanded by Anselm in the twelfth century, is based on the assumption that human life began as perfection, only to fall into sin and, therefore, it needed to be rescued, saved or redeemed. So Jesus is presented as savior, redeemer or rescuer. By defining Jesus in this way, we also inevitably define human life as fallen or lost. I think that is an incorrect description of the origins of human life and any theological system based on that primary assumption will inevitably contribute to the destruction not the enhancement of human life. We human beings are not fallen sinners so much as we are creatures evolving toward some future destiny. We have never been perfect, we have never fallen and we do not need to be saved. When it comes to interpreting the Bible, a metaphysical approach was adopted by the founders of Unity because that gave them a way out of the necessity for reading the Bible literally and at that time very little else was then available to them at that time to accomplish this task. The Bible was never meant to be read literally, but that was nonetheless the pattern that the church applied to the Bible over the centuries. If we shatter the hold literalism has on scripture, we have many options open to us for reading the Bible non-literally. Metaphysically is one of them and that was the method chosen by Unity. I see it as one among many ways to approach the scriptures. My own study, however, has led me to a rather different approach. I seek to go to the origins of the text, examine the historical circumstances, which produced that material in the first place and then try to discover the experiences that lie behind the biblical explanations. It is that experience which makes contact with my human experience today. For example, all four of the gospels reflect the Jewish-Roman War from 66-73 CE, during which the city of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE. The gospels all assume this event and their message is even shaped by it, even though they each purport to write about a life that was crucified in 30 CE, two to three generations before Jerusalem?s fall. In a similar way, much of the Old Testament reflects the division of the Hebrew nation into two competitive states, Judah and Israel, which occurred around the year 929 BCE, yet that fact is written into the story of the patriarchs who lived some 700 to 900 years before this split took place. The point of this is to force us to face the fact that what we have called ?the word of god? is a quite human book and a very subjective one. That is the kind of wrestling with the text that opens to me the doors through which I feel compelled to walk in the confidence that this approach will yield the meaning I seek. A metaphysical reading of our sacred texts will also deliver us from literalism, but for me it does not go as deeply as I feel I must go in search of truth. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! 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Could you please repost it or forward it to me directly at Jim Wheeler jimandjo at sbcglobal.net. I like to add it to my files on Spong's NT background work. Grace and peace, Jim Wheeler On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ellie Stock wrote: > > > > > > > Homepage > My Profile > Essay Archive > Message Boards > Calendar > The Birth of Jesus, Part I: Introduction > Most of the portraits of the mother of Jesus that hang in the great > museums of the world are dependent first on the biblical stories of Jesus? > birth and second on the presumed appearances of his mother at the foot of > the cross. Take those two traditions away from the New Testament and the > mother of Jesus almost totally disappears. Indeed, what remains is mostly > negative. She is portrayed in Mark (chapters 3 and 6) as thinking that > Jesus was ?beside himself,? that is ?out of his mind? and she, along with > his brothers, moves to ?put him away.? He had, this story implies, become > an embarrassment to the family. In the Fourth Gospel, in the narrative of > the water being changed into wine, the mother of Jesus is portrayed as > inappropriately pushing Jesus to act and she receives from him the rebuke, > ?Woman, what have you to do with me, my hour has not yet come?? She is > also not present at the cross in the writings of Paul or in any of the > earlier gospels of Mark, Matthew or Luke. Only with the appearance of the > Fourth Gospel at the end of the first century did anyone think to portray > her at the foot of the cross. > These biblical facts force us to recognize that most of the ideas we have > about the mother of Jesus are late developing myths that make assumptions > the Bible does not make. The birth stories are found first in Matthew, the > dating of which is generally between 82 and 85, and second in Luke, which > is generally thought to have been written about a decade after Matthew. > This means that the New Testament?s accounts of Jesus? birth are both > products of a time 52-65 years after the life of Jesus came to its earthly > end and some 82-95 years after the time of his birth. This is not eye > witness reporting. Clearly the tradition that was built around the mother > of Jesus is both late developing and continues to grow with the passing of > years. > Once the time of the writing of the New Testament has passed, however, the > mythology that developed around the mother of Jesus apparently knew no > bounds. The virgin mother of the birth narratives became in successive > generations, first, the permanent virgin, thus redefining Jesus? siblings, > referred to by name in both Galatians and in Mark, and referred to in John > simply as ?his brothers,? as half brothers or cousins. Next she was > declared to have been a ?post-partum? virgin, which suggested that even the > birth of Jesus did not disturb her virginal hymen. In the service of that > idea the ?Fathers? of the church even searched the scriptures for biblical > texts that would support this growing conviction. They settled on two. > First, they looked at the writings of a sixth century BCE prophet named > Ezekiel, who in the first verse of the 44th chapter wrote these words: > ?This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened and no one shall enter > by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it > shall remain shut.? Without either apology or embarrassment, they leaped > on these words to claim that the ?post partum virginity? of the ?Blessed > Virgin Mary? had actually been predicted by the prophets! The second text > was found in the resurrection story according to the Fourth Gospel. In > that narrative the disciples were in hiding in an upper room with the doors > and the windows closed and locked and Jesus came and stood in their midst. > If the risen Christ could pass through walls guarded by locked doors, they > argued, it was no great stretch to imagine the infant Christ passing > through the birth canal of his mother without breaking the hymen. > Mythology always does strange things to facts and to reality. > By the 19th century, devotion to the mother of Jesus became so strong > that the Roman Catholic Church, in which this devotion was most encouraged, > declared that she, unlike all other human beings, had been ?immaculately > conceived.? That is, her mother had been miraculously cleansed of the sin > of Adam, which was believed to have infected all human beings and to have > been passed on from generation to generation. For Jesus to have been born > without sin, his mother would have to have been especially prepared for > this birth. This necessity also reflected the fact that in the early > years of the 18th century, the discovery had been made that women have an > egg cell and therefore that the woman literally contributes half of the > genetic makeup of every person who has ever been born. Prior to this the > assumption was that the woman simply provided the womb that nurtured the > male seed to maturity. Like ?Mother Earth? into which the farmer planted > the seed, the woman?s role had been seen as simply to bring to birth the > life that came from the male. When the egg cell was discovered, the > realization dawned on the leadership of the church that the mother of Jesus > was, like all women and indeed like all people, a child of Adam and so the > sinlessness of Jesus was compromised through his mother?s line. That had > not been a problem in the old view of reproduction. The Immaculate > Conception addressed that theological problem demonstrating once and for > all that even ?infallible? doctrines are forced to adjust to new > discoveries. > The final chapter in the mythological development of the mother of Jesus > came in the 20th century when Mary was declared to have been bodily > assumed into heaven. Since she was born without sin, she was not required > to go through the passage of death, since death, according to the story of > the Garden of Eden, was punishment for sin. > Carl Jung rejoiced in the Vatican?s declaration of the bodily assumption > of the mother of Jesus into heaven because in his world of symbols this > meant that the feminine had finally been lifted into God and the > patriarchal tyranny of a God conceived of in only masculine terms and > always addressed as ?Father? had finally been tempered. > In this new series of columns over the next few months, I want, first, to > get underneath the mythology of the ages and second, the development found > in the New Testament itself, so that we can look at Jesus, the mother of > Jesus and the entire Christian story with a set of eyes honed by > scholarship and tempered by the facts of history as we can demonstrate > them. I trust it will be an illuminating and worthwhile story for my > readers. > If the familiar biblical images of the mother of Jesus are late > developing, what do we have that is original and perhaps trustworthy? That > is the question we will address as this series unfolds. I begin with some > statements of fact that I will pursue in detail going into each of them > deeply before any conclusions are reached, probably some time in February. > For now, I simply file them as bullet points for your consideration. As the > Book of Common Prayer in my church states these bullet points are designed > to be ?read, marked, learned and inwardly digested.? This series will > provide the time to do just that. > > - We can now date the life of Jesus with some degree of accuracy. > Recent discoveries have made it possible to fix the life of Jesus between > the years of 4 BCE and 30 CE. We get to these dates first by the discovery > in ancient Roman records that King Herod died in 4 BCE and since the clear > New Testament tradition is that Jesus was born when Herod was the king so > we fix the date of Jesus birth at 4 BCE. Second, we learn, once more from > secular records, that Pilate was the procurator of Judea for the Roman > Empire between the years 26-36 CE. If, as each of the gospels asserts, the > crucifixion occurred under the authority of Pilate, then the crucifixion > has to happen some time between those dates. Roman records also provide us > with some other facts in the life of Pilate that have to do with the > reasons for his removal from office. Since they appear to have happened > well after the crucifixion we can squeeze those dates a bit closer to > perhaps 28-32 as the time of the crucifixion. We then split the difference > and settle on 30, with the knowledge that we might be off two years in > either direction. So for our working purposes, we set the life of Jesus > between 4 BC and 30 CE. > - We have nothing preserved in writing anywhere of anything concerning > the life of Jesus before the year 51 CE. That is a silent and dark > historical tunnel, which can be illumined only by speculation. It is > filled in only by what we call ?the oral tradition? that we have almost no > way of recreating, entering or capturing. > - Paul the first writer, whose work was destined to be included in the > New Testament, did all of his writing between the years 51 and 64. Not all > of the epistles attributed to Paul are authentically from his hand. The > ones about whom a consensus of the certainty of Pauline authorship exists > are I Thessalonians, Galatians, I and II Corinthians, Romans, Philemon and > Philippians. This means that II Thessalonians, Colossians, Ephesians, I > and II Timothy, Titus and Hebrews are not considered to be from the hand of > Paul. > - Nowhere in any part of the authentic Pauline corpus is there a > reference of any kind to the birth of Jesus, nor is there any mention of > the mother or father of Jesus. There are in Paul, however, several > references, mostly in Galatians, to James, the brother of the Lord. > > Our study of the birth of Jesus will therefore start with Paul, the > earliest writer in the New Testament. That means that we will start our > investigation in the sixth and seventh decades of the Christian era. > I hope that whets your appetite. We will continue the drama in subsequent > columns. > ~John Shelby Spong > Read the essay online here > . > > Question & Answer > Ed Branthaver, via the Internet, writes: > Question: > You have been a long time favorite author of mine ever since I read *Rescuing > the Bible from Fundamentalism > .* I have every one of your books in my personal library. I grew up in > the tradition of a liberal Church of the Brethren to which I still hold > some loyalty. However, in all my years, I was never able to understand > much of the biblical language or teachings. I was in my 60th year before I > discovered you and your writings. Let me say you are the first person who > has helped me understand what for a long time has confused me. Recently, I > came across a small book by Anthony Freeman, *God in Us*. He claims that > his use of the term God (instead of referring to a supernatural being) > refers to the sum of all values and ideals in life: Positive values like > goodness, love, knowledge, wisdom, power (used rightly), etc. and negative > values like freedom for the fear and tyranny of death, of suffering, etc. > He says, ?Do you believe in God? is like asking ?How long is a piece of > string? Just tell me what sort of God you have in mind and I will tell you > whether I believe in him (her, it.)? He labels his philosophy, Christian > Humanism, and his call to ?radical insecurity? which carries an element of > uncertainty, sure sounds a lot like your recent call to ?Think Different, > Accept Uncertainty.? Could you call the New Christianity for a New World > Christian Humanism? > Answer: > Dear Ed, > I have known and admired Anthony Freeman for a long time. He was an > Anglican priest until the Anglican hierarchy decided that his view of God > was not sufficient for him to represent that church as one of its ordained > servants. I would never have made such a judgment. No person?s view of > God is the same as God! I?m not at all sure that the view of God reflected > in those Anglican hierarchical figures is a view of God that is sufficient > for them to remain in their respective positions of authority either. They > simply validate tradition while Anthony has challenged the adequacy of that > tradition. Only time will tell which attitude is closer to the truth and > history has consistently shown that those who stand outside the traditional > theological lines are harbingers of the future majority. > Does this mean that I believe that Anthony?s view of God is complete? No, > but neither is the view of his hierarchical theological judges or my view > of God. What ecclesiastical heresy hunters never understand is no human > mind and no religious tradition can ever fully embrace or express the truth > of God in any human words or in any established doctrines and dogmas of any > church. Churches are always pretending that they possess the ultimate > truth of God. I think that is nothing short of idolatry. I believe I > experience God and I can talk about my experience. I do not believe I can > define God, nor do I believe anyone else can. > I find the phrase Christian Humanism to be an appealing one. The opposite > of humanism is not the lack of or the inability to embrace the reality of a > supernatural deity. The opposite of humanism is to be inhumane! I think > Jesus is about expanded life and expanded consciousness; about calling us > into the fullness of lour humanity. Humanism shares that goal, but would > probably not embrace my definition. Humanism is thus not my enemy, but my > ally. I think of myself as a Christian Humanist, but I want both of these > words to carry equal weight. > I hope this helps. > ~John Shelby Spong > > Announcements > > > > > > Any questions or concerns, please contact us at > support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. > > *Copyright ? 2012 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved.* > You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. > *Our mailing address is:* > ProgressiveChristianity.org > 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. > Unit 1 > Portland, OR 97214 > > Add us to your address book > > If you are a paying subscriber, you may login and cancel your account > . > > > > > > > > Sent to elliestock at aol.com ? *why did I get this?* > unsubscribe from this list| update > subscription preferences > ProgressiveChristianity.org ? 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. ? Unit 1 ? 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In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agammel at ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 12 10:33:55 2013 From: agammel at ix.netcom.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:33:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <30330990.1358015635687.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolcrowcrow at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 17:48:59 2013 From: carolcrowcrow at gmail.com (Carol Crow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:48:59 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Message from A.M. Noel Message-ID: <1A4A515E-BC35-4D1A-ACF1-D1A42272CE7A@gmail.com> Dear Friends, I am forwarding a message from our colleague A.M. Noel,currently living in upstate New York: "Dr. A.J.A. Peter, age 77, eldest brother of A.M. Noel, took his last breath yesterday, January 10, 2013 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He was a guardian of the ICA for many years." A.M.'s sister had died on A.M.'s birthday, December 17, 2012, followed on December 22 by the death of his father-in-law David VerNooy. A Memorial service for A.M.'s sister and brother will be held in Malaysia in February when the family gathers in Kuala Lumpur. David VerNooy who died in December was a clergyman participant in the Ecumenical Institute's Primal Community Experiment in the 1970's, in Connecticut and New York. Please hold A.M. and his family in your hearts at this time. In Community, Carol From sunwalker at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 12:21:02 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Message-ID: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend - he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT's education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences-several every year-as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people - not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From elliestock at aol.com Sat Jan 12 12:59:35 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:24:45 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:24:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> So sorry, Alan - I thought I had sent you one. Will get it in the mail on Monday. Grace and Peace, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:34:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, agammel at ix.netcom.com writes: Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:22:00 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:22:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b08f.330509ae.3e232df8@aol.com> I remember the stack of 11" x 14" sheets that were in the print shop with the "Order" cross printed on them in anticipation of announcing the death of a colleague, and thinking, "I wonder how far down am I in that stack?" So glad I haven't risen to the top yet! Thanks as always, for your kind words. Thank you note for the check is in process. Grace and Peace and Love, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, llc860 at triad.rr.com writes: Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock ____________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Sat Jan 12 16:33:43 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:33:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <8C20B8311A134335A8C11D73859C3FF2@DELS> Which Alan is this??? Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:34 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 17:43:38 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> References: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> Message-ID: <005e01cdf12f$7208f900$561aeb00$@comcast.net> Hi Mike ? Thanks for keeping this great service going! Greetings to Judi, Meg and your family. Cheers, Sherwood and Eunice ORDER FORM NAME: Sherwood Shankland ADDRESS: 19381 East Tufts Circle CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: Centennial, CO 80015 COUNTRY: USA EMAIL: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ X ] Booklet form [ X ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $30.00 ? sending check by snail mail The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list . http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 00:12:11 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <008401cdf165$b0b5d570$12218050$@comcast.net> Yes, he did ? and his organization was the host sponsor that year. Kim Epley and I were the co-chairs. It was our first conference after the IAF was officially incorporated. He also invited in the one who led us in the closing Indian dance circle. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ellie Stock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:00 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. 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What I do is turn on their moderation flag, so I have to approve mail posted from their email. That way if they want to post they can, but the spam won't some through. This might mean their posts are delayed since it has to wait until I get to it. Of course there is nothing I can do about mail you get that is not from the list. And this tactic will not stop your getting spam email from list members directly. If you see mail on one of the mailing lists similar to Mary's that is clearly spam, please email me directly. Posting to the list just adds more noise to the lists (as this email is, but I reluctantly concluded it was necessary). I did a bit of research and there was a recent exploit that affected Yahoo users. If this happens to your email, at a minimum change your email password. And of course, avoid clicking on links in emails, even if they are from people you know. Your mailing list servant, Tim Wegner From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 17 06:49:06 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/17/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC2D8EEB7A8A2-1834-4306C@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VIII. The Fourth Woman in Matthew?s genealogy: The Wife of Uriah The fourth and final woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus with which he opens his gospel and simultaneously introduces into the Christian tradition the story of the virgin birth, is the best known of them all. Matthew in this genealogy, however, does not ever call her by her name. He refers to her rather as "the wife of Uriah," but those who are familiar with the Jewish scriptures, as Matthew?s audience would surely have been, know from the story in the 11th chapter of II Samuel that her name is Bathsheba and you and I can read her fascinating story any time we want simply by turning to that chapter of the Bible. For those who might not be familiar with this narrative these are the details. In the spring of the year,? is the way the author of this book of Samuel begins his story. The spring of the year is the time when ?the sap rises,? romance is in the air and, this author observes, it was also the time ?when kings go forth to battle.? King David, however, did not follow the familiar script for this year so he remained in Jerusalem while dispatching his army into battle under the command of his trusted military chief, a man named Joab. Joab?s assigned task, said the author of II Samuel, was to ?ravage? King David?s enemy, the Ammonites. Not only was he to conquer the land of Ammon, but his army was to accomplish this by besieging and then destroying the capital city of Rabbah, while the king remained safe and secure in the comfort of his palace. Thus the stage was set in which this particular episode would transpire. It would be while the king was at home far from the battlefield, that he would have the adventure that would determine not just the history of the Jewish people, but also through them, the history of the world. Great changes do attach themselves sometimes to seemingly unimportant details. It was in the late afternoon one day when King David, perhaps bored, decided to stroll out onto the rooftop of the royal palace to enjoy the warm spring breezes. Because his palace was the tallest building in the city, he could look down on all the roof tops of the other homes below. On this day, to the delight of his lecherous eyes, his gaze fell upon a young woman, who was bathing herself in what she believed was the privacy of her own roof top. David was immediately smitten by this woman?s charms and, as heads of state are prone to do, he assumed that his desires should be fulfilled. So David, after inquiring as to her identity, sent a messenger to this woman?s house, bearing his personal invitation for her to come to the palace and to have a ?tryst? with the king. She came. Whether or not she had a choice, we do not know. The rights of women were very circumscribed in that patriarchal society. Bathsheba?s roof top bath was described in this text as necessary for ?purifying herself from her uncleanness,? which was a euphemistic way the Bible described the fact that she had just completed her menstrual cycle. This detail is essential to the developing plot of this story, since it demonstrated conclusively that she was not pregnant at that moment. When she arrived at the palace David greeted her and then ?took her and lay with her,? the text informs us. The act complete, this woman, having served her defined purpose, returned to her own house. In all probability David thought little more about the incident. It was probably not the first time, nor would it be the last, that this kind of activity had happened in his life. It was, however, destined to be a life-changing experience in Bathsheba?s life. In a few weeks Bathsheba, noticing some unusual, but revealing circumstances, sent a message to the palace marked ?for the king?s eyes only.? In this message she informed King David that she was pregnant with his child. David, seeking to create some room in which to maneuver, asked her how she could be sure that this baby was his child. ?You are a married woman,? he reminded her. Why do you assume that this is not your husband?s child? It was then that Bathsheba informed him that though she was indeed married, her husband, Uriah, was a professional soldier and that he had been away for months serving in the king?s army under Captain Joab in the war against the Ammonites. ?There is no way O King,? she concluded, ?that you are not the father of this baby.? David felt the noose tightening around his neck. He was not, however, ready to take responsibility for this fact and so he opted for plan B. He would dispatch a messenger to his army chief Joab, ordering him to grant a furlough to Uriah the Hittite. His cover was that he wanted to receive a first-hand report from someone in the field of battle and he had chosen Uriah for this ?signal honor.? While on this special leave, David reasoned, Uriah would stay in his home, lie with his wife and when the baby was born, they could claim that this infant had just come early. It would not be the first time in that pre-DNA world that such an explanation had been conceived of and successfully employed. So a very surprised Uriah received orders to return to Jerusalem in order to provide a personal and private update for the king on the course of the battle. Uriah, however, did not choose to return to his own house. He, rather, slept quite ostentatiously in the street at the gate of the king?s palace. David?s plans were foiled again. He had not counted on Uriah being the ultimate ?boy scout.? Uriah told the king that it would simply not be fitting for him to enjoy the pleasures of his home, his wife and his bed while all his comrades were still camping out in the fields, eating K-rations and risking their lives in the siege of Rabbah. ?I could not think of doing such a thing,? he concluded. David must have thought to himself, ?What a turkey!? Now he was forced to resort to plan C. The king next took out the royal quill and on a piece of royal parchment, he wrote out new orders to be carried to Joab, his military captain. He sent these new orders to Captain Joab via the hand of Uriah, who was returning to his duty on the battlefield. The king?s orders directed Joab to charge the gates of the city of Rabbah with a ?V? shaped flying wedge. These orders also directed Joab to place Uriah the Hittite at the point of the ?V? thus giving him the ?honor? of leading the charge. It was a position in which few survived. It was done as the king commanded and Uriah was struck down and killed immediately. Joab then sent the king a message to inform him that his problems were over and that Uriah was dead. In turn, David sent for Bathsheba and she came to his palace to be one of his wives and thus a member of his harem. Bathsheba turned out to be a wife who exercised considerable power. After the child of her adulterous liaison with the king died in infancy, Bathsheba?s second son by King David, whose name was Solomon, was destined to succeed King David at his death, though he was not close to being the first-born son and thus the presumed heir to the throne. With the assistance of a priest named Zadok, a military leader named Benaiah and a prophet named Nathan, Bathsheba maneuvered to secure the throne for her son. King Solomon in turn secured the power of the royal family that was destined to rule the people of Judah for over 400 years. That is Bathsheba?s story as found in the Bible. In his genealogy, Matthew traces the royal line from Solomon through the kings of Judah until the royal family was destroyed by the Babylonians in the period of history that is called the Exile. Then he picks up the genealogy and traces it from the Exile to a man named Joseph, The conclusion of his genealogy says ?Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus is born, who is called Christ.? Thus the genealogy with which Matthew opened his gospel and which served to introduce the story of Jesus? ?supernatural? or ?virgin? birth is brought to a conclusion. Now as we come to the end of this opening genealogy ask yourself, what was Matthew?s purpose in beginning his gospel in this way and why did he deem it necessary and appropriate to say that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth began with Abraham and traveled through the royal family, then into the exile and finally it arrives at the life on which the whole story is to focus? Finally, what is he trying to communicate when he places into the background of Jesus, four well known women in Jewish history, all of whom by the standards of that day were sexually compromised women? He is informing his readers at the very opening of his story that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar (Gen. 38), the prostitution of Rahab (Joshua 2, 6), the seduction of Ruth (Ruth 3) and the adultery of Bathsheba (II Samuel 11). That appears to be what the text of Matthew?s gospel reveals. Perhaps that accounts (at least in part) for the fact that throughout most of Christian history, the first 17 verses of Matthew?s first chapter were skipped and ignored. They were called ?the most boring verses in the Bible,? the ?who begat whoms,? and no one was encouraged to look at them or take them seriously. Perhaps this strange introduction reveals that there is far more to the story of the virgin birth than we have imagined in the past. We will continue to look at Matthew?s birth narrative in subsequent weeks. Then we will turn to Luke?s account of Jesus? birth. Studying the Bible can be quite exciting once one removes the blinders of literalism and begins to look at the texts for what they are. So stay tuned. We will move next to Matthew?s proof text found in Isaiah 7:14 and then to the wise men and their familiar gifts. It is a fascinating study. I hope that you are finding it so. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer John McKee, from Texas, writes: Question: I am a retired United Methodist minister of the Central Texas Conference of the UMC and am most interested in your writings. I have not only read, but have copied your articles and used them as a teaching guide for persons I know are interested in a more authentic understanding of Holy Scripture. A question rose in my mind as to the worship practices of the Followers of the Way whom you state remained in those early years (some eighty) as part of synagogue worship. I am aware that Paul had a meeting of the minds, so to speak, with Peter concerning the practice of circumcision of those Gentiles who wished to be part of this new movement. If so, were the Gentile members of the ?Way? welcomed into the synagogue to worship (without being circumcised)? You may have already made a comment about this, but I must not have incorporated it into my thinking. Being in my 82nd year, I am not as alert as I was in my seminary days?Lo!! With appreciation for your ministry, I am a joyous follower of your philosophy. Answer: Dear John, Thank you for your questions and for your years of service in the Methodist ministry. The issue about the early Church is complex and I have probably had to make it seem simpler than it really was. There were a variety of Christian groups in the early years of the Christian Church. Almost all of them were first associated with and shaped by the synagogue. As the movement began to grow beyond the boundaries of Judaism in the 6th decade, they began to attract Gentile attention. Paul was a key figure in this. Some of the more orthodox Jews led by James, the Lord?s brother, and by Peter, at least at the beginning, were insistent that the only way into Christianity was through Judaism and that meant circumcision, kosher laws and Sabbath Day observances. Paul was the champion of those Gentiles who were drawn to theology and liturgy, but not cultic practices. In the early years, there were people who agreed to the orthodox requirements and people who did not. This tension divided the early church rather fiercely. Much of this conflict is reflected in Paul?s letter to the Galatians, written in the early 50?s. I have just finished reading a book by Dr. James D., Tabor, who is chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte who offers a fresh, provocative and insightful perspective on the early years of the Christian movement. His book is entitled Paul and Jesus. I commend that book to you and to all my readers. The meeting of minds with Peter, to which you refer in your letter, was described in the book of Acts (chapter 15), but be warned that Acts is probably a 10th decade piece of work at the earliest, and it specifically champions Paul?s perspective. Furthermore, by the time the book of Acts was written, the battle was over and Christianity was well on its way to becoming a Gentile movement. My emphasis in the article to which you are referring is that long before the church and the synagogue split, which historians choose 88 CE as the most likely year, the Christian faith had become so deeply shaped by synagogue worship and synagogue liturgy, to say nothing of having wrapped Jesus so tightly in both the Jewish Scriptures and Jewish messianic expectation, that the only way we can discover the original meaning of the Jesus story is by recovering that Jewish background and reading the gospels with well-informed Jewish eyes. That is what I sought to do when I wrote what is still my favorite book, Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes, where this material is spelled out more fully than I can do in a question and answer format. I send you my best. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wanaki at frontenac.net Sun Jan 20 06:01:37 2013 From: wanaki at frontenac.net (Ken Fisher) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] News from Realistic Living Message-ID: <288859C4-F9AB-4E28-9E58-F305D8B12DE7@frontenac.net> Dear Colleagues, Here's the news from Realistic Living. Gene turned 81 on January 3rd, and is 'back', after overcoming 'a pause' occasioned by recent surgery. Joyce will be 79 on February 19. They founded Realistic Living in 1984, regularly publishing a journal and many books since that time. I much admire there life-time commitments to social activism and recreating Christian practice and theology for the 21st Century. Here in our little village of Sharbot Lake Ontario, Pat and I use Joyce's Ignatian-like solitary on a near daily basis, and weekly we use the format of RL's Christian Resurgence Circle - dance, study and prayer. We are planning our third trip to Bonham for June. Recently, he wrote (with the significant input of four others) The Road From Empire to Eco-Democracy. It is being well reviewed and used as a study book in a variety of contexts. He has just competed a protean work, The Enigma of Consciousness - A Philosophy of Profound Humanness and Religion. Together, these books represent a comprehensive and futuric tour of a new social vehicle and a new religious mode. For me, they provide contemporary screens for discerning where it is that the human community is having, or can have, breakthroughs in creating a new world. As well, they provide an enthralling invitation to deepen ones personal spirit practices and social engagements. The Road can be ordered from Amazon or from: Gene Marshall 3578 N. State Highway 78 Bonham TX 75418 $21 - postage free Gene Marshall Enigma can be downloaded free from http://www.RealisticLiving.org/PDF/Enigma/ His latest book is entitled The Love of History and the Future of Christianity - A Manifesto for a Post-Christendom Christianity. Every human community is 'awe-struck'. What is unique and worth forwarding into the future about Christianity? We look forward to its completion. Realistic Living's resources can be found at http://www.realisticliving.org/ Staff member Alan Richard, maintains RL's highly imaginative and spiritually informative Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Realistic-Living/199360680077780 May the spirit of love, trust and freedom enliven us all. Ken Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 23:00:01 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e201cdf7a4$ef33a990$cd9afcb0$@comcast.net> Ditto, ditto, and did I say, ditto? Whole fam burst out laughing! From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Sharry Lachman Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:37 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Too funny, Joan. Thanks for sending. Love, Sharry Sharry Lachman, MTP After Cancer Energy Healing sharrylachman at comcast.net 541-342-7887 On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Joan wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beretgriffith at charter.net Mon Jan 21 13:48:36 2013 From: beretgriffith at charter.net (Beret Griffith) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwgflowers at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:49:58 2013 From: dwgflowers at gmail.com (David Flowers) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:49:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: > Send OE mailing list submissions to > oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) > 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 > From: Mary Laura Jones > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: > < > CAA8E2rF4Gf7LA4573j+T7Fh4WGfnqX4jbohPhq1kAWDomwZtBg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > > left a note that read,***** > > > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OE mailing list > > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/88b0683f/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 > From: "Beret Griffith" > To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to > -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I > longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > > > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car > that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left > a note that read, > > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/031111b7/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 > ********************************** > -- David* There is no cup. It's a flame. 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Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 (915) 503-1014 FAX pvida at whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Flowers Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:50 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: Send OE mailing list submissions to oe at lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 From: Mary Laura Jones To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 ********************************** -- David There is no cup. It's a flame. Feed the flame. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 24 07:46:55 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:46:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/24/13, Spong: Inauguration Day 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC8612B151AB5-2244-5236@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Inauguration Day 2013 Inauguration day in America is a time of transition, the proper moment to articulate the hopes and dreams of the future. These things are more vivid if the one to be inaugurated is just beginning his or her presidency, but even when it is the beginning of a second term for a sitting president, it is still a time to take stock, to look at the issues that will confront this leader and to glimpse with anticipation what the future might mean. I suspect that is doubly so as the nation marks the second term of its first African-American president. The whole inauguration weekend was for me a solemn time of renewed convictions about the strength of our nation. I walked through this weekend in an unusual way, which I would like to share with my readers. This year?s inaugural weekend was framed between the 150th anniversary of the issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation by President Lincoln on January 1st, 1863, and the celebration of Martin Luther King?s birthday on January 21st. President Lincoln prepared this proclamation long before he issued it, but waited for the tide of the civil war to turn in the Union?s favor before making it public. The President?s proclamation and executive power needs to be carried on the wings of a strong political tide in order to be effective. The emancipation of the slaves thus depended upon the recognition that the Union forces would be victorious. Following their success in the Battle of Antietam, Mr. Lincoln decided that January 1st, 1863, was the time to make this defining proclamation official. It was thus our reality in 2013 both to note and to celebrate the fact that 150 years and 20 days later, one who bore a racial identity with the slave people, had been twice elected to head this nation. That is the stuff of human dreams. Without Martin Luther King?s work, the presidency of Barack Obama would also not have been possible. For the inauguration of this African-American president to occur on the birthday of the civil rights leader was an incredible serendipity. The weekend began for me and my wife, Christine, at a gala, a black-tie dinner at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey, held to honor and to support the university?s library. That library has, during the years of both my episcopacy and my retirement, been my place of research and study. There I have written some of my books. The administration and faculty of Drew University have welcomed me into their midst and have extended to me the use of that library in remarkable ways. The guests at this library gala were welcomed to the evening personally at the door by the President of Drew, Dr. Vivian A. Bull, and the evening began with a lecture by Dr. David S. Reynolds, the Distinguished Professor at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. His title for this event was: ?Mightier than the Sword: Uncle Tom?s Cabin and the Battle for America.? In his presentation Dr. Reynolds took his audience deeply into the work and impact of Harriet Beecher Stowe?s life-changing novel that was published in 1852. Uncle Tom?s Cabin was destined to sell more copies than any other book in the United States, except the Bible, in the entire 19th century. This book was also turned into a number of plays that were performed countless times over the last half of the 19th century and well into the 20th century. The estimates are that more people saw the play than read the book. Uncle Tom?s Cabin put a face on the cruelty of slavery that nothing else had ever done before. It galvanized the abolitionist movement and in all probability made the civil war inevitable. This book, not surprisingly, was also resisted deeply in parts of the South. Laws were passed in Southern States banning the book, forbidding its sale and distribution and even making it a crime to possess a copy. One person was actually convicted of this crime and was sentenced to ten years in prison. It was not the first time, nor would it be the last, when the guarantees of the Constitution regarding the freedom of speech and expression would be trampled beneath the power of a virulent and fearful prejudice. Racism dies hard. When Dr. Reynolds was asked if he saw anything similar to this negative response to Uncle Tom?s Cabin in the political arena of today, he pointed to the recent use of the language of ?States Rights,? including the claim to the right to nullify federal laws with which the states disagreed, such as the Affordable Care Act and the proposed requirements of a universal background check when purchasing a gun, the banning of assault rifles and their large capacity magazines. At the same time, he pointed to the blatant attempt in the last election to suppress minority votes. It appears that the emotions that led this nation into civil war are still abroad. This evening and this discussion was for us a poignant beginning to the inauguration weekend. On Sunday morning we went to our wonderful parish church, St. Peter?s, Morristown, NJ, where our worship was organized around the observance of the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. The adult class focused on the writings of II Isaiah (chapters 40-55) where the prophet portrays the messianic vocation of the Jewish people under the symbol of the one called ?the Servant? or ?the Suffering Servant.? That book portrayed the role of ?the Servant? to be that of the oppressed and powerless members of our society not trying to get even, but accepting and thus transforming and even draining the anger and hostility of the oppressors and the enslavers. The class compared the ?power? of an Adolph Hitler or a Napoleon Bonaparte, with the ?power? displayed by a Mahatma Gandhi, a Nelson Mandela or a Martin Luther King, Jr., and asked the question whose ?power? was it that ultimately changed the world? When we went to worship we found the Emancipation Proclamation printed on the front of our bulletins. We sang Harry Emerson Fosdick?s great hymn ?God of Grace and God of Glory,? which asks for the strength and courage necessary for ?the living of these days.? We also sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic, We Shall Overcome and Lift Every Voice and Sing, which describes very powerfully what slaves had to endure from their ?masters.? The Bible readings for that day included the charge given to Moses in the book of Exodus ?to go down to Egypt and to set my people free.? The choir sang Negro spirituals like Ride on, King Jesus, and we were treated to one of the most powerful sermons I have ever heard from our rector, the Reverend Janet Broderick, on the lessons learned from the non-violent teachings of Dr. King. All of those things flowed together to prepare me for inauguration day. When that ceremony began the opening prayer was delivered by Myrlie Evers, the widow of Medgar Evers, a black civil rights leader who was murdered in Mississippi in 1963. The inaugural poem was written and read by Richard Blanco, the gay son of immigrant parents. The benediction was delivered by the Rev. Dr. Luis Leon, a Cuban immigrant, who serves at St. John?s Episcopal Church, across the street from the White House. A diverse nation was on display. For those of us who had lived through those days of transition there was great joy. The climax of the inaugural ceremony was the address from our newly installed president. It focused primarily on domestic affairs, as the world faded into the background with its ten years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and even the worldwide economic collapse that greeted his first term. It was a moving speech both in content and in symbol. An African-American president began his second term by quoting Martin Luther King, Jr., by referring to ?Stonewall,? the place where the gay rights movement had begun, by emphasizing the oneness of the people who populate this land, made up, as he said, of those with different skin colors, different genders and different sexual orientations. He called our nation?s leaders not to solve the problems of the ages, but to address the issues ?of this day.? He singled out the plight of women who still suffer from vast economic disparities. His critics would later call it a ?left-wing? agenda. I call it a ?moral vision? for our nation rooted in the values of our American past. As we listened throughout the day, signs of the birth of a new political sensitivity were apparent. Senator Schumer of New York introduced his Republican co-chair of the Inaugural Committee, Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, as ?my colleague and my friend.? Former President Jimmy Carter reported on former President George H.W. Bush?s health, revealing both a recent telephone call and a longer time friendship. The wife of Republican majority leader, Eric Cantor, had served with Senator Schumer?s wife in picking and tasting the menu for the inaugural luncheon. Small signs, yes, but every long journey starts with a single, small step. When the day was over, the nation settled down to wait for action. I believe we will receive it. My reasons for optimism are these: A far more comfortable and confident president is in the White House, a Senate with an increased Democratic majority has lost its most extreme negative voices to either retirement or to resignation, the House has a decreased Republican majority led by a leader, who now shows signs of being fed up with his far right vocal minority. I expect him, not to surrender his principles, but to seek common ground for the nation?s well-being. All of them see an aroused electorate, weary of political posturing, yearning to see pragmatic action, not continued brinkmanship. Half a step forward is better than no step or even a step backward. Perhaps inauguration day harbors good things to come. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Charles Bond from Rockford, Michigan, writes: Question: I understand and support that ?you do not think of God theistically,? i.e. what could be called the God of the Old Testament. But, as I have read, the study of theology is based on accepting the fact that a transcendent reality called God truly exists, i.e. there is a God existing outside the material universe, but having an influence or some sort of presence on earth. Do you believe in this concept of a transcendent God and, if so, do the experiences of the disciples and apostles that you attribute to them being transformed into their world-conquering evangelism represent an example of God?s actions here on earth through the mind invasions that produced their seeing an image of Jesus? These concepts seem to me to be a necessary part of including in any ?New Christianity.? What do you think? Answer: Dear Charles, Thank you for your letter. It reveals, however, the constant problem we have in trying to develop a working concept of God. Does God exist? Existence is a human category, describing a human perspective. Can God be bound with that kind of vocabulary? Transcendent is another human word that I use, but it is not a word that applies to God. It applies to our experience, to a human awareness that there is something real beyond our ability to know or even to perceive. What we must do is to recognize that we human beings can in the last analysis say nothing about God; all we can describe is our human experience and in that experience, we assert that we believe that we touch ?otherness,? transcendence, and the word we have used to identify that experience is ?GOD.? Are we simply being deluded? I do not think so. Is there something real that calls us beyond the limits of the human? I believe there is. That is as far as I can go in discussing God. It is not satisfactory to those for whom God is part of their personal security system. It is, however, enough for me because whatever I experience God to be drives me deeper into the commitment to live fully, love wastefully and to be all that I can be. The disciples clearly had an experience of Jesus following his death that convinced them that death could not contain his life and that they could see a God presence in him that was beyond any human boundary. That was resurrection. When they tried to explain it, we got stories of graves that were empty and visions that inspired. The New Christianity will have to see language and theology, creeds and doctrines as pointers to truth not vessels in which truth is somehow captured. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements A Note from Progressive Christianity.org We are pleased to inform our readers that John Shelby Spong's book Re-Claiming the Bible for a Non-Religious World has been named one of the ten best religious books published in 2011, by Lee Harmon, a well-known religious blogger (The Dubious Disciple). Harmon called Bishop's Spong's book: "A thoroughly enjoyable journey through the Bible, detailing each book's origin and historical setting. Possibly Spong's best." 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Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. To send condolences, please visit: www.fostermcgarvey.