[Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney

Thu Sep 20 04:00:34 PDT 2012

OK Jim, this will really slow things down - here is some more information
from Chris Martenson on what we are facing regarding The Economy, The
Environment and Energy. Chris has organized a 20 part video series entitled
"The *Crash Course*" which seeks to provide you with a baseline
understanding of the economy so that you can better appreciate the risks
that we all face. The Video Chapters are between 3 and 20 minutes in
length. All 20 sections take 3 hours and 23 minutes to watch in full. Don't
let the volume of the material stop you from starting. You can bookmark his
page and then review the material at your own pace.

Click Here to Find Out More. <http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse>

The next 20 years is going to be unlike the last 20 years and I don't think
any of our current leadership (Presidential Candidates as well as seated
Congressman, Senators, State and Local Representatives) are even aware of
the magnitude of the issues they are attempting to impact. I highly
recommend watching this series and then passing it along to as many people
as possible so that a shift in awareness can be realized.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wow, having four things to look at slows down the conversation.  I read
> the two articles on the economy.  I have a confession to make:  I have NO
> IDEA, either of what needs addressing, or how to address them, to make the
> economy "better".  My suspicion is that this slowness of recovery has more
> to do with the seriousness of adjustments being made (shifting energy,
> technology, skills, moving away from consumption as the driver, and what is
> required is a combination of things, by a combination of actors.  However,
> only a suspicion, and I don't believe that tv ads, political
> pronouncements, or comments by commentators are actually intended to help
> me sort this out in any depth.
>
> I found the video and captions refreshing.  Though, again, I don't have
> the historical background or current facts that either one of the two guys
> had.  I got distracted thinking about the right to free speech and
> respectful dialogue and a paper from the archives entitled "The Liberal
> Heresy".
>
>
>
> Jim Wiegel
> Jfwiegel at yahoo.com
>
> It may be that we live in a time of collective heartbreak ... the sense
> that we might not be equal to the ecological, political and economic
> transitions that are necessary, that our own selfishness may be writ too
> deeply into our genes and that the future is therefore untenable and
> unreachable. We do not as yet know if this is true. -- David Whyte, “Letter
> from the House"
>
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> On Sep 18, 2012, at 20:28, "Susan Fertig" <susan at gmdtech.com> wrote:
>
> A couple of interesting articles that may be useful to the discussion.****
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> http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/11/an_economic_plan **
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> http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/12/depending_on_dependency
> ****
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> I have a serious intellectual crush on Thomas Sowell, and one on
> Congressman Allen West too.  The video below will probably be offensive to
> many on this listserv, fair warning.  ****
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> http://youtu.be/2CVK4c2qu3M****
>
>  ****
>
> Here's a link with better quality and an article about it but the
> captioning in the one above is helpful too.****
>
>  ****
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> http://wwwwnd.com/2011/02/266849/ <http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/266849/>****
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> *Susan*
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>
> *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:
> oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Herman Greene
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:02 PM
> *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community'
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney****
>
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>
> We have had these “tiffs” before and, if I remember correctly, some also
> involved Susan. We survived and maybe we learned something.****
>
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>
> We should always show respect for one another, but I wouldn’t suggest any
> “rule change” yet. From my standpoint, there’s nothing wrong with lively
> exchanges unless they get chronically out of hand.****
>
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>
> Herman****
>
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>
> *From:* oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net
> [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *David M Dunn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:50 PM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] A good reflection on Romney****
>
> ** **
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> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:56 PM, "Herman Greene" <hfgreene at mindspring.com>
> wrote:****
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> I’m sorry, I want to distance myself from this message. What Susan said to
> me didn’t bother me.****
>
>  ****
>
> I think I agree with others that this is not the place to carry on a
> political debate, but it is a place to dialogue. I would be happy to hear
> Susan’s thoughts if she wants to share them.****
>
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> This passionate little maelstrom that we just fell into is one of the
> reasons that the 'listserv' technology doesn't serve us as well as the
> quality of our dialogue requires.****
>
> ** **
>
> The kind of careful and thoughtful clarification of perspectives and
> search for one another's truth requires something closer to face to face
> communication (like an online meeting) or at the least, an online shared
> dialogue space (like a 'wiki' that provides for a stream of comments) where
> we can see contributions appear in real time and all of the preceding
> contributions. (Facebook comments are the example of the running stream,
> but not the example of a safe, private space for collegial dialogue.)****
>
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>
> It would be fascinating and illuminating to see of we could discover the
> images of fact and value (recalling Boulding) that lie behind the different
> perceptions expressed here about the meaning of this moment in history.***
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> David****
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> David Dunn
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