[Oe List ...] Resolving OE and Dialogue listservs and two proposals

[Herman Greene]

I understand Tim. I agree, it's part of the human predicament and it's best
to leave it alone.

Herman


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Wegner <tim at tswegner.net> wrote:

> Herman wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the good comments on the purposes of the two listserves.
> I am going to opt for OE only. I like OE because I like to say in touch of
> my old colleagues
>
> I did an analysis of the membership of the two lists. While many are on
> both, a significant number are on oe but not dialogue, and another
> significant number are on dialogue but not oe. There is no accounting for
> the diverse reasons for this. So, Herman, you have old colleagues on
> dialogue that you will not be connected to through oe. This fact is one of
> the manifestations of the Human Predicament.
>
> For the time being I am not planning on doing anything about this, too
> many irons in the fire right now. "Retirement" so far seems to be very full
> :-)
>
> Tim
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> , which Shelley Hahn correctly stated are more like family than
> colleagues. I also like to reflect on our common memory and experiences
> from OE days. I feel somewhat at a loss on all that went on through ICA
> since I left the Order in 1975 (after 8 years with the Order), but through
> these listserves, and various events I have attended since 2000 I have
> gained familiarity with that great work. In any event, if you want to reach
> me on the listserves send the message on the OE listserve.
>
>>
>> I proposed a grand project last time I wrote, and I'd like to pull it off
>> the table. No need to refer back to it, just consider (from my side) these
>> ideas.
>>
>> 1. I am coming to the conclusion that our work as a corporate body, as an
>> Order, is done and cannot be revived. We were what we were and we did a lot
>> and caused some damage. We were who we were.
>>
>> What I believe we can and should do is preserve the mystique and learning
>> of that community for future generations. This has already happened through
>> the archive project and the books that George and John and others have put
>> out. Further there is a collection of stories about our lives and work. And
>> we had the conference in Washington, DC. Jim Wiegel did the videos. Michael
>> May is collecting wisdom stories.
>>
>> What I continue to be interested in is a compilation of essays on the key
>> ideas that guided us. For example, "Comprehensive, intentional and futuric
>> (and archaic)" "the indicative is the imperative" "contextual ethics" and
>> so many more. I can see small essays on a number of concepts put together
>> in collection as a book or books and online. I think some of these essays
>> may have to include a critique of the concepts and some would need to
>> discuss how their meaning might apply today. I suppose the essays would
>> have to begin with what the concepts meant for us "at that time." I can't
>> pass on my order experience to my sons but I would like for them to have
>> the benefit of the understandings that guided us and still guide me in my
>> thinking and work.
>>
>> On reflection though, I would also like for them to have some
>> understanding of who we were as an order. My oldest son who left the order
>> at two simply says, "My parents were in a cult." I can see another
>> collection of essays on "the way we were."  Though I think there were many
>> weaknesses in who we were I also think we were a great thing, a great force
>> for good, a creative advance. I would like to have my sons know about that
>> too
>>
>> So I guess ideally I would like two books, one on the operating wisdoms
>> of the Order/EI and the other on our stories of our life in the Order/EI
>> (and if I am not mentioning ICA it is only because I left at that time but
>> would want to include that part of the history as well).
>>
>> Now I can't stop because I had another thought. I would like for my sons
>> to have some understanding of RS1 and how it relates to the Christian
>> symbols. I can see a book titled "RS-1"
>>
>> I would be willing to be part of a team for collecting, editing and
>> publishing these works. If we get these out, the ideas will be available
>> for others to develop in the future.
>>
>> 2. The second proposal is simply an opening to individuals who would be
>> interested in participating in the Ethics and Spirituality Initative for
>> Sustainable Development and possibly developing a curriculum on the changes
>> needed going forward, kind of a CS1 for our day. I'm not longer thinking of
>> those as involving our remnant corporate body, but something that some of
>> you may have an interest in. Here's a 3 minute video that gives you some
>> introduction to this. http://youtu.be/tyh7clso0Kc I can send additional
>> information to those who contact me about this.
>>
>> Now, for completeness, I have another thought. Any of you who have not
>> done so who wish to receive the e-zine of my nonprofit, the Center for
>> Ecozoic Societies, please let me know and I'll put you on the list.
>>
>> Herman
>>
>>
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