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 24 13:13:55 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:13:55 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In-Reply-To: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> References: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <30B1C2E9-B079-4BCE-A604-D86D7DA932C3@optusnet.com.au> Dear OliveAnn and Jim, Thank you very much for sending on this sad information. We have send a note of condolence. Sincerely, Isobel Bishop. On 25/01/2013, at 6:49 AM, Jim & OliveAnn Slotta wrote: > In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of > Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's > mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary > and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. > > Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver > > WOODBURY, Mary > Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on > Saturday, January 19, 2013. > She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, > Ontario. > Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. > They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also > remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. > Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and > Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. > Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books > for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the > Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta > women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of > achievements. > A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 > - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. > To send condolences, please visit: > www.fostermcgarvey.com > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfwiegel at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 11:41:35 2013 From: jfwiegel at yahoo.com (James Wiegel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:41:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] A guy named Jack McCarthy died last week. A poet. Message-ID: <1359142895.82395.YahooMailClassic@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I never heard of him until today.? Listen to 2 poems? -- The Victory and When the Cholesterol Catches Up With Me. http://standupoet.net/ Jim Wiegel ". . . In this whole world i don't know a more sly, more cunning, useful virtue than sheer dizzy pluck!" The Odyssey A Modern Sequel. Nikos Kazantzakis 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401 +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel jfwiegel at yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Feb 12-13, May 14-15, Sept 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Nov 5-6, 2013 Facilitation Graphics, March 19, 2013 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday of each month 1-4 pm Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Current program began on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. 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John will acknowledge Mary's passing on the day of her memorial service (Jan. 26) on his blog. Sometimes the wording of the blog is appropriate to the passing and sometimes it is just an acknowledgement at the end of the blog. If Jim has access to the Woodberry's e-mail, perhaps you could forward the blog to them, or else let us have the address and we'll send it. What do you know about her books? Hope you folks are wintering well. We are iced in a bit today, but it isn't scheduled to last long. Winter greetings, Lynda _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jim & OliveAnn Slotta Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:49 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver WOODBURY, Mary Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on Saturday, January 19, 2013. She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, Ontario. Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. 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Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 31564 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Sun Jan 27 15:16:21 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering In-Reply-To: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> References: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6C997DA0-211D-47FE-88DB-D0296B3BA0B9@charter.net> For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: > We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. > > > > > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > > ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die." Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock ________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? 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What fun that cruise will be! Love, Dorothea From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:23 PM To: oe at wedgeblade.net; mcle at msn.com Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Marianna Bailey > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM > *To:* Order Ecumenical Community > *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering > > For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of > names and more pictures would be appreciated! > The Baileys > On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: > >> We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last >> night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the >> McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their >> old assignment in Bon Toa. >> >> >> >> >> >> George Holcombe >> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >> Austin, TX 78728 >> Mobile 512/252-2756 >> >> "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships >> that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted >> and allow them to wither and die." 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URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 31 09:28:52 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:28:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/31/13, Spong: Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCDEF9297ADA1-D20-5686B@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 He was a remarkable man, a superior lawyer and one who worked on the Manhattan Project during World War II. He had many, many friends and I was privileged to be one of them. I knew him for 35 of his 107 years. More than that, I knew him in some deeply personal settings. I walked with him as his wife Dorothy sank into a state of unknowing. It was the onset of her dementia that caused him to move with her into a setting where she could be cared for and he could be near enough to share time with her every day. The sad thing was that increasingly she was not aware of that care that was constant and deeply loving. Malcolm would go to her room each day to visit, to sit, to eat a meal with her, to play the piano and even to sing to her in the hope that something of his love and concern would be communicated. I will never forget him singing ?Annie Laurie? to his uncommunicative wife. I also knew him as an energetic and vigorously competitive tennis player. Malcolm and I played doubles as part of a tennis foursome every Friday morning for almost 20 years. Malcolm was clearly the best of our six players ? six because schedule conflicts made two regular substitutes necessary. Whoever teamed with Malcolm generally won. Malcolm is the third of those six players at whose funerals I have been privileged to speak. In effect, Malcolm forced me to retire from tennis, because when he defeated me consistently when he was over 92, I knew I had no future in this game. I knew him as a devoted member of Christ Church in Short Hills, New Jersey. He was a sidesman ? that is Christ Church, Short Hills, vocabulary for a lay reader or chalice bearer. He was also the regular narrator at their Christmas Pageant. Though active in his church, Malcolm was an uncomfortable Christian. That is, he was uncomfortable with traditional, ecclesiastical thinking and ecclesiastical language. He knew how to separate the authenticity of his own God experience from the explanation placed on that experience by the ecclesiastical institution ? explanations that were to him always both time bound and time warped. So he sat loosely to creeds, to liturgical forms and to doctrinal concerns. In this, Malcolm and I found common ground and became kindred spirits. He was also an avid reader of every book that I wrote over the course of our friendship. Many times, I seemed to articulate in my writing the religious concerns he always had. Yet he was faithful and persistent in his constant quest for truth and for insight, even for that truth and insight that are so often lost in creedal formulations. It was this intellectual and even theological interest that was the glue that bound us together over the years. When our Friday morning tennis court time was up we would sit around a table over coffee and have what was frequently a mini-theological seminar. Over the years, many topics were covered and some of those discussions would find their way into the content of my writing, but without footnotes attributing the ideas to Malcolm. When tennis became a thing of the past with both of us, we still met once or twice a year for dinner and an evening of conversation together. Those times took place primarily in the dining room of the institution in which he was living. They would begin regularly with hors d?oeuvres and drinks served in his room before we would go downstairs for dinner. As the years rolled by those meals became only an annual event. We celebrated Malcolm?s birthday together every June from the time he turned 100 until his 107th birthday this past summer when we saw him for the last time. He was bright, alert and ready to tell us about what had become an annual ritual in which he was honored at the Princeton University graduation as their oldest living alumnus. Malcolm held that title and even set a record that is longer than anyone else in Princeton?s history. He outlived every Princeton alumnus in at least the seven years following his graduation. It was at his 100th birthday dinner that my most indelible memory of Malcolm occurred. He greeted his guests, dressed in his tuxedo, wearing an imposing Abraham Lincoln type top hat on his head, and with his children and grandchild at his side. Christine and I were honored to be among the few non-family members present at this gathering. By this time, I was long retired, but I continued my book writing career and Malcolm had continued to read and to comment on my work. When I published what I presumed was to be my last book entitled, Jesus for the Non-Religious, a title that appealed to Malcolm and with which he identified, I turned my attention to a long held passion of mine to explore the meaning of the claim that we Christians make that death is not the end of our personhood. When we went to this 100th birthday dinner, I had begun what was to be some massive reading of all aspects of this vast subject. I was certainly not sure that this study would ever result in a book, but I knew I would enjoy the exploration. In the course of that 100th birthday gathering, near the end when people were preparing to leave, Malcolm turned to me and out of the richness of our past conversations said, ?Well, Jack, what are you working on now?? I responded, ?Malcolm, I am trying to find a doorway that will allow me to talk about life after death in such a way that a scientifically trained citizen of the 21st century could respond without turning off his or her brain.? I thought that Malcolm at age 100 might have some existential interest in this subject. I was not prepared for his response. He broke into a loud and a sustained laughter that left me standing with the quizzical smile of one who is slightly embarrassed. I was trying to brace myself for whatever his verbal response might be, but feeling somewhat vulnerable. When he finally ceased his laughter, he replied, ?That is the silliest thing I?ve ever heard of you trying to do.? Before I could say a word, he went on to pose what he saw as my problem. ?Who are you going to interview for this project?? he asked. ?Where are you going to do your research into this subject? Your passport may get you to China? he continued, ?but it will never get you to the place where that question can be studied.? Finally, he concluded his comments by saying: ?If this turns into a book it will be the shortest book of your career. It will have three lines: 1. Nobody knows, 2. Nobody can find out, 3. The End.? When he finally fell silent and I had a chance to pick myself up off the floor, I offered Malcolm two points in reply. First, the fact is that this subject, which might be called both ?the unknown and the unknowable,? has never stopped human speculation. The greatest libraries of the world contain countless volumes in which learned men and women have sought to explore humanity?s ultimate limit and the source of humanity?s deepest anxiety. Some of those volumes have become classics in the literature of the western world. One thinks of Dante?s The Divine Comedy, John Milton?s Paradise Lost and Paradise Regained or Paul Bunyan?s Pilgrim?s Progress, for example. More important, however, I told Malcolm, I did not in this project plan to engage in speculation into the unknown. I rather planned to approach life after death through the medium of life itself ? about which a great deal can be known. Can I go so deeply enough into the meaning of life that I can touch the limits? Can I discover the edge of humanity where it appears to enter the divine, where time ceases and eternity begins and where the barriers that surround life fade away and we discover that there is a universal consciousness in which we all participate? If I can do that, it will be through that means that I will approach the subject of life after death. Although still skeptical, Malcolm at least began to understand that I was not on a mission to affirm the pious claims of traditional religion or to defend the popular ecclesiastical definitions of God, who seemed to use life after death as a method of behavior control or even to affirm the reality of those now empty realms that we have in the past called heaven and hell. When my study did lead to a book that was published in 2009 under the title Eternal Life: A New Vision: Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism, Beyond Heaven and Hell, I took a copy of it as my gift to Malcolm when we attended his 104th birthday party and later received from him his imprimatur. Malcolm approved of that book because of who Malcolm was and how Malcolm lived. The only way I know how to approach the subject of eternity is to live fully in the present. The only way I know to discuss timelessness is to engage deeply and fully the gift of time that we now have. The only way I know how to approach the idea of divinity is to be fully human now, expanding all limits, transcending all barriers. I understand God as the Source of life empowering me to live fully; as the Source of love enabling me to love wastefully; as the Ground of Being giving me the courage to be everything I am capable of being. So it is in living fully, loving wastefully and being all that I can be that I experience the presence of God and it was, I am fully convinced, this same God experience that caused the followers of Jesus to view him as one in whom and through whom God was present. So they said of Jesus: ?God was in Christ.? What this phrase was seeking to communicate is that somehow, in someway, through some means, they saw the presence of God in the fully alive, wastefully-loving Jesus. This was the God that Malcolm also understood and this was the God with whom Malcolm lived. He worshiped this God of life, love and being by living fully, by loving wastefully and by being all that he could be. To Malcolm, God was not a being to be pleased, so much as God was a verb to be lived. He was a remarkable man. I am glad I knew him. I am confident that in his life he crossed the barrier where time enters eternity, where the human enters the divine and where the consciousness of the universe begins to include the consciousness of this incredible man. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer George Gardiner from Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada, writes: Question: You are of the persuasion that Jesus was deserted by his disciples. Do you believe that is ?literally? true? Does that mean you are ?literally? selective of the Bible as you accuse the fundamentalists of being? My feeling is this: no matter what we do or accomplish in the ?physical? realm ultimately we will make that final journey alone. Regardless of the number of people who are ?present? or have taken up ?our? cause, we face death one on one. P.S. I hold your work and world view in very high regard. Thanks very much for that and all that you have done for me and those like me. Answer: Dear George, It is not quite as you seem to imagine. I don?t treat anything in the Bible as literally true, for most of it is interpretive material not the work of eyewitnesses. This is especially true of the gospels that are written 40-70 years after the crucifixion and in Greek, a language that none of his disciples spoke. That hardly makes for a literal text. Not to be literal, however, does not mean that the substance of the text is not true. The first gospel, Mark, is quite clear that when Jesus was arrested, all of the disciples forsook him and fled (see Mark 14:50). The later gospels temper that in various ways to whitewash this apostolic abandonment. Mark even has Jesus quote Zechariah (Strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered) to justify their abandonment. One does not do that unless the abandonment was real. By the time the gospels were written, the disciples were heroes. Yet the fact of their abandonment was so deep in Christian memory that it could not be omitted, so it was explained and justified as the fulfillment of scripture. Those are the things that have convinced me that the abandonment of Jesus by the disciples is a fact of history. I hope this clarifies your question. Thanks for writing. John Shelby Spong Announcements New events added to the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar! Like this one: Title: ?Eternal Life: A New Vision ? Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism. Beyond Heaven and Hell? Apr 12-14 2013 Center for Faith Studies at Countryside Community Event: Friday-Sunday Sat. 9 a.m. Lecture (Registration 8 a.m.) 11 a.m. Lecture Sun. 9 a.m. Worship 11 a.m. Worship followed by Talk Back Session United Church of Christ 8787 Pacific Street Omaha, NE 68114 Contact: Cyndi Kugler Tel: 402 391-0350 x 121 E-mail: cyndik at countrysideucc.org Visit the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Tue Jan 1 09:16:56 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <148eb.5947dbd2.3e147408@aol.com> Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coevolutionacademy at juno.com Tue Jan 1 09:41:45 2013 From: coevolutionacademy at juno.com (coevolutionacademy at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 17:41:45 GMT Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: <20130101.124145.13595.0@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always),Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes:John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KarenBueno at aol.com Tue Jan 1 10:15:55 2013 From: KarenBueno at aol.com (KarenBueno at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:15:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Message-ID: Someone refresh my memory of how Bultmann uses the term power in talking about God. Karen Bueno In a message dated 1/1/2013 10:42:33 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, coevolutionacademy at juno.com writes: Wow! Thanks Jann, Happy New Year everyone! Rose Anne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LAURELCG at aol.com To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] power, energy, force Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Randy, IMHO, Energy is everywhere, inside and out. Dr. Hawkins probably uses "force" the way you've been using "power" and "power" the way you use "energy." >From Power vs. Force, 2004, p. xxxvi: "Power v. Force presents a logically compelling anatomy of consciousness that lays out the arch of human spiritual evolution from its lowest expression (shame) to its highest (Enlightenment). It illumines the oneness of all creation by revealing the energy essence of everything that exists - human and non-human, seen and unseen. All of life is revealed to be a pulsating symphony of interplaying energies 'The mutual dependence and interpenetration of all things is observable as one leaves duality. Oneness is central to all of the major religions and spiritual systems as the ultimate reality underlying and within all forms.'" His levels of consciousness move up a logarithmic scale, from shame (20), guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride (175). Courage at 200 is the tipping point which moves the subject from negative force to power that sustains and contributes to life. After courage come neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love (500), joy, peace, enlightenment (700 - 1000). Jesus and other great avatars enlightened. The human form can't sustain at higher than 1000. He has retired from teaching, but pioneered medical uses for applied kinesiology. Read my book to see how I consulted a kinesiologist for dietary advice when I had stage III lymphoma in 1999. (_http://booklocker.com/books5100.html_ (http://booklocker.com/books5100.html) ) (plug, plug) Blessings in 2013 (and always), Jann In a message dated 12/31/2012 5:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force. ____________________________________________________________ _Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... _ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _ConsumerLifestyles.net_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/50e31ff3edce1ff24963st02vuc) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From llc860 at triad.rr.com Tue Jan 1 10:32:11 2013 From: llc860 at triad.rr.com (Lynda Cock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Message-ID: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Tue Jan 1 11:47:36 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:47:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB66FFB9C75A3-8C8-75478@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Ellie Stock -----Original Message----- From: Sarah H. Buss To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:04 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] Fwd: quick thought on compassion Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Sarah Buss Date: December 31, 2012, 1:58:12 PM CST To: oe at list.wedgeblade.net Cc: Sarah Buss Subject: quick thought on compassion _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:02:43 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:02:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] The light ... Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. May the LIGHT of the new year bring brightness and warmth as we care for the planet and each other within the earth community. The light has always returned following the darkness, it is indeed happening once again.. With love, Nancy [image: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME] *PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME* 22K Download -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancy at songaia.com Tue Jan 1 21:07:44 2013 From: nancy at songaia.com (Nancy Lanphear) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:07:44 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT Message-ID: Dear Ones, Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. With love, Nancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAME Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From koshin at centurytel.net Wed Jan 2 03:45:36 2013 From: koshin at centurytel.net (Bob Hanson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 05:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting In-Reply-To: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> References: <117C698F51474E6996FCB755679739E4@LyndaPC> Message-ID: <006301cde8de$aef3cf10$0cdb6d30$@centurytel.net> Thanks to both of you and a blessing along the way as you journey through another year. As to the poems, any time now in a word file and a three to five line bio for each. Still not sure about what my actions should be with our young man out in CO. Any updates. It look now like I will be in Boulder for two weeks, at least one this summer. It is still a bit up in the air. Let me know. Have a wonderful time friends. peace, ko shin, Bob Hanson N8311 County Road N, Neshkoro, WI 54960 Emily Dick-in-son wrote, "If I feel phys-i-cally as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry." Who says my poems are poems? My poems are not poems at all! Only when you understand that my poems are not poems can we begin to talk about poems.. Ryokan, Japanese poet Author/Complier of The Inner Passage, a book of Poetry & Photo's by Ko shin and Friends, Can be ordered from the ko shin, Amazon.com and purchsed at Woodland Pattern in Milwaukee, WI http://2012koshindharambumontheroadagain.blogspot.com/ Ko shin's Blogs: http://chasingwindmillswhynot.blogspot.com/ Face Book: Bob koshin Hanson Tweeter: 1940oldman 920 293 8856 Home 414 234 0954 Cell skype 920 240 4325 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:32 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'; 'Colleague Dialogue' Subject: [Oe List ...] Year-end Reflecting Happy 2013 to all! As we reflect on 2012 and anticipate 2013, we give great thanks for this virtual community that helps sustain us. Especially, we have enjoyed hearing greetings from so many of you. Following our "Journey Reflection" year-end custom, here are some links you might appreciate. 2012 Reflection: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/2012-reflections.html 2013 Anticipation: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2013/01/your-2013-anticipations.html Top-viewed December blog posts: http://rejourney.blogspot.com/2012/12/journey-reflection-blog-review-decembe r.html We celebrate with you what was, is, and is coming to be. Lynda and John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Pris at TeamTechPress.com Wed Jan 2 09:07:33 2013 From: Pris at TeamTechPress.com (Priscilla Wilson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:07:33 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] LIGHT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468FF2DD-081F-47AB-8808-ADB3741DB53C@TeamTechPress.com> Nancy, Thank you for your reflections?and the poem. As usual you give us word pictures so we can see you and your life. The new communities next to Songaia sound exciting. Son, Ben has redone my web site which triggered me to go back to check out all the posts I had put there. Some time ago I had posted a letter you sent about our wonderful visit in Oregon. I hope you don't mind, butI slightly changed it from the "I" of you writing it to sound more like a "we" report of us all. (Not sure that sentence makes sense?but?