[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] The old Order passing away

Fri Sep 28 04:45:32 PDT 2012

I find it hard to admit that my memory is not what it used to be.

Ken

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From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:51 PM
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Wikipedia is a wonderful thing Ken.  His father Spence Monroe
(1727-1774) was a moderately prosperous planter who also practiced
carpentry.

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Otto, Ken" 
Sent: Sep 27, 2012 12:08 PM 
To: Order Ecumenical Community 
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Wow Allan, looks like you did more research than me.  What about Monroe
was he a clergyman's son?

Ken

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From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:56 AM
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>From wikipedia:  His father, James Madison, Sr.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison,_Sr.>  (1723-1801), was a
tobacco planter who grew up on a plantation, then called Mount Pleasant,
in Orange County, Virginia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Virginia> , which he had
inherited upon reaching adulthood.
Madison attained prominence in Virginia politics, working with Jefferson
to draft the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Statute_for_Religious_Freedom> ,
which was finally passed in 1786. It disestablished the Church of
England <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England>  and disclaimed
any power of state compulsion in religious matters. He excluded Patrick
Henry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry> 's plan to compel
citizens to pay taxes that would go to a congregation of their choice.
In 1777 Madison's cousin, the Right Reverend James Madison
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison_%28bishop%29>  (1749-1812),
became president of The College of William & Mary
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_College_of_William_%26_Mary> . Working
closely with Madison and Jefferson, Bishop Madison helped lead the
College through the changes involving separation from both Great Britain
and the Church of England. He also led college and state actions that
resulted in the formation of the new Episcopal Diocese of Virginia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Diocese_of_Virginia>  after the
Revolution.

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Otto, Ken" 
Sent: Sep 27, 2012 8:31 AM 
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Paul, 

I may be mistaken but I think James Madison was a clergyman's son.

Ken Otto

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Susan, 

I like the paragraph underneath your signature. 

It speaks of the deep values you hold and what you hope for society.

thanks,

Paul

In a message dated 27/09/2012 06:05:56 GMT Daylight Time,
susan at gmdtech.com writes:

	Jann, I sent an email a few days ago referencing the book you're
talking about-Ellery had loaned it to me and I was wishing I had made a
copy of it before returning it to her, because it is not available from
any source.  Jon, do you remember the name of it?  The cover was black
and red, and I believe the title was something about betrayal.  Jann,
you're right, they did not get out right away.  They were on the island
of Mindanao, and my parents were on the island of Panay, where I was
born in '44 after my mother had been in hiding in the jungle for several
years.  I believe Ellery got out by submarine on the USS Narwhal in '43.
We got out by submarine when I was 3 months old the following year and
then went back right after the war (I grew up in the Philippines).
Ellery might have known another girl from Mindanao who has just written
a book about her parents' and her own WWII experience, called Guerrilla
Daughter (the author, Ginger Hanson Holmes, is a close friend of mine;
her dad and teen age brothers served in the Mindanao guerrillas under my
uncle, Wendell Fertig). 

	The game you are talking about is actually a Philippine folk
dance called Tinikling.  It is patterned after the movements of the
Tikling bird as its long legs move in and out of fish traps in the
water.

	Susan

	We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not
upon the power of government, far from it. We've staked the future of
all our political institutions upon our capacity... to sustain ourselves
according to the Ten Commandments of God. (James Madison, 1778 to the
General Assembly of the State of Virginia)

	From: oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
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	Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:39 AM
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	In the San Francisco House, 1970-71, Ellery acquired some bamboo
poles and taught the kids a Philippino game kind of like jump rope, but
jumping between the poles as they were clapped together in rhythm. She
was very good at it.

	I believe she and her parents didn't get  evacuated for 2 or 3
years after the war broke out. They were hidden from the occupying
Japanese army by local folks in the crawl space under the house until
smuggled out on a submarine and taken to Ayers Rock (?) in Australia.
Maybe Jon can elaborate. I believe her father wrote a book about it.

	I feel privileged to have been acquainted with these two
heroines.

	Jann McGuire  

	In a message dated 9/26/2012 8:02:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dpat23 at msn.com writes:

		I remember Ellery's talking about having lived in the
Philippines as a high school girl. (Her dad was a missionary and they
were evacuated when WWII broke out.)  When she  was assigned to Manila,
she thought the Tagalog language she had been fluent in would come back
to her fairly easily. She was very frustrated to find that it was gone
and not coming back. About 6 months in to her assignment, she had been
doing development in Manila and was exhausted. She got on the bus to go
home and wanted nothing much more than a good nap. But the women just
behind her would not let that happen. They kept yammering away about the
most stupid and trivial things: their kids and their squabbles, the
troubles in their marriages, and other nonsense. Ellery was furious; why
couldn't these women shut up and let her sleep? 

		Suddenly, she realized that the women were speaking
Tagalog and she was understanding every word.  She was so tired that she
had lost all her inhibitions and the Tagalog that lay just beneath her
conscious mind came out. So from then on, she both understood and spoke
Tagalog fluently.

		She had a great time telling this story  on herself.

		Pat

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		From: sunwalker at comcast.net
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oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
		Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:49:46 -0600
		Subject: [Dialogue] The old Order passing away

		First, a reflection on Ellery - as a young and
inexperienced Global Prior, Ellery was one of the ones who was gracious
enough to let me learn from my mistakes without rancor and yet with
continued nourishing support. Just her face was a human support
mechanism. She spiritually nourished me and we rarely even spoke. And
with mortality on my mind as so many saints are called home, knowing you
have gone with God, I will let go a bit of the anticipation of my own
return.

		For Carol, while there are many, many memories: one that
popped to the top was the time we were at the IERD in Delhi and had
boarded the VERY tiny elevator on the top floor (about the 22nd as I
recall) of the hotel where we were housed. We pushed the button for the
ground floor and about a third of the way down, the elevator shuddered
to a stop and the door opened...on a brick wall. Well, I was a little
claustrophobic and unaware that Carol was extremely claustrophobic. That
hour waiting to be rescued (it could have been 15 minutes, but seemed
like SEVERAL hours) was revealing of the wondrous woman of steel
(Superman move over) who kept us breathing and laughing to avoid
injuring ourselves in the mad panic of fear that sets in when you MUST
get OUT and you cannot. Clearly our circumstances were not our problem.
While in "Heaven," do a few cartwheels for me, my dear, as I know we
both would enjoy them.

		Sunny

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