} The web site is: www.teamtechpress.com He has revamped the site so that I don't have to bother him with making changes, but I can now do that. I've been a glorious week in MN with Ben and family. I fly back home this afternoon and return to more normal (?) life. The book that Kaze and I are writing has had its first run with an editor. Now Kaze is coming to KC mid-Jan to continue on the next phase of the book. We should reach the publishing phase during 2013?that is the plan anyway. Love, Priscilla On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Nancy Lanphear wrote: > Dear Ones, > > Once again, this year has been a year of endings and a year of beginnings. As I am challenged to maintain an open heart and mind about the present and future of our planet and human life, I find the conversations within our meditation group to be helpful. How do I/we celebrate life and it's gifts available to us AND share the grief of peoples/creatures of our world who live in fear, terror and starvation? Several years ago I discovered a poem by Thich Nhat Hahn that spoke to me then and continues to speak as his words return to my thoughts. It speaks to the dilemma that I feel daily... holding images of the whole of existence. My own poetry writing is at a plateau at this moment and so I choose to share words from a mentor and friend. Please see the attached poem, PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES. > > It has been two years since Fred's passing from his earthly life to journey-on in whatever form beautiful energy can be found. Our family and friends continue to share memories of Fred - often laughing, making jokes and shedding tears as we tell stories, singing one of his favorite songs, looking at his photos .... my 7 year old neighbor Alex asked me the other day if he could see some photos of Grandpa Fred who is a vibrant presence in our lives; in the lives of young and old. Our community, my beloved community of Songaia is so present in my life. We are in the midst of creating a larger neighborhood that includes 2 other communities whose properties are adjacent to ours, in fact they include some of the original Songaia members who have moved and opened the doors for new members on the original property. The garden was incredibly beautiful this past summer with the creative guidance of Patricia Newkirk as garden manager along with our own community Biogaians, many volunteers and our first 3 garden interns. Our new web site in process can be seen ... www.songaia.com > > Fred's and my whole family gathered this afternoon with the exception of our oldest grand daughter, Ilaria ( Bob and Nina's daughter) who is in Scotland with her significant other, Nico. They will be back in Seattle in January for a few months. I always look forward to our holiday time together, each family; Bob, Ann, Noah (19), Noah's girlfriend Carla and Mason (17) who live in Seattle; Bruce, Nancy, Rachel, Ella and Martha from Vancouver, BC; Sandra, Paul, Alex and Matthew Krause from Redmond, WA. We shared a jointly prepared meal on Christmas evening, all attended the movie of Les Miserables on the day after Christmas - this was a highlight of our time together. Wanting another opportunity to be together before scattering once again, we shared a meal on Friday and concluded the evening choosing our animal totems for the year. Mine was the hummingbird - A GIFT OF JOY. Choosing the animal cards have been a practice of our family over the years - it allows our gratitude to go beyond the human realm into the circle of the whole EARTH COMMUNITY. > > Reconnecting with old friends has been part of my spiritual practice this year. It has mostly been done through emails and letters, some phone calls and visits. Sharing experiences with those of my age along with those my children's ages has added to my sense of gratitude for the part they have played in my life. Reaching out to families of those with ALS and /or other illnesses and limitations is also a part of my spiritual practice. > > I hope this message finds you in a place of wellness and healing. May the new year be one of care for the planet and each other within the earth community. > > With love, > > Nancy _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net Priscilla Wilson TeamTech Press 913-432-2107 Pris at TeamTechPress.com www.TeamTechPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 3 09:39:12 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] =?utf-8?q?1/03/13=2C_Spong=3A_The_Birth_of_Jesus=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Part_VI=2E_Rahab_the_Prostitute=3A_The_Second_Woman_in_Matthew?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Genealogy?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFB7F05FECE9BF-EB0-37F6@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VI. Rahab the Prostitute: The Second Woman in Matthew?s Genealogy The second woman mentioned in the genealogy of Matthew comes out of a story told in the book of Joshua. One can read the details in chapters two and six of that book. There are two things that are noteworthy about this woman. First, she is not a Jew, rather she is a citizen of Jericho and thus presumably a Canaanite, i.e. a Gentile. Second, she is introduced and described in a single word, ?harlot,? that is, Rahab was a prostitute, she sold sex for gain. Rahab had clearly entered the folk lore of both Judaism and Christianity for there are references to her in the Hebrew Scriptures in the book of Job: 9:13 and 26:12, in the Psalms: 87:4 and 89:10 and in the book of Isaiah 30:7 and 51:9. In addition to this reference in Matthew?s genealogy, she is also referred to in the Christian Scriptures in two places, Hebrews 11:3 and James 2:35. It is difficult to establish any dependency between Matthew and these other New Testament references, so we have to assume that the story of Rahab must have been a popular one in both Judaism and in early Christianity. In this column today, I want to recount the narrative of Rahab as it appears in the book of Joshua. The context is this: Moses has died in the wilderness of Moab and has been buried by God acting alone in a mysterious and unknown grave, or that is at least the story we receive in the last chapter of Deuteronomy (34). Joshua, Moses? number one military captain, has assumed the position of the leader of these wandering, nomadic people. As if to validate Joshua with an aura of Moses, a crossing of a body of water in Red Sea fashion has been promised to Joshua at the Jordan River. Beyond that river lay the first military prize for the invading Hebrews, the fortified and walled city of Jericho. While the people were encamped west of the Jordan preparing for that miraculous crossing, Joshua sent two men to spy on Jericho. These spies are unnamed, but they presumably managed to cross the river in daylight and enter the city, the gates of which were not closed until nightfall. They immediately went, as if by some pre-arranged plan, to the house of Rahab the prostitute. Perhaps there was some kind of prior relationship. Perhaps they sought out this house, the only local brothel, for their own entertainment. Perhaps it made strategic sense. Rahab?s house was conveniently located, built as it was into the wall that encircled the city. Certainly a brothel might have been chosen simply to serve to give the spies cover. We will never know. There is certainly the probability that this location and the service Rahab offered were well known to citizens and strangers alike. It was certainly in the ?public domain.? Reality says that for a stranger to enter the city and go straight to the house of Rahab would arouse little suspicion. Whatever the reason or reasons, it was to Rahab?s house that Joshua?s spies went and there, the text says, ?they lodged.? It seems that they remained there for several days. In time, their presence became known. It would certainly arouse suspicion if regular customers were rebuffed because of the presence of these strangers, and the public utterances of miffed regular customers would surely start rumors flying. In any event, their presence quickly came to the attention of the authorities in Jericho, including the king. Almost immediately they were defined as spies who had illegally entered the land. So the king, apparently knowing where they were, sent a deputation of soldiers to the house of Rahab with orders for the spies to come forth, presumably to be executed, for that was the normal fate of spies. Rahab, however, turns out to be more loyal to the spies than she is to her city, so when she gets wind of the danger, she not only hides the spies, but she lies to the king?s messengers about their continued presence. She did not deny that they had been there, since that seemed to have been a well-established fact. She admitted that they had visited, but that she had no idea where they were from or what their business was in Jericho. They have now gone, she said, telling the authorities that the two men had departed before the gates of the city had been closed when darkness fell. What might have been her motives? Perhaps she was just protecting her customers. Perhaps she had already developed a relationship with one of the spies that altered her priorities. Whatever the reason, Rahab urged the king?s representatives to pursue these spies rapidly for their departure from city, she said, had been recent and they could surely be overtaken. All the while, according to this narrative, Rahab has taken these men to the roof of her house and has hidden them under stalks of flax that were ?laid in order? on her roof. The king?s men took Rahab at her word and pursued what they thought were the escaping spies to the Jordan River and across it into the surrounding countryside. When the pursuers had left the city, the gates were closed for the night. No one could now leave and the pursuers could not return until the dawn when the gates were reopened. Rahab then goes to the roof to uncover her hidden guests. She speaks to them as one who knows they are destined to conquer Jericho. She tells them that fear of the invading Hebrews had fallen upon her fellow citizens and has caused their courage to melt away. She tells them that the people have heard of the miracle at the Red Sea and of their conquest of the Amorites in the wilderness and that the citizens of Jericho feel themselves doomed. Then she extracts an oath from the two spies. As I have protected you and dealt kindly with you, she said, I am prepared to continue to serve you by helping you escape. You must first, however, give me a sign that when your people conquer Jericho, you will repay my kindness by sparing my family from death. That means, she says, not just my life but those of my father, my mother, my brothers and sisters, their spouses and children. The spies agreed. ?Our lives for your life and those of your extended family? was the deal and it seemed to them a fair bargain. So it was agreed. A sign was established. Rahab was to hang a scarlet cord in the window of her house in that protective wall. This cord would be seen by all who passed by. The spies swore that all who were gathered in this house with the scarlet cord would be spared. Then Rahab made a rope and lowered each of the spies in a basket to the ground outside the wall and thus to safety. She instructed them to go to the hills through which their pursuers had already swept and hide there for three days until their pursuers had returned to the city. Their escape was successful and, after three days in the woods, they returned to Joshua with their report. The people of Jericho are faint hearted, the spies said, they know the Lord has given Jericho and its people into our hands. Rahab then disappears from the drama until the conquest of Jericho occurs in chapter six. In the meantime, the swollen, flooded waters of the Jordan have been split, in Red Sea-like fashion, and the army of the Hebrews has crossed that river bed on dry land. Then they set up siege positions outside the walls of the city of Jericho. For six days, the army would walk around those walls following the Ark of the Lord, attended by priests blowing constantly on their trumpets, which in fact were shofars or the horns of a ram. On the seventh day, the Hebrew army walked around the city walls seven times with the ram?s horns being blown constantly. When the seventh journey around the walls was complete, the trumpets blew a long and sustained blast and then the people shouted with loud shouts and, we are told, the walls around Jericho fell to the ground. Perhaps the sound vibrations from the shofars and the shouting people were more than their structures could tolerate. Perhaps the miraculous aspects of this story were enhanced with its telling as the years rolled by. This narrative, as a matter of fact, was not written until some 300 years after this event was supposed to have taken place. The important thing for our purpose is to note that this book says that Joshua and his army destroyed Jericho, putting everyone to the edge of the sword ? all men, all women, all old people, all young people and all the animals in an act of genocidal fury. True to their word, however, they spared all those who gathered in the house of Rahab. Joshua gave specific orders, ?Search out the harlot?s house and bring out of it the woman and all who belong to her as we promised.? The book of Joshua concludes with the story of Rahab by saying that Rahab the harlot was saved and all her household ?and she dwelt in Israel until this day.? Matthew from some source declared that she married a man named Salmon. Was he one of the two spies? Once again, we will never know, but Matthew asserts that Salmon and Rahab had a baby boy whose name was Boaz and that the line from Salmon went through Boaz to Obed to Jesse to David, who became the King of the Hebrew nation, and that this line would lead directly to Jesus of Nazareth, who was of the house of David.. So this is the second woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus. The first was guilty of an incestuous relationship with her father-in-law, the second was a prostitute. Matthew is introducing the story of Jesus? birth. He is establishing the Jewish roots of Jesus as well as his royal roots. He is also stating in a loud and provocative way that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth traveled through incest and harlotry. Why would he introduce the virgin birth this way? What is his agenda? What is his purpose? The story moves on and so does Matthew?s genealogy. When this column resumes, we will introduce the third of the ?shady ladies? in Matthew?s genealogy. She is a seductress. So stay tuned. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Bill Echols via the Internet, writes: Question: In talking to a friend, I stated my opinion that ?in future years, I believe Bishop Spong will be looked upon as one of the greatest theologians of our time.? I was wondering, do you consider yourself a theologian? Why or why not? Also, who are some of the past and current theologians you would recommend for study? Thank you for living your faith so beautifully and courageously. You have certainly been an inspiration in my life. Answer: Dear Bill, I think it is fair to say that only my mother would agree with your assessment of my place in history, so for now I am happy to have two votes. Thank you for your confidence. I consider myself a theologically and biblically-trained communicator. I study daily. I read the great theologians and the great biblical scholars constantly so that I can communicate their thoughts to other people. I certainly do not list myself among them. The mountain top theologians of the Christian tradition would surely include Paul, Origen, Augustine, Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther and John Calvin. I would also add to that list some more modern thinkers like Soren Kierkegaard, Friederick Schleiermacher, Paul Tillich, Hans Kung and Edward Schillebeeckx . Sometimes the best way to study these giants is to read those who can communicate their insights in a language that people can understand. That is where I come in and I am certainly not unusual or special. People like Marcus Borg, John Crossan, Martin Marty, James Cone, Karen Armstrong, Elaine Pagels and James Carroll are just a few of the communicating giants in our day. Than you for your letter and for your comments. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements Happy New Year to all you believers in exile! May it be a year full of light and love. Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer > illiterate.**** > > ** ** > > *Del* > > ** ** > > Del Hunter Morrill**** > > 3217 North Mason Avenue**** > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419**** > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757**** > > *delhmor at wamail.net* > > *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com*** > > * * > > *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph > Campbell)* > > * * > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:10:21 2013 From: liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com (Lynn Brailsford) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:10:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> Message-ID: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Try clicking 'unread mail'. Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 5 18:40:31 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:40:31 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <07f601cdebb2$fc3cee10$f4b6ca30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A752F50-48A5-473C-986C-27BF0E4256BB@optusnet.com.au> Dar Lynn, Thanks very much for this clue ..'! Del, it will be clear to you that many of us -though we could not help you ourselves, are also learning some new tips ! ( now I know about ' unread mail..' ) May 2013 bring unquenchable hope in all our lives, and good health, with peace. Isobel Bishop, in Australia, where it is a raging bush fire season with extreme temperatures; in a number of parts of the continent again On 06/01/2013, at 1:10 PM, Lynn Brailsford wrote: > Try clicking ?unread mail?. > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe- > bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 8:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have > 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come > into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to > ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 > once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. > Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to > bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate > any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph > Campbell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Sat Jan 5 19:49:17 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:49:17 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130105194917.97830361@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish Kenneth Boulding could have been part of the conversation. > http://www.dw.de/program/quadriga/s-7296-9798 Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel at yahoo.com Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of others, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods: Feb 12-13, 2013, May 21-22, 2013, Sep 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday (1-4 pm) of the month Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. From delhmor at wamail.net Mon Jan 7 12:54:10 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 13:10:51 2013 From: liveandlearn.lynn at gmail.com (Lynn Brailsford) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Message-ID: <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top.on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mellowmilan at verizon.net Mon Jan 7 13:21:48 2013 From: mellowmilan at verizon.net (Milan Hamilton) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:21:48 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> <091701cded1b$7a373230$6ea59690$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301cded1d$014b50c0$03e1f240$@net> It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Sunny From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 5:36 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I have checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the side without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing of e-mails I wish to keep) MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) CALENDAR CONTACTS TASKS NOTES Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails in junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the "search" folders toward the bottom. MM From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) Take care, Lynn Brailsford Consulting LLC Asheville, NC 28806 brailsfordconsulting.com 201-805-6103 (m) 828-398-0618 (t) From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Del Morril" To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > My MS Outlook e-mail processor shows only the following at the side (I > have > checked through all drop menus along the top, as well as all along the > side > without seeing anything remotely resembling unread mail. > > > > PERSONAL folders (all of which are ones I have named and use for my filing > of e-mails I wish to keep) > > MAIL (Inbox, Outbox, Junk, Sent items, etc.) > > CALENDAR > > CONTACTS > > TASKS > > NOTES > > > > Nothing else is listed. My Favorites is a on-line, internet category, not > an MS Outlook category, at least on my computer. > > As of now I still show 62 e-mails never processed. As well as the above I > plowed through Search folder, Archives folder, etc. > > I've run out of options as far as I can see. So I get used to it, or hope > those 62 will somehow eventually come through. I've already found e-mails > in > junk folder that I had never read and definitely were not junk, and in the > archives that I had not read, so they are all over the place right now. > Sent out some responses to e-mails from October. My, but I am having fun! > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Milan Hamilton > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:22 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should appear in the "Favorites" in the left panel, and/or in the > "search" folders toward the bottom. MM > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynn Brailsford > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:11 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > It should be in the far left panel labeled Folders (goes vertical up down > the far left side, not across the top...on mine the choices read Inbox, > Unread Mail, Sent Items, the icons for Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc.) > > > > Take care, > > > > Lynn > > > > Brailsford Consulting LLC > > Asheville, NC 28806 > > brailsfordconsulting.com > > 201-805-6103 (m) > > 828-398-0618 (t) > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM > To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to > find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook > without success. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > > _____ > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question > > > > Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! > Best for the New Year, > Doris > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 > e-mails > that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in > box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has > never > done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever > else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can > tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly > appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. > > > > Del > > > > Del Hunter Morrill > > 3217 North Mason Avenue > > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) > 383-5757 > > delhmor at wamail.net > > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6015 - Release Date: 01/07/13 From marilyncrocker at juno.com Mon Jan 7 18:00:02 2013 From: marilyncrocker at juno.com (Marilyn Crocker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> Message-ID: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my Inbox - top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Del Morril Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find "Unread Mail" - I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Doris Hahn Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in "rehab" I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don't come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to "Inbox" on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a "phantom"? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506 ; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:03:54 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:03:54 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question In-Reply-To: <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> References: <244805DC347E41869AF7A264DD1C63D6@DELS> <16755466.6321.1357435987262.JavaMail.root@m07> <947F8D74C4984CF8BAE43C1D1E33FEDF@DELS> <00b501cded43$dfb36480$9f1a2d80$@juno.com> Message-ID: <8443890159658433553@unknownmsgid> Del, Just get a Mac, we never have ANY problems. Jack Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Marilyn Crocker wrote: Hi Del, I find my unread mail in my *Inbox* ? top item on the long left column. The items are in bold print until I open them. Marilyn Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D 123 Sanborn Rd West Newfield, ME 04095 *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Del Morril *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 3:54 PM *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community' *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Thanks to all who tried to help me with this. Now, just tell me where to find ?Unread Mail? ? I have looked through every menu I have in my outlook without success. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * ------------------------------ *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] *On Behalf Of *Doris Hahn *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:32 PM *To:* Order Ecumenical Community *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Wish I could help you, Del, but alas.... But welcome back! Best for the New Year, Doris On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Del Morril wrote: Hi friends, Ever since I got back from my over-a-month stay in ?rehab? I have 69 e-mails that are supposedly sitting somewhere but don?t come into my outlook in box. Since the number sits right next to ?Inbox? on the menu, and has never done so before (usually shows 0 once I read all and send them to wherever else they need to go. Anyone enough of a computer brain out there who can tell me how to bring those in, or whether it is a ?phantom?? Greatly appreciate any advice to this nearly computer illiterate. *Del* Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 *delhmor at wamail.net* *Web site: www. hypnocenter.com* * * *The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.** **(Joseph Campbell)* * * _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walters at alaweb.com Mon Jan 7 19:23:15 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:23:15 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] an in-box question Message-ID: <20130107192315.9783919F@resin09.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Tue Jan 8 15:40:49 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:40:49 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del Message-ID: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wsalmon at cox.net Tue Jan 8 16:52:27 2013 From: wsalmon at cox.net (William Salmon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:52:27 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> Message-ID: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon ----- Original Message ----- From: Del Morril To: Order Ecumenical Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. 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Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. Randy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "William Salmon" wrote: > Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . > . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. > I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. > At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! > As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. > In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. > If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. > Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? > First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. > Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. > Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. > Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. > Inner Peace, > Bill Salmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del Morril > To: Order Ecumenical > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM > Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del > > The news is rotting my brain!! > > January 8, 2013 > > Musings by Del > > A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying ?bang?. A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year ?olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre ? six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. > > We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I?m concerned, you?ll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called ?structure is the key to change!? And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: > > 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. > 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? > 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. > > Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don?t we? This country is so driven by ?individual rights? and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don?t have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. > > Those whose pockets wouldn?t be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They?ll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn?t do anything to children?s brains and ideas. They?ll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. > > We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the ?done-to? victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else?s taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! > > We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. > > It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths ? above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don?t have such dictators ? we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let?s start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! > > > Del > > Del Hunter Morrill > 3217 North Mason Avenue > Tacoma WA 98407-5419 > H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 > delhmor at wamail.net > Web site: www. hypnocenter.com > > The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6016 - Release Date: 01/07/13 > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackcgilles at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:26:58 2013 From: jackcgilles at gmail.com (Jack Gilles) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del In-Reply-To: <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <3E86E048-61F2-441A-91F3-57141594EE7D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > From walters at alaweb.com Tue Jan 8 19:06:18 2013 From: walters at alaweb.com (David Walters) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:06:18 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Del Message-ID: <20130108190618.97821EAE@resin09.mta.everyone.net> We may not be able to outlaw guns, but we could outlaw the magazines that are used in assault guns. We could also urge the adoption of laws concerning the sale of ammunition: the size and types of ammunition, how much can be purchased in certaind time frame, and limits who can not purchase. Neither of thesae would be in conflict with the 2nd amendment. -David Walters --- jackcgilles at gmail.com wrote: Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote: > Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net From geowanda at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 08:52:22 2013 From: geowanda at earthlink.net (George Holcombe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:03:43 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> Message-ID: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> George, ? A?point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently?determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process?them,?rather than for?the value they add to standard of living and quality of?life.? I dare say if water in your area, or ours,?were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close.? Maybe one onehundredth. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 09:06:17 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:06:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 _geowanda at earthlink.net_ (mailto:geowanda at earthlink.net) Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews = _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcwmbw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:13:54 2013 From: rcwmbw at yahoo.com (R Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del In-Reply-To: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> References: <76b.769ba174.3e1efd88@aol.com> Message-ID: <1357751634.64258.YahooMailNeo@web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jann, ? In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening.? It's still raining slowly and soaking in,?and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning.? This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter.? So?little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it?could be the new normal.? I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. ? Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.? There is no power greater than a community?discovering what it cares about."? Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: "LAURELCG at aol.com" To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire In a message dated 1/9/2013 8:52:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda at earthlink.net writes: Yes, everything seems to be in contention. ?From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. ?What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. ? > > >Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, ?He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. ? It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. ? > > >In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, ?governance and life style. ?It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. ?Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. ?Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. ?Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. ?If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? ?Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > >George Holcombe >14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >Austin, TX 78728 >Mobile 512/252-2756 >geowanda at earthlink.net > > >Hope appeareth, but it is not your?Hope?you do not have anything to?do with it. It just appeareth. It comes?as a stranger, as an alien?it just?appeareth! You do not even know?why you hope. How in the world?could you hope when there is?absolutely nothing to justify any?hope? ? ?~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > >= > >_______________________________________________ >OE mailing list >OE at lists.wedgeblade.net >http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 09:55:32 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:55:32 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201cdee92$8532b060$8f981120$@comcast.net> Right ? 59% of the purified water in the Cherry Creek Water District (where we get our drinking water in Centennial, Colorado) is used to water lawns. Time for many people to change their practices, me included. Best, Sherwood George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 10:44:13 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Great Teachings for climate change:Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow's newsletter Message-ID: <3fb8.f5150fc.3e1f147d@aol.com> Colleagues, these links lead to fabulous resources, imho. Jann Dear Friends and Fellow Evolutionaries, Greetings in the New Year! Three things this month: 1. What's New on The Great Story website: _http://thegreatstory.org/new.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/new.html) (Parents: we highly recommend the "_Elemental Birthdays_ (http://solstice-and-equinox.com/elementalbirthdays.html) " resource!) 2. Our awakening to the moral urgency of climate change, as intergenerational injustice / intergenerational evil: Best short videos and most helpful resources on the subject: _http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/climate.html) Direct link to our "personal awakening" video on YouTube: _http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI_ (http://youtu.be/a1HpkCiOaiI) My HuffPost blog post: _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-michael-dowd/intergenerational-evil-of_b_2366068.html) 3. My dear friend and mentor David Gershon, co-founder of Empowerment Institute, is one of the world's foremost authorities on behavior-change, community empowerment, and large-system transformation. I know this from personal experience, as we worked closely together in the mid-to-late 1990s. David's work has addressed a wide diversity of issues: * low carbon lifestyles * livable neighborhoods * sustainable communities * organizational talent development * corporate social engagement * cultural transformation David is offering a free teleseminar this Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 2pm EST / 11am PST: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) This hour-long teleseminar is appropriate for anyone wishing to make change happen. David presents strategies and tools for shifting habits, empowering communities, and transforming large systems. Drawing on his highly acclaimed book Social Change 2.0, he describes how each of us can step up our ability to make a difference in the world. David also introduces his "Masterclass in Transformative Social Change" that starts on January 27th. (Learn more about that _here_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARC e1D9AyR_Bm1r__uf0cE7Z_wtplpG-KvjT61raV-PyKCgJo3z1NZWNNlAtlQesuQFPOheFpFyxrON ZXI-bopNZMQ==) .) Connie and I will both be on the teleseminar call and will also be enrolling in David's masterclass. _Download a free PDF_ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001AAh2gICnjSLOn2bq6hB8lj0Rg3iPSomvPyU0FXZ4baDntryx1AJFtgfvzcqoARCe1D9AyR_Bm1rQWQjYdCIVgUmz-1C4OIacP ozK5YAX5OaYQXHZX55AbWyEs_1VgaQbUl_MxF8cAEhxEfO6j7oCeFAumtqTIHT8A-SRuyDCxfFqJ aiwexg7avDDFmbGhOSy) of "Reinventing Social Change," the introduction to the book, Social Change 2.0. View a short video by David Gershon on pushing the envelope as a change agent: _http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0_ (http://vimeo.com/4417571#at=0) And here's another short video of David talking about Social Change 2.0 with Deepak Chopra: _http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs_ (http://youtu.be/wxZgaXbzoXs) NOTE: As a member of Connie's and my "Evolutionary Times" email list, if you register for David's Masterclass (which is separate from the free teleseminar/introduction) you are entitled to a tuition reduction of $35. Just type "Evolutionary Times" into the partner organization box. Again, here's the link to register for the free January 13th teleseminar: _http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk_ (http://davidgershonjan2013.eventbrite.co.uk/) Wishing everyone a joyful, productive, and fulfilling 2013! Natural blessings, ~ Michael and Connie _http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html_ (http://thegreatstory.org/MD-writings.html) _http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm_ (http://thegreatstory.org/CB-writings.htm) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAURELCG at aol.com Wed Jan 9 11:02:48 2013 From: LAURELCG at aol.com (LAURELCG at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:02:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Message-ID: <499c.5a0f2e1c.3e1f18d8@aol.com> My prayer answered! Water has been fought over in California forever. Jann In a message dated 1/9/2013 9:14:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcwmbw at yahoo.com writes: Jann, In the Dallas area we've had nearly 2 inches of rain since last evening. It's still raining slowly and soaking in, and it's supposed to continue until tomorrow morning. This is the first significant rainfall we've had here since before Easter. So little precipitation is very unusual for this time of year, but it could be the new normal. I wonder if some day people will fight over water they way they fight over oil today. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had a revelation that neither is a problem - I'm just "passionately indignant!" _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of LAURELCG at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:06 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] George's Response to Del Thank you, George, for bringing us to the primary issue of climate change. I looked at my front lawn this morning and thought, "This is the time to dig it up and plant a native, drought tolerant ground cover of some kind. Our ground water in the San Joaquin Valley is polluted with nitrates, but it's still precious. Hopefully, some young people are working on purifying it. Thankfully, we have a good snow pack so far this season. I pray for rain (and sanity) for my native state of Texas. Hope appeareth indeed. And thank you, Del, for starting this discussion. Blessings, Jann McGuire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Wed Jan 9 13:07:59 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: > George, > > A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. > > Randy > > "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley > > From: George Holcombe > To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del > > Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. > > Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. > > In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. > > George Holcombe > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. > Austin, TX 78728 > Mobile 512/252-2756 > geowanda at earthlink.net > > Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope?you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien?it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 13:51:45 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Response to Del In-Reply-To: <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> References: <7B2E61CA63394615AE90F690AC7CFCD7@DELS> <78DEF65AACBE438382D9432906289E16@hp> <1357751023.22901.YahooMailNeo@web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <17AC7E4A-BFD7-4F3B-8998-B0C4CD74F077@charter.net> Message-ID: <006b01cdeeb3$850534c0$8f0f9e40$@comcast.net> Sounds like a great future Supreme Court case (among many related others!). From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:08 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe To: Order Ecumenical Community ; ICA LIST SERVE Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda at earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 10 08:13:00 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/10/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFBD647EBBFDCC-2224-19FE@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress The third woman mentioned in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus is also unique in a number of ways. Her name is Ruth and she, like Rahab, is a foreigner. Rahab was a Canaanite citizen of Jericho. Ruth was a Moabite, and the widow of a Jewish man named Mahlon. Her story is found in the tiny book that bears her name that is nestled in the Hebrew Scriptures between Judges and I Samuel. It is a dramatic tale involving some unfamiliar Jewish practices that are strange to us today, but that made sense in terms of the Jewish values of that day, rooted as they were in both tribal and patriarchal assumptions. Listen first to the story. It was around the year 1100 BCE when a time of famine produced a down turn in the Hebrew economy. Elimelech, a citizen of Bethlehem, his wife Naomi and their two sons, Mahlon and Chilion, moved to the land of Moab in search of work, food and survival. Soon thereafter, Elimelech died leaving Naomi with her two sons, strangers and aliens in a foreign land. The two sons then assumed the care of their mother and settled into their life in Moab, living there for about ten years, during which time they even took Moabite women to be their wives. Mahlon married Ruth and Chilion married Orpah. Then tragedy struck once again when both Mahlon and Chilion died, leaving the remaining members a very vulnerable family of three widows, women who had no male support and no male protection. This patriarchal society had not developed any way of enabling lone women to care for themselves outside the protective structure provided by a father, a husband or a son. ?An independent woman? was an unimaginable category. Hebrew law, therefore, required that women who are alone be cared for by the nearest male kinsman in the family. Normally this meant that the next oldest brother in the family must take the widow of his deceased brother as his wife. In the case of Naomi, Orpah and Ruth, however, there were no younger brothers and, with Naomi being of post-menopausal age, there was no chance of ever producing any. Nothing was more fragile or tragic in this society than a woman who had no father, no husband and no son. She thus fell out of the social safety net, which that society had built to care for the vulnerable. The next level of support was to identify the male, who was simply the closest of kin and to turn all of her assets over to him. This included his taking the widowed woman to be his wife, or at least a member of his harem, for which he had responsibility and for which he assumed sexual privileges with the stated hope of raising up children to the deceased male. As long as this fragile trio of women lived in the land of Moab, there was no male closest of kin. Naomi, facing this reality, called her two daughters-in-law to her and told them that she was moving back to the land of the Jews, presumably to Bethlehem. She instructed the young widows to do the only thing left open to them. She told them to return to their families and to the protection of their fathers. That was a demeaning act as these widows would from then on be considered ?damaged goods.? They would be unable to contract another ?proper? marriage. Perhaps some men could be found to take them, but prospects were bleak; not as bleak, however, as what they faced as a family of three vulnerable women living alone. Orpah accepted that option and returned to her family, disappearing from this story forever. Ruth, however, declined and informed Naomi that she would go with her back to the land of the Jews, that she did not want to leave her mother-in-law alone and that together they would face the hardship that both knew awaited them. In one of the most beautiful passages in this book, Ruth says words that have been set to music today and we know them as ?The Song of Ruth,? ?Entreat me not to leave you or to return from following you; for where you go, I will go; where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God, where you die, I will die and there will I be buried.? (Ruth 1:16-17) This song of Ruth is frequently sung at weddings as the bride and groom stare deeply into each other?s eyes.. I wonder how many couples would choose this music if they knew that originally it was Ruth?s song sung to her mother-in-law! The two single women then returned to Bethlehem and began their struggle for survival. It was the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Naomi plotted her strategy. She was aware that her husband, Elimelech, had a kinsman named Boaz, who owned much land in the Bethlehem area. She thus settled into a humble dwelling near the fields of her husband?s distant relative. Jewish law also required that the reapers should not seek to harvest every grain of barley, but that some should be left in the field to be gleaned by the poor. Each day Ruth went into these fields to gather the grain the reapers had missed. She brought it home, ground it and baked it into a barley cake sufficient to keep Naomi and herself from starving. Her faithful caring for Naomi was noticed. Boaz inquired of her identity and learned that she was Naomi?s Moabite daughter-in-law, that she had asked permission to glean in the field behind the reapers and that she had gathered the scanty remains from sunup to sundown without resting. Inspired by this example, Boaz spoke to Ruth, telling her not to gather grain in any other fields and gave her access to water drawn by the young men for the workers in the field. He ordered the young men not to molest her. Ruth thanked Boaz for his kindness, inquiring as to why he was so gracious to a foreigner. Boaz replied that her faithfulness in the care of Naomi had inspired him and revealed that he had been told of the death of Ruth?s husband and of her willingness to leave her own people in order to care for Naomi. Boaz then instructed the reapers to leave some of the sheaves that they had gathered for her to glean. When Ruth told Naomi about the kindness of the man who owned the fields, Naomi was pleased that the trap she was setting was about to be sprung. She waited until the harvest season was over before she put her plan into operation. Naomi shared with Ruth that Boaz was a distant relative of Elimelech, her father-in-law, and thus of Mahlon, Ruth?s husband. He thus had a social responsibility to care for her. When the reaping was over, Boaz and his workers would celebrate at the threshing floor and Ruth would attend that celebration. She prepared carefully, she bathed, she anointed herself with perfume, she put on her best dress and off she went. Naomi instructed her that she was not to make herself known until the man had finished eating and drinking. The text says until ?his heart was merry.? The wine flowed freely that evening and by midnight Boaz, now well drunk, lay down on the floor and went to sleep. Ruth came over to him, placed a pillow under his head and covered him with a blanket. Then the text says she ?uncovered his feet,? and lay down at his feet. In the scriptures the word ?feet? was a euphemism for the male genitals. The fact is that Ruth undressed him and climbed under the blanket with him. This was an overt act of seduction. When Boaz awakened at the dawn?s first shaft of light, he found this woman under the blanket with him. He had no idea who she was or what he might have done in his drunken stupor, and so he spoke to her. ?Who are you?? He asked. She replied: I am Ruth, you are my next of kin. Marry me!? Boaz pretended to be flattered that she had not gone after a younger man, but he was not quite ready to accept this new responsibility. There was one other, he said, who was a closer kinsman to her husband than he. He would have to speak to him first. It seems this other man had the right of first refusal. Boaz went to meet with him, telling Ruth not to let it be known ?that a woman came to the threshing floor.? He then gave Ruth ?six measures of barley,? perhaps it was payment for her ?night?s work? and he went off to the city. Ruth reported back to Naomi with this grain and Naomi rejoiced. Her plan had clearly worked. Boaz, gathering ten men of the city to serve as witnesses, met with this nearest kinsman and the negotiations proceeded. Boaz informed this man that Ruth, Mahlon?s widow, has returned from Moab and that she has a parcel of land that belonged to Mahlon?s father, our kinsman, Elimelech. You, as the nearest of kin, have first refusal. Will you redeem this land? If not, I am next in line. The nearest of kin agreed to redeem it. Then Boaz said that is fine, but you need to know the day you take over this field, you are also agreeing to care for Naomi, Elimelech?s widow, and to take Mahlon?s widow, Ruth, to be your wife and to raise up children to her deceased husband. That was a sticky wicket. He would then have to include any children he might have with Ruth among those who would inherit his estate. So he declined. ?I cannot redeem it,? he said, ?Lest I impair my own children?s inheritance.? So, in the presence of the elders, he renounced his claim. The decision was affirmed in the traditional way of exchanging a sandal. Boaz then was authorized to buy the parcel, to become heir of all that belonged to Elimelech, Mahlon and Chilion. He would care for Naomi and Ruth would become his wife so that the name of Mahlon would not be cut off in the land. The elders saluted Boaz and said, ?May your house be like the house of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah.? thus linking these two stories. Boaz and Ruth had a son whose name was Obed. When Obed reached maturity, he had a son named Jesse. Jesse in turn grew up and had a son named David, who became the great king of the Hebrew nation. Ruth was thus the great grandmother of King David. Matthew incorporated Ruth into the genealogy of Jesus that served as his prologue to the introduction of the first account of Jesus? miraculous birth, In that genealogy, Matthew is saying the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar, the harlotry of Rahab and the seduction of Ruth. It also proclaimed that Moabite blood flowed in the veins of the Jewish King David, thus countering all of the claims of racial purity made for the Royal House of David. One more woman will appear in Matthew?s genealogy. We will turn to her story when this series continues, but surely by now we should be asking what Matthew?s purpose is; what is his agenda that he has chosen to introduce the Virgin Birth story in this way? ~JSS Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Jan Weston from Morrow, Ohio, writes: Question: I know that you are invited to Unity Village, Lee's Summit, Missouri, on occasions. I think I have read a comment from you saying that Unity was a positive resource for the future understanding of faith. My wife and I have regularly attended a Unity congregation until recently. I had searched to see if you had written anything in regards to interpreting scripture metaphysically and could not find any articles. I would like to know in more detail your feelings of the strengths and weaknesses as you see it in Unity thought. Also, any suggestions for a resource other than the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary and Charles Fillmore's The Revealing Word: A Dictionary of Metaphysical Terms. I look forward every Thursday to receiving your articles. Answer: Dear Jan, Thank you for your letter. I have had the pleasure of being at Lee?s Summit on several occasions and have spoken in perhaps as many as 200 Unity Churches across the nation. I find the Unity Movement exciting and open. It is not, however, their metaphysical interpretation of the scriptures that impresses me so much as it is their insistence on seeing religion as an asset to wholeness. They simply are not into sin, original or otherwise. The traditional Christian message, which is rooted in the theology of Augustine in the Fourth century and expanded by Anselm in the twelfth century, is based on the assumption that human life began as perfection, only to fall into sin and, therefore, it needed to be rescued, saved or redeemed. So Jesus is presented as savior, redeemer or rescuer. By defining Jesus in this way, we also inevitably define human life as fallen or lost. I think that is an incorrect description of the origins of human life and any theological system based on that primary assumption will inevitably contribute to the destruction not the enhancement of human life. We human beings are not fallen sinners so much as we are creatures evolving toward some future destiny. We have never been perfect, we have never fallen and we do not need to be saved. When it comes to interpreting the Bible, a metaphysical approach was adopted by the founders of Unity because that gave them a way out of the necessity for reading the Bible literally and at that time very little else was then available to them at that time to accomplish this task. The Bible was never meant to be read literally, but that was nonetheless the pattern that the church applied to the Bible over the centuries. If we shatter the hold literalism has on scripture, we have many options open to us for reading the Bible non-literally. Metaphysically is one of them and that was the method chosen by Unity. I see it as one among many ways to approach the scriptures. My own study, however, has led me to a rather different approach. I seek to go to the origins of the text, examine the historical circumstances, which produced that material in the first place and then try to discover the experiences that lie behind the biblical explanations. It is that experience which makes contact with my human experience today. For example, all four of the gospels reflect the Jewish-Roman War from 66-73 CE, during which the city of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE. The gospels all assume this event and their message is even shaped by it, even though they each purport to write about a life that was crucified in 30 CE, two to three generations before Jerusalem?s fall. In a similar way, much of the Old Testament reflects the division of the Hebrew nation into two competitive states, Judah and Israel, which occurred around the year 929 BCE, yet that fact is written into the story of the patriarchs who lived some 700 to 900 years before this split took place. The point of this is to force us to face the fact that what we have called ?the word of god? is a quite human book and a very subjective one. That is the kind of wrestling with the text that opens to me the doors through which I feel compelled to walk in the confidence that this approach will yield the meaning I seek. A metaphysical reading of our sacred texts will also deliver us from literalism, but for me it does not go as deeply as I feel I must go in search of truth. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! 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Could you please repost it or forward it to me directly at Jim Wheeler jimandjo at sbcglobal.net. I like to add it to my files on Spong's NT background work. Grace and peace, Jim Wheeler On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ellie Stock wrote: > > > > > > > Homepage > My Profile > Essay Archive > Message Boards > Calendar > The Birth of Jesus, Part I: Introduction > Most of the portraits of the mother of Jesus that hang in the great > museums of the world are dependent first on the biblical stories of Jesus? > birth and second on the presumed appearances of his mother at the foot of > the cross. Take those two traditions away from the New Testament and the > mother of Jesus almost totally disappears. Indeed, what remains is mostly > negative. She is portrayed in Mark (chapters 3 and 6) as thinking that > Jesus was ?beside himself,? that is ?out of his mind? and she, along with > his brothers, moves to ?put him away.? He had, this story implies, become > an embarrassment to the family. In the Fourth Gospel, in the narrative of > the water being changed into wine, the mother of Jesus is portrayed as > inappropriately pushing Jesus to act and she receives from him the rebuke, > ?Woman, what have you to do with me, my hour has not yet come?? She is > also not present at the cross in the writings of Paul or in any of the > earlier gospels of Mark, Matthew or Luke. Only with the appearance of the > Fourth Gospel at the end of the first century did anyone think to portray > her at the foot of the cross. > These biblical facts force us to recognize that most of the ideas we have > about the mother of Jesus are late developing myths that make assumptions > the Bible does not make. The birth stories are found first in Matthew, the > dating of which is generally between 82 and 85, and second in Luke, which > is generally thought to have been written about a decade after Matthew. > This means that the New Testament?s accounts of Jesus? birth are both > products of a time 52-65 years after the life of Jesus came to its earthly > end and some 82-95 years after the time of his birth. This is not eye > witness reporting. Clearly the tradition that was built around the mother > of Jesus is both late developing and continues to grow with the passing of > years. > Once the time of the writing of the New Testament has passed, however, the > mythology that developed around the mother of Jesus apparently knew no > bounds. The virgin mother of the birth narratives became in successive > generations, first, the permanent virgin, thus redefining Jesus? siblings, > referred to by name in both Galatians and in Mark, and referred to in John > simply as ?his brothers,? as half brothers or cousins. Next she was > declared to have been a ?post-partum? virgin, which suggested that even the > birth of Jesus did not disturb her virginal hymen. In the service of that > idea the ?Fathers? of the church even searched the scriptures for biblical > texts that would support this growing conviction. They settled on two. > First, they looked at the writings of a sixth century BCE prophet named > Ezekiel, who in the first verse of the 44th chapter wrote these words: > ?This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened and no one shall enter > by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it > shall remain shut.? Without either apology or embarrassment, they leaped > on these words to claim that the ?post partum virginity? of the ?Blessed > Virgin Mary? had actually been predicted by the prophets! The second text > was found in the resurrection story according to the Fourth Gospel. In > that narrative the disciples were in hiding in an upper room with the doors > and the windows closed and locked and Jesus came and stood in their midst. > If the risen Christ could pass through walls guarded by locked doors, they > argued, it was no great stretch to imagine the infant Christ passing > through the birth canal of his mother without breaking the hymen. > Mythology always does strange things to facts and to reality. > By the 19th century, devotion to the mother of Jesus became so strong > that the Roman Catholic Church, in which this devotion was most encouraged, > declared that she, unlike all other human beings, had been ?immaculately > conceived.? That is, her mother had been miraculously cleansed of the sin > of Adam, which was believed to have infected all human beings and to have > been passed on from generation to generation. For Jesus to have been born > without sin, his mother would have to have been especially prepared for > this birth. This necessity also reflected the fact that in the early > years of the 18th century, the discovery had been made that women have an > egg cell and therefore that the woman literally contributes half of the > genetic makeup of every person who has ever been born. Prior to this the > assumption was that the woman simply provided the womb that nurtured the > male seed to maturity. Like ?Mother Earth? into which the farmer planted > the seed, the woman?s role had been seen as simply to bring to birth the > life that came from the male. When the egg cell was discovered, the > realization dawned on the leadership of the church that the mother of Jesus > was, like all women and indeed like all people, a child of Adam and so the > sinlessness of Jesus was compromised through his mother?s line. That had > not been a problem in the old view of reproduction. The Immaculate > Conception addressed that theological problem demonstrating once and for > all that even ?infallible? doctrines are forced to adjust to new > discoveries. > The final chapter in the mythological development of the mother of Jesus > came in the 20th century when Mary was declared to have been bodily > assumed into heaven. Since she was born without sin, she was not required > to go through the passage of death, since death, according to the story of > the Garden of Eden, was punishment for sin. > Carl Jung rejoiced in the Vatican?s declaration of the bodily assumption > of the mother of Jesus into heaven because in his world of symbols this > meant that the feminine had finally been lifted into God and the > patriarchal tyranny of a God conceived of in only masculine terms and > always addressed as ?Father? had finally been tempered. > In this new series of columns over the next few months, I want, first, to > get underneath the mythology of the ages and second, the development found > in the New Testament itself, so that we can look at Jesus, the mother of > Jesus and the entire Christian story with a set of eyes honed by > scholarship and tempered by the facts of history as we can demonstrate > them. I trust it will be an illuminating and worthwhile story for my > readers. > If the familiar biblical images of the mother of Jesus are late > developing, what do we have that is original and perhaps trustworthy? That > is the question we will address as this series unfolds. I begin with some > statements of fact that I will pursue in detail going into each of them > deeply before any conclusions are reached, probably some time in February. > For now, I simply file them as bullet points for your consideration. As the > Book of Common Prayer in my church states these bullet points are designed > to be ?read, marked, learned and inwardly digested.? This series will > provide the time to do just that. > > - We can now date the life of Jesus with some degree of accuracy. > Recent discoveries have made it possible to fix the life of Jesus between > the years of 4 BCE and 30 CE. We get to these dates first by the discovery > in ancient Roman records that King Herod died in 4 BCE and since the clear > New Testament tradition is that Jesus was born when Herod was the king so > we fix the date of Jesus birth at 4 BCE. Second, we learn, once more from > secular records, that Pilate was the procurator of Judea for the Roman > Empire between the years 26-36 CE. If, as each of the gospels asserts, the > crucifixion occurred under the authority of Pilate, then the crucifixion > has to happen some time between those dates. Roman records also provide us > with some other facts in the life of Pilate that have to do with the > reasons for his removal from office. Since they appear to have happened > well after the crucifixion we can squeeze those dates a bit closer to > perhaps 28-32 as the time of the crucifixion. We then split the difference > and settle on 30, with the knowledge that we might be off two years in > either direction. So for our working purposes, we set the life of Jesus > between 4 BC and 30 CE. > - We have nothing preserved in writing anywhere of anything concerning > the life of Jesus before the year 51 CE. That is a silent and dark > historical tunnel, which can be illumined only by speculation. It is > filled in only by what we call ?the oral tradition? that we have almost no > way of recreating, entering or capturing. > - Paul the first writer, whose work was destined to be included in the > New Testament, did all of his writing between the years 51 and 64. Not all > of the epistles attributed to Paul are authentically from his hand. The > ones about whom a consensus of the certainty of Pauline authorship exists > are I Thessalonians, Galatians, I and II Corinthians, Romans, Philemon and > Philippians. This means that II Thessalonians, Colossians, Ephesians, I > and II Timothy, Titus and Hebrews are not considered to be from the hand of > Paul. > - Nowhere in any part of the authentic Pauline corpus is there a > reference of any kind to the birth of Jesus, nor is there any mention of > the mother or father of Jesus. There are in Paul, however, several > references, mostly in Galatians, to James, the brother of the Lord. > > Our study of the birth of Jesus will therefore start with Paul, the > earliest writer in the New Testament. That means that we will start our > investigation in the sixth and seventh decades of the Christian era. > I hope that whets your appetite. We will continue the drama in subsequent > columns. > ~John Shelby Spong > Read the essay online here > . > > Question & Answer > Ed Branthaver, via the Internet, writes: > Question: > You have been a long time favorite author of mine ever since I read *Rescuing > the Bible from Fundamentalism > .* I have every one of your books in my personal library. I grew up in > the tradition of a liberal Church of the Brethren to which I still hold > some loyalty. However, in all my years, I was never able to understand > much of the biblical language or teachings. I was in my 60th year before I > discovered you and your writings. Let me say you are the first person who > has helped me understand what for a long time has confused me. Recently, I > came across a small book by Anthony Freeman, *God in Us*. He claims that > his use of the term God (instead of referring to a supernatural being) > refers to the sum of all values and ideals in life: Positive values like > goodness, love, knowledge, wisdom, power (used rightly), etc. and negative > values like freedom for the fear and tyranny of death, of suffering, etc. > He says, ?Do you believe in God? is like asking ?How long is a piece of > string? Just tell me what sort of God you have in mind and I will tell you > whether I believe in him (her, it.)? He labels his philosophy, Christian > Humanism, and his call to ?radical insecurity? which carries an element of > uncertainty, sure sounds a lot like your recent call to ?Think Different, > Accept Uncertainty.? Could you call the New Christianity for a New World > Christian Humanism? > Answer: > Dear Ed, > I have known and admired Anthony Freeman for a long time. He was an > Anglican priest until the Anglican hierarchy decided that his view of God > was not sufficient for him to represent that church as one of its ordained > servants. I would never have made such a judgment. No person?s view of > God is the same as God! I?m not at all sure that the view of God reflected > in those Anglican hierarchical figures is a view of God that is sufficient > for them to remain in their respective positions of authority either. They > simply validate tradition while Anthony has challenged the adequacy of that > tradition. Only time will tell which attitude is closer to the truth and > history has consistently shown that those who stand outside the traditional > theological lines are harbingers of the future majority. > Does this mean that I believe that Anthony?s view of God is complete? No, > but neither is the view of his hierarchical theological judges or my view > of God. What ecclesiastical heresy hunters never understand is no human > mind and no religious tradition can ever fully embrace or express the truth > of God in any human words or in any established doctrines and dogmas of any > church. Churches are always pretending that they possess the ultimate > truth of God. I think that is nothing short of idolatry. I believe I > experience God and I can talk about my experience. I do not believe I can > define God, nor do I believe anyone else can. > I find the phrase Christian Humanism to be an appealing one. The opposite > of humanism is not the lack of or the inability to embrace the reality of a > supernatural deity. The opposite of humanism is to be inhumane! I think > Jesus is about expanded life and expanded consciousness; about calling us > into the fullness of lour humanity. Humanism shares that goal, but would > probably not embrace my definition. Humanism is thus not my enemy, but my > ally. I think of myself as a Christian Humanist, but I want both of these > words to carry equal weight. > I hope this helps. > ~John Shelby Spong > > Announcements > > > > > > Any questions or concerns, please contact us at > support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. > > *Copyright ? 2012 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved.* > You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. > *Our mailing address is:* > ProgressiveChristianity.org > 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. > Unit 1 > Portland, OR 97214 > > Add us to your address book > > If you are a paying subscriber, you may login and cancel your account > . > > > > > > > > Sent to elliestock at aol.com ? *why did I get this?* > unsubscribe from this list| update > subscription preferences > ProgressiveChristianity.org ? 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. ? Unit 1 ? 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In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agammel at ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 12 10:33:55 2013 From: agammel at ix.netcom.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:33:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <30330990.1358015635687.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolcrowcrow at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 17:48:59 2013 From: carolcrowcrow at gmail.com (Carol Crow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:48:59 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Message from A.M. Noel Message-ID: <1A4A515E-BC35-4D1A-ACF1-D1A42272CE7A@gmail.com> Dear Friends, I am forwarding a message from our colleague A.M. Noel,currently living in upstate New York: "Dr. A.J.A. Peter, age 77, eldest brother of A.M. Noel, took his last breath yesterday, January 10, 2013 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He was a guardian of the ICA for many years." A.M.'s sister had died on A.M.'s birthday, December 17, 2012, followed on December 22 by the death of his father-in-law David VerNooy. A Memorial service for A.M.'s sister and brother will be held in Malaysia in February when the family gathers in Kuala Lumpur. David VerNooy who died in December was a clergyman participant in the Ecumenical Institute's Primal Community Experiment in the 1970's, in Connecticut and New York. Please hold A.M. and his family in your hearts at this time. In Community, Carol From sunwalker at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 12:21:02 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Message-ID: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend - he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT's education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences-several every year-as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people - not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From elliestock at aol.com Sat Jan 12 12:59:35 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:24:45 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:24:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> So sorry, Alan - I thought I had sent you one. Will get it in the mail on Monday. Grace and Peace, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:34:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, agammel at ix.netcom.com writes: Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jayandem2 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 13:22:00 2013 From: Jayandem2 at aol.com (Jayandem2 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:22:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Message-ID: <5b08f.330509ae.3e232df8@aol.com> I remember the stack of 11" x 14" sheets that were in the print shop with the "Order" cross printed on them in anticipation of announcing the death of a colleague, and thinking, "I wonder how far down am I in that stack?" So glad I haven't risen to the top yet! Thanks as always, for your kind words. Thank you note for the check is in process. Grace and Peace and Love, Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, llc860 at triad.rr.com writes: Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock ____________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From delhmor at wamail.net Sat Jan 12 16:33:43 2013 From: delhmor at wamail.net (Del Morril) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:33:43 -0800 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> References: <18038616.11130.1358015723971.JavaMail.root@m07> Message-ID: <8C20B8311A134335A8C11D73859C3FF2@DELS> Which Alan is this??? Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor at wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:34 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Mike, I did not receive a copy yet. do you have my correct address? 616 s 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418 -----Original Message----- From: Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Jan 12, 2013 9:08 AM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net, dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year's Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren't familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It's fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I'm in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $___________ The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 17:43:38 2013 From: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net (Sherwood Shankland) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal In-Reply-To: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> References: <5b155.76aed38b.3e232e9d@aol.com> Message-ID: <005e01cdf12f$7208f900$561aeb00$@comcast.net> Hi Mike ? Thanks for keeping this great service going! Greetings to Judi, Meg and your family. Cheers, Sherwood and Eunice ORDER FORM NAME: Sherwood Shankland ADDRESS: 19381 East Tufts Circle CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: Centennial, CO 80015 COUNTRY: USA EMAIL: sherwoodshankland at comcast.net Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ X ] Booklet form [ X ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. I enclose $30.00 ? sending check by snail mail The CD will contain In Memoriam and Names and Addresses, etc, in Microsoft Word format. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list . http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 00:12:11 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam In-Reply-To: <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> References: <001301cdf102$583613a0$08a23ae0$@comcast.net> <8CFBF1EDC535F70-E30-1487A@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <008401cdf165$b0b5d570$12218050$@comcast.net> Yes, he did ? and his organization was the host sponsor that year. Kim Epley and I were the co-chairs. It was our first conference after the IAF was officially incorporated. He also invited in the one who led us in the closing Indian dance circle. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ellie Stock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:00 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Sunny, Did David speak at the 1995 (?) IAF Conference in Denver? Ellie elliestock at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sunny Walker To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:21 pm Subject: [Oe List ...] In Memoriam Here is a more recent passing (I wrote this to be read at the ToP Network gathering this weekend ? he was JUST as avid a supporter and appreciator of ICA worldwide): David Lester, In Memoriam David Lester was a Muskogee Creek Indian from Oklahoma. He died in Denver just after Christmas. Some of us had hoped to put him forward as a ToP Champion next year because he has been truly a solid champion for the past 20 years. Note that David was neither a facilitator nor a trainer. He was an amazing charismatic leader of high intellect and integrity, whose compassion was as deep as it was broad. He was a man of Spirit. As Executive Director of the Council of Energy Resource Tribes, he was introduced to ToP and understood immediately that it could bring Tribes back to their original models of consensus, allowing them to create their future on their own terms. He hired ToP facilitators and trainers, set up training for many young Indians in CERT?s education programs, and as interns in the organization. He brought our methods to all the CERT conferences?several every year?as well as numerous Tribal meetings, encouraging Tribes whether CERT members or not, to develop Comprehensive Energy Strategic Plans using ToP. ToP now is required by some Tribes for facilitators, and is being used by ToP trainer Leslie Kabotie (a Crow Indian) with the very first Robert Wood Johnson funded health work in Indian country. David had a raucous laugh that began in his rather large belly and rolled up to his eyes, which were surrounded by laugh crinkles. He loved life, he loved people ? not just Indians, and he loved us. He is already missed. From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net ] On Behalf Of Lynda Cock Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Thank you, Mike, for keeping us so connected. In addition to keeping up with changing physical and e-mail addresses, receiving The Directory is always a gathering of colleagues as I read the list of those who have journeyed on during the past year and recall the many many names that would now be on the Memorial Wall that we had in Vail 13 years ago. (Thank you, Del and others and now Mike). Gratefully, Lynda Cock _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jayandem2 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:09 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net; dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: [Oe List ...] Directory Subscription renewal Dear Friends and Colleagues: >From Mike Tippett: A Good New Year?s Resolution: Renew your subscription to the ICA/OE/EI Directory!! I NEED TO MOVE MORE COPIES!! IF YOU ARE A FORMER SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING THE 2013 VERSION There is still time for you to order your copy! For those who aren?t familiar with The Directory, it is a listing of names, addresses, phones, emails and occupations of several hundred people who have been at one time or another associated with the I.C.A., or the Ecumenical Institute, or its programs and projects. It?s fun to see where everyone is living and what each is doing. (I?m in Florida and am semi-retired) If you would like a copy of your listing, either write or email me. If you would like a copy of The Directory, send in the form below. Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, the floppy disk form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. ORDER FORM NAME: ______________________________ ADDRESS: ____________________________ CITY/STATE/POSTAL(ZIP) CODE: ____________________________ COUNTRY: ________________________ EMAIL: ______________________________ Make Checks out to and send orders to: Michael B. Tippett, 4676 32nd Court East, Bradenton, FL 34203 (USA) Phone: (941) 753-5189 Email: MovementDir at aol.com Please send me a copy of the directory: [ ] Booklet form [ ] CD Cost of the Directory is $20.00 for either the booklet form, or a CD. If you order two forms, it will cost $30.00. 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What I do is turn on their moderation flag, so I have to approve mail posted from their email. That way if they want to post they can, but the spam won't some through. This might mean their posts are delayed since it has to wait until I get to it. Of course there is nothing I can do about mail you get that is not from the list. And this tactic will not stop your getting spam email from list members directly. If you see mail on one of the mailing lists similar to Mary's that is clearly spam, please email me directly. Posting to the list just adds more noise to the lists (as this email is, but I reluctantly concluded it was necessary). I did a bit of research and there was a recent exploit that affected Yahoo users. If this happens to your email, at a minimum change your email password. And of course, avoid clicking on links in emails, even if they are from people you know. Your mailing list servant, Tim Wegner From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 17 06:49:06 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:49:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/17/13, Spong: The Birth of Jesus, Part VII. The Role of Ruth: The Seductress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC2D8EEB7A8A2-1834-4306C@Webmail-m117.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR The Birth of Jesus, Part VIII. The Fourth Woman in Matthew?s genealogy: The Wife of Uriah The fourth and final woman included in Matthew?s genealogy of Jesus with which he opens his gospel and simultaneously introduces into the Christian tradition the story of the virgin birth, is the best known of them all. Matthew in this genealogy, however, does not ever call her by her name. He refers to her rather as "the wife of Uriah," but those who are familiar with the Jewish scriptures, as Matthew?s audience would surely have been, know from the story in the 11th chapter of II Samuel that her name is Bathsheba and you and I can read her fascinating story any time we want simply by turning to that chapter of the Bible. For those who might not be familiar with this narrative these are the details. In the spring of the year,? is the way the author of this book of Samuel begins his story. The spring of the year is the time when ?the sap rises,? romance is in the air and, this author observes, it was also the time ?when kings go forth to battle.? King David, however, did not follow the familiar script for this year so he remained in Jerusalem while dispatching his army into battle under the command of his trusted military chief, a man named Joab. Joab?s assigned task, said the author of II Samuel, was to ?ravage? King David?s enemy, the Ammonites. Not only was he to conquer the land of Ammon, but his army was to accomplish this by besieging and then destroying the capital city of Rabbah, while the king remained safe and secure in the comfort of his palace. Thus the stage was set in which this particular episode would transpire. It would be while the king was at home far from the battlefield, that he would have the adventure that would determine not just the history of the Jewish people, but also through them, the history of the world. Great changes do attach themselves sometimes to seemingly unimportant details. It was in the late afternoon one day when King David, perhaps bored, decided to stroll out onto the rooftop of the royal palace to enjoy the warm spring breezes. Because his palace was the tallest building in the city, he could look down on all the roof tops of the other homes below. On this day, to the delight of his lecherous eyes, his gaze fell upon a young woman, who was bathing herself in what she believed was the privacy of her own roof top. David was immediately smitten by this woman?s charms and, as heads of state are prone to do, he assumed that his desires should be fulfilled. So David, after inquiring as to her identity, sent a messenger to this woman?s house, bearing his personal invitation for her to come to the palace and to have a ?tryst? with the king. She came. Whether or not she had a choice, we do not know. The rights of women were very circumscribed in that patriarchal society. Bathsheba?s roof top bath was described in this text as necessary for ?purifying herself from her uncleanness,? which was a euphemistic way the Bible described the fact that she had just completed her menstrual cycle. This detail is essential to the developing plot of this story, since it demonstrated conclusively that she was not pregnant at that moment. When she arrived at the palace David greeted her and then ?took her and lay with her,? the text informs us. The act complete, this woman, having served her defined purpose, returned to her own house. In all probability David thought little more about the incident. It was probably not the first time, nor would it be the last, that this kind of activity had happened in his life. It was, however, destined to be a life-changing experience in Bathsheba?s life. In a few weeks Bathsheba, noticing some unusual, but revealing circumstances, sent a message to the palace marked ?for the king?s eyes only.? In this message she informed King David that she was pregnant with his child. David, seeking to create some room in which to maneuver, asked her how she could be sure that this baby was his child. ?You are a married woman,? he reminded her. Why do you assume that this is not your husband?s child? It was then that Bathsheba informed him that though she was indeed married, her husband, Uriah, was a professional soldier and that he had been away for months serving in the king?s army under Captain Joab in the war against the Ammonites. ?There is no way O King,? she concluded, ?that you are not the father of this baby.? David felt the noose tightening around his neck. He was not, however, ready to take responsibility for this fact and so he opted for plan B. He would dispatch a messenger to his army chief Joab, ordering him to grant a furlough to Uriah the Hittite. His cover was that he wanted to receive a first-hand report from someone in the field of battle and he had chosen Uriah for this ?signal honor.? While on this special leave, David reasoned, Uriah would stay in his home, lie with his wife and when the baby was born, they could claim that this infant had just come early. It would not be the first time in that pre-DNA world that such an explanation had been conceived of and successfully employed. So a very surprised Uriah received orders to return to Jerusalem in order to provide a personal and private update for the king on the course of the battle. Uriah, however, did not choose to return to his own house. He, rather, slept quite ostentatiously in the street at the gate of the king?s palace. David?s plans were foiled again. He had not counted on Uriah being the ultimate ?boy scout.? Uriah told the king that it would simply not be fitting for him to enjoy the pleasures of his home, his wife and his bed while all his comrades were still camping out in the fields, eating K-rations and risking their lives in the siege of Rabbah. ?I could not think of doing such a thing,? he concluded. David must have thought to himself, ?What a turkey!? Now he was forced to resort to plan C. The king next took out the royal quill and on a piece of royal parchment, he wrote out new orders to be carried to Joab, his military captain. He sent these new orders to Captain Joab via the hand of Uriah, who was returning to his duty on the battlefield. The king?s orders directed Joab to charge the gates of the city of Rabbah with a ?V? shaped flying wedge. These orders also directed Joab to place Uriah the Hittite at the point of the ?V? thus giving him the ?honor? of leading the charge. It was a position in which few survived. It was done as the king commanded and Uriah was struck down and killed immediately. Joab then sent the king a message to inform him that his problems were over and that Uriah was dead. In turn, David sent for Bathsheba and she came to his palace to be one of his wives and thus a member of his harem. Bathsheba turned out to be a wife who exercised considerable power. After the child of her adulterous liaison with the king died in infancy, Bathsheba?s second son by King David, whose name was Solomon, was destined to succeed King David at his death, though he was not close to being the first-born son and thus the presumed heir to the throne. With the assistance of a priest named Zadok, a military leader named Benaiah and a prophet named Nathan, Bathsheba maneuvered to secure the throne for her son. King Solomon in turn secured the power of the royal family that was destined to rule the people of Judah for over 400 years. That is Bathsheba?s story as found in the Bible. In his genealogy, Matthew traces the royal line from Solomon through the kings of Judah until the royal family was destroyed by the Babylonians in the period of history that is called the Exile. Then he picks up the genealogy and traces it from the Exile to a man named Joseph, The conclusion of his genealogy says ?Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus is born, who is called Christ.? Thus the genealogy with which Matthew opened his gospel and which served to introduce the story of Jesus? ?supernatural? or ?virgin? birth is brought to a conclusion. Now as we come to the end of this opening genealogy ask yourself, what was Matthew?s purpose in beginning his gospel in this way and why did he deem it necessary and appropriate to say that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth began with Abraham and traveled through the royal family, then into the exile and finally it arrives at the life on which the whole story is to focus? Finally, what is he trying to communicate when he places into the background of Jesus, four well known women in Jewish history, all of whom by the standards of that day were sexually compromised women? He is informing his readers at the very opening of his story that the line that produced Jesus of Nazareth flowed through the incest of Tamar (Gen. 38), the prostitution of Rahab (Joshua 2, 6), the seduction of Ruth (Ruth 3) and the adultery of Bathsheba (II Samuel 11). That appears to be what the text of Matthew?s gospel reveals. Perhaps that accounts (at least in part) for the fact that throughout most of Christian history, the first 17 verses of Matthew?s first chapter were skipped and ignored. They were called ?the most boring verses in the Bible,? the ?who begat whoms,? and no one was encouraged to look at them or take them seriously. Perhaps this strange introduction reveals that there is far more to the story of the virgin birth than we have imagined in the past. We will continue to look at Matthew?s birth narrative in subsequent weeks. Then we will turn to Luke?s account of Jesus? birth. Studying the Bible can be quite exciting once one removes the blinders of literalism and begins to look at the texts for what they are. So stay tuned. We will move next to Matthew?s proof text found in Isaiah 7:14 and then to the wise men and their familiar gifts. It is a fascinating study. I hope that you are finding it so. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer John McKee, from Texas, writes: Question: I am a retired United Methodist minister of the Central Texas Conference of the UMC and am most interested in your writings. I have not only read, but have copied your articles and used them as a teaching guide for persons I know are interested in a more authentic understanding of Holy Scripture. A question rose in my mind as to the worship practices of the Followers of the Way whom you state remained in those early years (some eighty) as part of synagogue worship. I am aware that Paul had a meeting of the minds, so to speak, with Peter concerning the practice of circumcision of those Gentiles who wished to be part of this new movement. If so, were the Gentile members of the ?Way? welcomed into the synagogue to worship (without being circumcised)? You may have already made a comment about this, but I must not have incorporated it into my thinking. Being in my 82nd year, I am not as alert as I was in my seminary days?Lo!! With appreciation for your ministry, I am a joyous follower of your philosophy. Answer: Dear John, Thank you for your questions and for your years of service in the Methodist ministry. The issue about the early Church is complex and I have probably had to make it seem simpler than it really was. There were a variety of Christian groups in the early years of the Christian Church. Almost all of them were first associated with and shaped by the synagogue. As the movement began to grow beyond the boundaries of Judaism in the 6th decade, they began to attract Gentile attention. Paul was a key figure in this. Some of the more orthodox Jews led by James, the Lord?s brother, and by Peter, at least at the beginning, were insistent that the only way into Christianity was through Judaism and that meant circumcision, kosher laws and Sabbath Day observances. Paul was the champion of those Gentiles who were drawn to theology and liturgy, but not cultic practices. In the early years, there were people who agreed to the orthodox requirements and people who did not. This tension divided the early church rather fiercely. Much of this conflict is reflected in Paul?s letter to the Galatians, written in the early 50?s. I have just finished reading a book by Dr. James D., Tabor, who is chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte who offers a fresh, provocative and insightful perspective on the early years of the Christian movement. His book is entitled Paul and Jesus. I commend that book to you and to all my readers. The meeting of minds with Peter, to which you refer in your letter, was described in the book of Acts (chapter 15), but be warned that Acts is probably a 10th decade piece of work at the earliest, and it specifically champions Paul?s perspective. Furthermore, by the time the book of Acts was written, the battle was over and Christianity was well on its way to becoming a Gentile movement. My emphasis in the article to which you are referring is that long before the church and the synagogue split, which historians choose 88 CE as the most likely year, the Christian faith had become so deeply shaped by synagogue worship and synagogue liturgy, to say nothing of having wrapped Jesus so tightly in both the Jewish Scriptures and Jewish messianic expectation, that the only way we can discover the original meaning of the Jesus story is by recovering that Jewish background and reading the gospels with well-informed Jewish eyes. That is what I sought to do when I wrote what is still my favorite book, Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes, where this material is spelled out more fully than I can do in a question and answer format. I send you my best. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements The New Study Guide for the 8 Points of Progressive Christianity is now available from ProgressiveChristianity.org Read More Here or Click on the Image below! Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wanaki at frontenac.net Sun Jan 20 06:01:37 2013 From: wanaki at frontenac.net (Ken Fisher) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] News from Realistic Living Message-ID: <288859C4-F9AB-4E28-9E58-F305D8B12DE7@frontenac.net> Dear Colleagues, Here's the news from Realistic Living. Gene turned 81 on January 3rd, and is 'back', after overcoming 'a pause' occasioned by recent surgery. Joyce will be 79 on February 19. They founded Realistic Living in 1984, regularly publishing a journal and many books since that time. I much admire there life-time commitments to social activism and recreating Christian practice and theology for the 21st Century. Here in our little village of Sharbot Lake Ontario, Pat and I use Joyce's Ignatian-like solitary on a near daily basis, and weekly we use the format of RL's Christian Resurgence Circle - dance, study and prayer. We are planning our third trip to Bonham for June. Recently, he wrote (with the significant input of four others) The Road From Empire to Eco-Democracy. It is being well reviewed and used as a study book in a variety of contexts. He has just competed a protean work, The Enigma of Consciousness - A Philosophy of Profound Humanness and Religion. Together, these books represent a comprehensive and futuric tour of a new social vehicle and a new religious mode. For me, they provide contemporary screens for discerning where it is that the human community is having, or can have, breakthroughs in creating a new world. As well, they provide an enthralling invitation to deepen ones personal spirit practices and social engagements. The Road can be ordered from Amazon or from: Gene Marshall 3578 N. State Highway 78 Bonham TX 75418 $21 - postage free Gene Marshall Enigma can be downloaded free from http://www.RealisticLiving.org/PDF/Enigma/ His latest book is entitled The Love of History and the Future of Christianity - A Manifesto for a Post-Christendom Christianity. Every human community is 'awe-struck'. What is unique and worth forwarding into the future about Christianity? We look forward to its completion. Realistic Living's resources can be found at http://www.realisticliving.org/ Staff member Alan Richard, maintains RL's highly imaginative and spiritually informative Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Realistic-Living/199360680077780 May the spirit of love, trust and freedom enliven us all. Ken Fisher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunwalker at comcast.net Sun Jan 20 23:00:01 2013 From: sunwalker at comcast.net (Sunny Walker) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> <40833C57-56F6-40B0-8B85-9E11D0F6BEAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00e201cdf7a4$ef33a990$cd9afcb0$@comcast.net> Ditto, ditto, and did I say, ditto? Whole fam burst out laughing! From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Sharry Lachman Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:37 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Too funny, Joan. Thanks for sending. Love, Sharry Sharry Lachman, MTP After Cancer Energy Healing sharrylachman at comcast.net 541-342-7887 On Jan 20, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Joan wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beretgriffith at charter.net Mon Jan 21 13:48:36 2013 From: beretgriffith at charter.net (Beret Griffith) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwgflowers at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:49:58 2013 From: dwgflowers at gmail.com (David Flowers) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:49:58 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: > Send OE mailing list submissions to > oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) > 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 > From: Mary Laura Jones > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: > < > CAA8E2rF4Gf7LA4573j+T7Fh4WGfnqX4jbohPhq1kAWDomwZtBg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > > left a note that read,***** > > > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OE mailing list > > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/88b0683f/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:48:36 -0600 > From: "Beret Griffith" > To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > Message-ID: <009701cdf821$113ef400$33bcdc00$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good one. Wind chill in Minnesota is - 35 today. Temperature is heading to > -15 tonight. AND when I went to the late movie in Green Valley at 6:30 pm I > longed for more "late night" movie going options, say, 9:30 pm. Beret > > > > From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Laura Jones > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:40 PM > To: Order Ecumenical Community > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago > > > > Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura > > On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > > > In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car > that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left > a note that read, > > "I hope this helps!" > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/pipermail/oe-wedgeblade.net/attachments/20130121/031111b7/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > > End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 > ********************************** > -- David* There is no cup. It's a flame. 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Bill Schlesinger Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 (915) 533-7057 x 207 (915) 503-1014 FAX pvida at whc.net www.projectvidaelpaso.org _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Flowers Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:50 PM To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 it's my understanding Government agents in Arizona steal blankets left for brown-skinned people wandering in your desert out there - it is their intention these people die of exposure, Chicago cops don't do that. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM, wrote: Send OE mailing list submissions to oe at lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request at lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner at lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I miss Chicago (Mary Laura Jones) 2. Re: I miss Chicago (Beret Griffith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:39:44 -0600 From: Mary Laura Jones To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks joan definitely smile worthy mary laura On Jan 20, 2013 9:23 PM, "Joan" wrote: > Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan > > *In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked > car that read, "I miss Chicago." > > So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and > left a note that read,***** > > *"I hope this helps!"***** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net End of OE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 ********************************** -- David There is no cup. It's a flame. Feed the flame. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 24 07:46:55 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:46:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/24/13, Spong: Inauguration Day 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFC8612B151AB5-2244-5236@webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Inauguration Day 2013 Inauguration day in America is a time of transition, the proper moment to articulate the hopes and dreams of the future. These things are more vivid if the one to be inaugurated is just beginning his or her presidency, but even when it is the beginning of a second term for a sitting president, it is still a time to take stock, to look at the issues that will confront this leader and to glimpse with anticipation what the future might mean. I suspect that is doubly so as the nation marks the second term of its first African-American president. The whole inauguration weekend was for me a solemn time of renewed convictions about the strength of our nation. I walked through this weekend in an unusual way, which I would like to share with my readers. This year?s inaugural weekend was framed between the 150th anniversary of the issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation by President Lincoln on January 1st, 1863, and the celebration of Martin Luther King?s birthday on January 21st. President Lincoln prepared this proclamation long before he issued it, but waited for the tide of the civil war to turn in the Union?s favor before making it public. The President?s proclamation and executive power needs to be carried on the wings of a strong political tide in order to be effective. The emancipation of the slaves thus depended upon the recognition that the Union forces would be victorious. Following their success in the Battle of Antietam, Mr. Lincoln decided that January 1st, 1863, was the time to make this defining proclamation official. It was thus our reality in 2013 both to note and to celebrate the fact that 150 years and 20 days later, one who bore a racial identity with the slave people, had been twice elected to head this nation. That is the stuff of human dreams. Without Martin Luther King?s work, the presidency of Barack Obama would also not have been possible. For the inauguration of this African-American president to occur on the birthday of the civil rights leader was an incredible serendipity. The weekend began for me and my wife, Christine, at a gala, a black-tie dinner at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey, held to honor and to support the university?s library. That library has, during the years of both my episcopacy and my retirement, been my place of research and study. There I have written some of my books. The administration and faculty of Drew University have welcomed me into their midst and have extended to me the use of that library in remarkable ways. The guests at this library gala were welcomed to the evening personally at the door by the President of Drew, Dr. Vivian A. Bull, and the evening began with a lecture by Dr. David S. Reynolds, the Distinguished Professor at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. His title for this event was: ?Mightier than the Sword: Uncle Tom?s Cabin and the Battle for America.? In his presentation Dr. Reynolds took his audience deeply into the work and impact of Harriet Beecher Stowe?s life-changing novel that was published in 1852. Uncle Tom?s Cabin was destined to sell more copies than any other book in the United States, except the Bible, in the entire 19th century. This book was also turned into a number of plays that were performed countless times over the last half of the 19th century and well into the 20th century. The estimates are that more people saw the play than read the book. Uncle Tom?s Cabin put a face on the cruelty of slavery that nothing else had ever done before. It galvanized the abolitionist movement and in all probability made the civil war inevitable. This book, not surprisingly, was also resisted deeply in parts of the South. Laws were passed in Southern States banning the book, forbidding its sale and distribution and even making it a crime to possess a copy. One person was actually convicted of this crime and was sentenced to ten years in prison. It was not the first time, nor would it be the last, when the guarantees of the Constitution regarding the freedom of speech and expression would be trampled beneath the power of a virulent and fearful prejudice. Racism dies hard. When Dr. Reynolds was asked if he saw anything similar to this negative response to Uncle Tom?s Cabin in the political arena of today, he pointed to the recent use of the language of ?States Rights,? including the claim to the right to nullify federal laws with which the states disagreed, such as the Affordable Care Act and the proposed requirements of a universal background check when purchasing a gun, the banning of assault rifles and their large capacity magazines. At the same time, he pointed to the blatant attempt in the last election to suppress minority votes. It appears that the emotions that led this nation into civil war are still abroad. This evening and this discussion was for us a poignant beginning to the inauguration weekend. On Sunday morning we went to our wonderful parish church, St. Peter?s, Morristown, NJ, where our worship was organized around the observance of the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. The adult class focused on the writings of II Isaiah (chapters 40-55) where the prophet portrays the messianic vocation of the Jewish people under the symbol of the one called ?the Servant? or ?the Suffering Servant.? That book portrayed the role of ?the Servant? to be that of the oppressed and powerless members of our society not trying to get even, but accepting and thus transforming and even draining the anger and hostility of the oppressors and the enslavers. The class compared the ?power? of an Adolph Hitler or a Napoleon Bonaparte, with the ?power? displayed by a Mahatma Gandhi, a Nelson Mandela or a Martin Luther King, Jr., and asked the question whose ?power? was it that ultimately changed the world? When we went to worship we found the Emancipation Proclamation printed on the front of our bulletins. We sang Harry Emerson Fosdick?s great hymn ?God of Grace and God of Glory,? which asks for the strength and courage necessary for ?the living of these days.? We also sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic, We Shall Overcome and Lift Every Voice and Sing, which describes very powerfully what slaves had to endure from their ?masters.? The Bible readings for that day included the charge given to Moses in the book of Exodus ?to go down to Egypt and to set my people free.? The choir sang Negro spirituals like Ride on, King Jesus, and we were treated to one of the most powerful sermons I have ever heard from our rector, the Reverend Janet Broderick, on the lessons learned from the non-violent teachings of Dr. King. All of those things flowed together to prepare me for inauguration day. When that ceremony began the opening prayer was delivered by Myrlie Evers, the widow of Medgar Evers, a black civil rights leader who was murdered in Mississippi in 1963. The inaugural poem was written and read by Richard Blanco, the gay son of immigrant parents. The benediction was delivered by the Rev. Dr. Luis Leon, a Cuban immigrant, who serves at St. John?s Episcopal Church, across the street from the White House. A diverse nation was on display. For those of us who had lived through those days of transition there was great joy. The climax of the inaugural ceremony was the address from our newly installed president. It focused primarily on domestic affairs, as the world faded into the background with its ten years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and even the worldwide economic collapse that greeted his first term. It was a moving speech both in content and in symbol. An African-American president began his second term by quoting Martin Luther King, Jr., by referring to ?Stonewall,? the place where the gay rights movement had begun, by emphasizing the oneness of the people who populate this land, made up, as he said, of those with different skin colors, different genders and different sexual orientations. He called our nation?s leaders not to solve the problems of the ages, but to address the issues ?of this day.? He singled out the plight of women who still suffer from vast economic disparities. His critics would later call it a ?left-wing? agenda. I call it a ?moral vision? for our nation rooted in the values of our American past. As we listened throughout the day, signs of the birth of a new political sensitivity were apparent. Senator Schumer of New York introduced his Republican co-chair of the Inaugural Committee, Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, as ?my colleague and my friend.? Former President Jimmy Carter reported on former President George H.W. Bush?s health, revealing both a recent telephone call and a longer time friendship. The wife of Republican majority leader, Eric Cantor, had served with Senator Schumer?s wife in picking and tasting the menu for the inaugural luncheon. Small signs, yes, but every long journey starts with a single, small step. When the day was over, the nation settled down to wait for action. I believe we will receive it. My reasons for optimism are these: A far more comfortable and confident president is in the White House, a Senate with an increased Democratic majority has lost its most extreme negative voices to either retirement or to resignation, the House has a decreased Republican majority led by a leader, who now shows signs of being fed up with his far right vocal minority. I expect him, not to surrender his principles, but to seek common ground for the nation?s well-being. All of them see an aroused electorate, weary of political posturing, yearning to see pragmatic action, not continued brinkmanship. Half a step forward is better than no step or even a step backward. Perhaps inauguration day harbors good things to come. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer Charles Bond from Rockford, Michigan, writes: Question: I understand and support that ?you do not think of God theistically,? i.e. what could be called the God of the Old Testament. But, as I have read, the study of theology is based on accepting the fact that a transcendent reality called God truly exists, i.e. there is a God existing outside the material universe, but having an influence or some sort of presence on earth. Do you believe in this concept of a transcendent God and, if so, do the experiences of the disciples and apostles that you attribute to them being transformed into their world-conquering evangelism represent an example of God?s actions here on earth through the mind invasions that produced their seeing an image of Jesus? These concepts seem to me to be a necessary part of including in any ?New Christianity.? What do you think? Answer: Dear Charles, Thank you for your letter. It reveals, however, the constant problem we have in trying to develop a working concept of God. Does God exist? Existence is a human category, describing a human perspective. Can God be bound with that kind of vocabulary? Transcendent is another human word that I use, but it is not a word that applies to God. It applies to our experience, to a human awareness that there is something real beyond our ability to know or even to perceive. What we must do is to recognize that we human beings can in the last analysis say nothing about God; all we can describe is our human experience and in that experience, we assert that we believe that we touch ?otherness,? transcendence, and the word we have used to identify that experience is ?GOD.? Are we simply being deluded? I do not think so. Is there something real that calls us beyond the limits of the human? I believe there is. That is as far as I can go in discussing God. It is not satisfactory to those for whom God is part of their personal security system. It is, however, enough for me because whatever I experience God to be drives me deeper into the commitment to live fully, love wastefully and to be all that I can be. The disciples clearly had an experience of Jesus following his death that convinced them that death could not contain his life and that they could see a God presence in him that was beyond any human boundary. That was resurrection. When they tried to explain it, we got stories of graves that were empty and visions that inspired. The New Christianity will have to see language and theology, creeds and doctrines as pointers to truth not vessels in which truth is somehow captured. ~John Shelby Spong Announcements A Note from Progressive Christianity.org We are pleased to inform our readers that John Shelby Spong's book Re-Claiming the Bible for a Non-Religious World has been named one of the ten best religious books published in 2011, by Lee Harmon, a well-known religious blogger (The Dubious Disciple). Harmon called Bishop's Spong's book: "A thoroughly enjoyable journey through the Bible, detailing each book's origin and historical setting. Possibly Spong's best." 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Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. To send condolences, please visit: www.fostermcgarvey.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 24 13:13:55 2013 From: isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au (Bishop Isobel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:13:55 +1100 Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In-Reply-To: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> References: <887AA35F-D398-44A9-A021-66DAB765CF4B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <30B1C2E9-B079-4BCE-A604-D86D7DA932C3@optusnet.com.au> Dear OliveAnn and Jim, Thank you very much for sending on this sad information. We have send a note of condolence. Sincerely, Isobel Bishop. On 25/01/2013, at 6:49 AM, Jim & OliveAnn Slotta wrote: > In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of > Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's > mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary > and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. > > Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver > > WOODBURY, Mary > Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on > Saturday, January 19, 2013. > She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, > Ontario. > Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. > They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also > remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. > Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and > Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. > Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books > for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the > Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta > women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of > achievements. > A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 > - 148 Street. Edmonton on Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:00 p.m. > To send condolences, please visit: > www.fostermcgarvey.com > _______________________________________________ > OE mailing list > OE at lists.wedgeblade.net > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfwiegel at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 11:41:35 2013 From: jfwiegel at yahoo.com (James Wiegel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:41:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oe List ...] A guy named Jack McCarthy died last week. A poet. Message-ID: <1359142895.82395.YahooMailClassic@web140606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I never heard of him until today.? Listen to 2 poems? -- The Victory and When the Cholesterol Catches Up With Me. http://standupoet.net/ Jim Wiegel ". . . In this whole world i don't know a more sly, more cunning, useful virtue than sheer dizzy pluck!" The Odyssey A Modern Sequel. Nikos Kazantzakis 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401 +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel jfwiegel at yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Feb 12-13, May 14-15, Sept 17-18, 2013 ToP Strategic Planning, Nov 5-6, 2013 Facilitation Graphics, March 19, 2013 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday of each month 1-4 pm Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Current program began on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. 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John will acknowledge Mary's passing on the day of her memorial service (Jan. 26) on his blog. Sometimes the wording of the blog is appropriate to the passing and sometimes it is just an acknowledgement at the end of the blog. If Jim has access to the Woodberry's e-mail, perhaps you could forward the blog to them, or else let us have the address and we'll send it. What do you know about her books? Hope you folks are wintering well. We are iced in a bit today, but it isn't scheduled to last long. Winter greetings, Lynda _____ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jim & OliveAnn Slotta Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:49 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: [Oe List ...] Reported death of Mary Woodbury In a conversation yesterday with our son Jim, who is a friend of Ian Woodbury, we were made aware of the sudden death of Ian's mother, Mary, from Edmonton. Subsequently, we found this obituary and felt that the order ecumenical would want to be aware. Jim and OliveAnn Slotta in Denver WOODBURY, Mary Mary Ann Woodbury, 77, of Edmonton, passed away suddenly on Saturday, January 19, 2013. She was born in May 1935 to Grace and George Harker in Toronto, Ontario. Mary is survived by her loving husband of 56 years, Clair Woodbury. They were married in Kingston, Ontario in May 1957. She is also remembered by her four sons and their wives, and eight grandchildren. Originally from Ontario, Mary lived in Newfoundland, New York, and Italy before moving to Edmonton in the late 1970's. Mary was an accomplished author of a number of best-selling books for young people plus several adult books. She was a fixture of the Alberta literary scene for decades and was one of seven Alberta women named as a Mistress of the Modern in 2012 for her lifetime of achievements. A Memorial Service will be held at St. Andrew's United Church, 9915 - 148 Street. 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Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 31564 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wmbailey at charter.net Sun Jan 27 15:16:21 2013 From: wmbailey at charter.net (Marianna Bailey) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering In-Reply-To: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> References: <530A3D38-B1CB-4371-A120-F39665B1927B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6C997DA0-211D-47FE-88DB-D0296B3BA0B9@charter.net> For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! 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The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die." Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock ________________________________ From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of names and more pictures would be appreciated! The Baileys On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their old assignment in Bon Toa. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 ?...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted and allow them to wither and die.? Brother David Steindl-Rast, Deeper than Words Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dj.jewell at comcast.net Mon Jan 28 12:53:23 2013 From: dj.jewell at comcast.net (Dorothea Jewell) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:53:23 -0600 Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago In-Reply-To: <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> References: <3BF34A0FABE94F1BB27C8A3708016B1A@Bailey> <8CFC5956084A6F7-F70-19C6E@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01cdfd99$841dedf0$8c59c9d0$@comcast.net> Very clever. Hope you're having a good day - perhaps beading? I am so pleased that your job is working out well. What fun that cruise will be! Love, Dorothea From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:23 PM To: oe at wedgeblade.net; mcle at msn.com Subject: [Oe List ...] I miss Chicago Thought for some of you on this list, it might bring back memories. Joan In Mesa Arizona the other day and I saw a bumper sticker on a parked car that read, "I miss Chicago." So, I broke the window, stole the radio, shot out two of the tires and left a note that read, "I hope this helps!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynda Cock > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Marianna Bailey > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:16 PM > *To:* Order Ecumenical Community > *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Monthly Gathering > > For those of us who have fond memories of Texas OE/ICA, a list of > names and more pictures would be appreciated! > The Baileys > On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, George Holcombe wrote: > >> We had a great time at the monthly ICA/OE Austin gathering last >> night. besides the usual suspects, Mike Shaw visited, and the >> McCabes gave an excellent visual presentation to Indonesia and their >> old assignment in Bon Toa. >> >> >> >> >> >> George Holcombe >> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. >> Austin, TX 78728 >> Mobile 512/252-2756 >> >> "...we have the choice: we can gratefully cultivate the relationships >> that make us part of a vast network, or we can take them for granted >> and allow them to wither and die." 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URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jan 31 09:28:52 2013 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:28:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Oe List ...] 1/31/13, Spong: Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCDEF9297ADA1-D20-5686B@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> HOMEPAGE MY PROFILE ESSAY ARCHIVE MESSAGE BOARDS CALENDAR Malcolm Warnock 1905-2012 He was a remarkable man, a superior lawyer and one who worked on the Manhattan Project during World War II. He had many, many friends and I was privileged to be one of them. I knew him for 35 of his 107 years. More than that, I knew him in some deeply personal settings. I walked with him as his wife Dorothy sank into a state of unknowing. It was the onset of her dementia that caused him to move with her into a setting where she could be cared for and he could be near enough to share time with her every day. The sad thing was that increasingly she was not aware of that care that was constant and deeply loving. Malcolm would go to her room each day to visit, to sit, to eat a meal with her, to play the piano and even to sing to her in the hope that something of his love and concern would be communicated. I will never forget him singing ?Annie Laurie? to his uncommunicative wife. I also knew him as an energetic and vigorously competitive tennis player. Malcolm and I played doubles as part of a tennis foursome every Friday morning for almost 20 years. Malcolm was clearly the best of our six players ? six because schedule conflicts made two regular substitutes necessary. Whoever teamed with Malcolm generally won. Malcolm is the third of those six players at whose funerals I have been privileged to speak. In effect, Malcolm forced me to retire from tennis, because when he defeated me consistently when he was over 92, I knew I had no future in this game. I knew him as a devoted member of Christ Church in Short Hills, New Jersey. He was a sidesman ? that is Christ Church, Short Hills, vocabulary for a lay reader or chalice bearer. He was also the regular narrator at their Christmas Pageant. Though active in his church, Malcolm was an uncomfortable Christian. That is, he was uncomfortable with traditional, ecclesiastical thinking and ecclesiastical language. He knew how to separate the authenticity of his own God experience from the explanation placed on that experience by the ecclesiastical institution ? explanations that were to him always both time bound and time warped. So he sat loosely to creeds, to liturgical forms and to doctrinal concerns. In this, Malcolm and I found common ground and became kindred spirits. He was also an avid reader of every book that I wrote over the course of our friendship. Many times, I seemed to articulate in my writing the religious concerns he always had. Yet he was faithful and persistent in his constant quest for truth and for insight, even for that truth and insight that are so often lost in creedal formulations. It was this intellectual and even theological interest that was the glue that bound us together over the years. When our Friday morning tennis court time was up we would sit around a table over coffee and have what was frequently a mini-theological seminar. Over the years, many topics were covered and some of those discussions would find their way into the content of my writing, but without footnotes attributing the ideas to Malcolm. When tennis became a thing of the past with both of us, we still met once or twice a year for dinner and an evening of conversation together. Those times took place primarily in the dining room of the institution in which he was living. They would begin regularly with hors d?oeuvres and drinks served in his room before we would go downstairs for dinner. As the years rolled by those meals became only an annual event. We celebrated Malcolm?s birthday together every June from the time he turned 100 until his 107th birthday this past summer when we saw him for the last time. He was bright, alert and ready to tell us about what had become an annual ritual in which he was honored at the Princeton University graduation as their oldest living alumnus. Malcolm held that title and even set a record that is longer than anyone else in Princeton?s history. He outlived every Princeton alumnus in at least the seven years following his graduation. It was at his 100th birthday dinner that my most indelible memory of Malcolm occurred. He greeted his guests, dressed in his tuxedo, wearing an imposing Abraham Lincoln type top hat on his head, and with his children and grandchild at his side. Christine and I were honored to be among the few non-family members present at this gathering. By this time, I was long retired, but I continued my book writing career and Malcolm had continued to read and to comment on my work. When I published what I presumed was to be my last book entitled, Jesus for the Non-Religious, a title that appealed to Malcolm and with which he identified, I turned my attention to a long held passion of mine to explore the meaning of the claim that we Christians make that death is not the end of our personhood. When we went to this 100th birthday dinner, I had begun what was to be some massive reading of all aspects of this vast subject. I was certainly not sure that this study would ever result in a book, but I knew I would enjoy the exploration. In the course of that 100th birthday gathering, near the end when people were preparing to leave, Malcolm turned to me and out of the richness of our past conversations said, ?Well, Jack, what are you working on now?? I responded, ?Malcolm, I am trying to find a doorway that will allow me to talk about life after death in such a way that a scientifically trained citizen of the 21st century could respond without turning off his or her brain.? I thought that Malcolm at age 100 might have some existential interest in this subject. I was not prepared for his response. He broke into a loud and a sustained laughter that left me standing with the quizzical smile of one who is slightly embarrassed. I was trying to brace myself for whatever his verbal response might be, but feeling somewhat vulnerable. When he finally ceased his laughter, he replied, ?That is the silliest thing I?ve ever heard of you trying to do.? Before I could say a word, he went on to pose what he saw as my problem. ?Who are you going to interview for this project?? he asked. ?Where are you going to do your research into this subject? Your passport may get you to China? he continued, ?but it will never get you to the place where that question can be studied.? Finally, he concluded his comments by saying: ?If this turns into a book it will be the shortest book of your career. It will have three lines: 1. Nobody knows, 2. Nobody can find out, 3. The End.? When he finally fell silent and I had a chance to pick myself up off the floor, I offered Malcolm two points in reply. First, the fact is that this subject, which might be called both ?the unknown and the unknowable,? has never stopped human speculation. The greatest libraries of the world contain countless volumes in which learned men and women have sought to explore humanity?s ultimate limit and the source of humanity?s deepest anxiety. Some of those volumes have become classics in the literature of the western world. One thinks of Dante?s The Divine Comedy, John Milton?s Paradise Lost and Paradise Regained or Paul Bunyan?s Pilgrim?s Progress, for example. More important, however, I told Malcolm, I did not in this project plan to engage in speculation into the unknown. I rather planned to approach life after death through the medium of life itself ? about which a great deal can be known. Can I go so deeply enough into the meaning of life that I can touch the limits? Can I discover the edge of humanity where it appears to enter the divine, where time ceases and eternity begins and where the barriers that surround life fade away and we discover that there is a universal consciousness in which we all participate? If I can do that, it will be through that means that I will approach the subject of life after death. Although still skeptical, Malcolm at least began to understand that I was not on a mission to affirm the pious claims of traditional religion or to defend the popular ecclesiastical definitions of God, who seemed to use life after death as a method of behavior control or even to affirm the reality of those now empty realms that we have in the past called heaven and hell. When my study did lead to a book that was published in 2009 under the title Eternal Life: A New Vision: Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism, Beyond Heaven and Hell, I took a copy of it as my gift to Malcolm when we attended his 104th birthday party and later received from him his imprimatur. Malcolm approved of that book because of who Malcolm was and how Malcolm lived. The only way I know how to approach the subject of eternity is to live fully in the present. The only way I know to discuss timelessness is to engage deeply and fully the gift of time that we now have. The only way I know how to approach the idea of divinity is to be fully human now, expanding all limits, transcending all barriers. I understand God as the Source of life empowering me to live fully; as the Source of love enabling me to love wastefully; as the Ground of Being giving me the courage to be everything I am capable of being. So it is in living fully, loving wastefully and being all that I can be that I experience the presence of God and it was, I am fully convinced, this same God experience that caused the followers of Jesus to view him as one in whom and through whom God was present. So they said of Jesus: ?God was in Christ.? What this phrase was seeking to communicate is that somehow, in someway, through some means, they saw the presence of God in the fully alive, wastefully-loving Jesus. This was the God that Malcolm also understood and this was the God with whom Malcolm lived. He worshiped this God of life, love and being by living fully, by loving wastefully and by being all that he could be. To Malcolm, God was not a being to be pleased, so much as God was a verb to be lived. He was a remarkable man. I am glad I knew him. I am confident that in his life he crossed the barrier where time enters eternity, where the human enters the divine and where the consciousness of the universe begins to include the consciousness of this incredible man. ~John Shelby Spong Read the essay online here. Question & Answer George Gardiner from Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada, writes: Question: You are of the persuasion that Jesus was deserted by his disciples. Do you believe that is ?literally? true? Does that mean you are ?literally? selective of the Bible as you accuse the fundamentalists of being? My feeling is this: no matter what we do or accomplish in the ?physical? realm ultimately we will make that final journey alone. Regardless of the number of people who are ?present? or have taken up ?our? cause, we face death one on one. P.S. I hold your work and world view in very high regard. Thanks very much for that and all that you have done for me and those like me. Answer: Dear George, It is not quite as you seem to imagine. I don?t treat anything in the Bible as literally true, for most of it is interpretive material not the work of eyewitnesses. This is especially true of the gospels that are written 40-70 years after the crucifixion and in Greek, a language that none of his disciples spoke. That hardly makes for a literal text. Not to be literal, however, does not mean that the substance of the text is not true. The first gospel, Mark, is quite clear that when Jesus was arrested, all of the disciples forsook him and fled (see Mark 14:50). The later gospels temper that in various ways to whitewash this apostolic abandonment. Mark even has Jesus quote Zechariah (Strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered) to justify their abandonment. One does not do that unless the abandonment was real. By the time the gospels were written, the disciples were heroes. Yet the fact of their abandonment was so deep in Christian memory that it could not be omitted, so it was explained and justified as the fulfillment of scripture. Those are the things that have convinced me that the abandonment of Jesus by the disciples is a fact of history. I hope this clarifies your question. Thanks for writing. John Shelby Spong Announcements New events added to the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar! Like this one: Title: ?Eternal Life: A New Vision ? Beyond Religion, Beyond Theism. Beyond Heaven and Hell? Apr 12-14 2013 Center for Faith Studies at Countryside Community Event: Friday-Sunday Sat. 9 a.m. Lecture (Registration 8 a.m.) 11 a.m. Lecture Sun. 9 a.m. Worship 11 a.m. Worship followed by Talk Back Session United Church of Christ 8787 Pacific Street Omaha, NE 68114 Contact: Cyndi Kugler Tel: 402 391-0350 x 121 E-mail: cyndik at countrysideucc.org Visit the Bishop Spong Speaking Calendar Any questions or concerns, please contact us at support at johnshelbyspong.com or 503-236-3545. Copyright ? 2013 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you have a membership at our website. Our mailing address is: ProgressiveChristianity.org 3530 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Unit 1 Portland, OR 97214 Add us to your address book ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: