[Oe List ...] An Amazing Two Days at ICA Chicago-Telling OurStory & The Global Archives
beretgriffith at charter.net
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Thu Oct 4 07:13:21 PDT 2012
I appreciate your comments Margaret. I feel the DEMONSTRATION section
perhaps needs expansion to include Permeation and Development both of
which were a huge factors in our lives together. Perhaps box #12 in
Training, is Community Life, which may include work/writing about
enablement, One Day Wonder and other practical marvels of living in
community. This is a different slant than would be taken when looking at
The Global Order, #2 Corporate Life, which would perhaps included things
like the Cannonical Hours, THe Rule of the Order, the more formal
structure of the community.
Beret
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Margaret Helen Aiseayew wrote:
Your chart is wonderful. I was wondering if Training, Inc. might not
be something that fills in that empty box in training. As one who was
sent to be a permeator in every location I was ever assigned, popular
preaching was my forte. I think sometimes it is the most sustaining
aspect of my work at the motel even today.
(I had a fellow down for breakfast yesterday morning who was talking
about wondering if the job he was doing made a difference. I explained
to him that the difference we make is not something we are promised to
know in this lifetime. Told him a little story about having something
someone had appreciated revealed to me, and then mentioned letting
others know their impact on us. I said it was a gratitude thing. He
left the breakfast room a different person, smiling, laughing.)
I didn't find the permeators guild work in the training and I was a
part of the social workers that worked in Fifth City. I am certain
that the teachers would have equivalent revelations to offer. There
was always, through permeation and fund raising, a strong connection of
our strategies to the larger world. It was like the seeds that are
scattered in springtime with weeping. I guess I am suggesting that this
continuous external engagement that brought data back into the community
is an essential piece to the research, demonstration and training
process, If I were working on triangles, I would name it a "that
without which" dynamic.
Forgive me in advance if this sounds like someone who wants to make the
form of their engagement year after year sound more important than it
was to the journey of the whole. Everyone has to have a story and this
is a big part of mine and I am sticking to it. Thanks for all your
efforts.
Love to Judi, Margaret
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It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for
our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We
are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we
might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you
have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short description
for each item which will be available in a week. Someone mentioned
our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to figure where
that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas of our
work that need to be included.
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On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
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I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last
Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were
working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this
morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get to see
them.
I am finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it
forward. More particularly I miss working with people who were
formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly
“Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily
an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the
mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to
be created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is
necessary” aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and
sacrifice” aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind”
if need be aspect.
One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of interior
steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the Marines
might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, but it
is still different.)
I have only experienced this in the Order. I know this has made me
much of what I am and I have a yearning to pass it on to others,
especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so many colleagues
passing away.
So while a part of me thinks its silly for grownups to be filing
all the town meeting 76 event folders (and all the work that goes
into that), another part of me also claws back to recover that past
. . . for the future.
What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being
able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent
moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an
echo in the hallway that will not stop.
I will go into this more later, but what past it is that I want to
pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA , EI
and ICA , all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975 when I
left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA ? I
have some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All
that’s important now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to
discuss, primarily with Jack, how the spirit transformation part of
who we were then (and inside are now) can be transmitted to the
future as we who experienced this grow older and older and pass
away.
The “we” I am talking about is those of us who carry a memory back
of 50-55 years (other may have a different time span) when it seems
to me the really creative breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the
younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I was 21 when
I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or
later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is
something that was gotten or it was not, back then.
So we are a dying cohort and the question has arisen for me whether
there is something we still need to do together? My answer is I
think that if there is something that we still need to do together
it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present and
future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the
interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless
spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but
this is not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more
than just coming out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired
I had many important moments of understanding this past week in
Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for what Marge Philbrook and
colleagues have done on the archives, and for the work Jack has
done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy. I
In brief Jack and those who workshopped with him, realized that its
not just a matter of preserving the past by putting facts in file
cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, but it is giving
people a way of understanding what’s in the collection (Jack uses
the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that
material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially
appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it
gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we
were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on.
In a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I
thought there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and
the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to
be” passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was
“all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded
over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To
recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and
a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is
something we can do and need to do and which no one else can
do.
So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we still need to do
together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By distinguishing
legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is preserving the
past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering the past so
that it might continue to transform the future.
The attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack
would like to receive your suggestions.
More soon,
Herman
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Herman,
It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion
for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the
Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on
how we might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen
you have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short
description for each item which will be available in a week. Someone
mentioned our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to
figure where that would go in the chart. We are interested in other
areas of our work that need to be included.
Jack
On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
> I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last
> Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were
> working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning,
> September 30. It was the only time I could get to see them. I am
> finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward.
> More particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of
> the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who
> Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily an interior
> aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the mystery”
> aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to be
> created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is necessary”
> aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice”
> aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be
> aspect. One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of
> interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the
> Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die,
> but it is still different.) I have only experienced this in the
> Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning
> to pass it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67,
> and see so many colleagues passing away. So while a part of me
> thinks its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76
> event folders (and all the work that goes into that), another part
> of me also claws back to recover that past . . . for the future.
> What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being
> able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent
> moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an
> echo in the hallway that will not stop. I will go into this more
> later, but what past it is that I want to pass on is difficult to
> grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe
> died (or in my case before 1975 when I left the Order), all up to
> today including the recent history of ICA? I have some ideas, but
> they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is
> that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how
> the spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are
> now) can be transmitted to the future as we who experienced this
> grow older and older and pass away. The “we” I am talking about is
> those of us who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have
> a different time span) when it seems to me the really creative
> breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the younger end of those who
> experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined the Order in
> 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have
> “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten
> or it was not, back then. So we are a dying cohort and the
> question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to
> do together? My answer is I think that if there is something that
> we still need to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a
> living legacy for present and future generations. Part of this is
> transmitting facts, part the interior narrative, but most of all it
> is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality we came to know and
> which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it is not a
> simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any
> other short even, inspired I had many important moments of
> understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude
> for what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives,
> and for the work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be
> a living legacy. I In brief Jack and those who workshopped with
> him, realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by
> putting facts in file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it,
> but it is giving people a way of understanding what’s in the
> collection (Jack uses the term “curation” like a museum curator)
> and applying that material to the cutting edge issues of our time.
> What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in
> three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what
> it is that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on. In
> a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought
> there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1
> dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to be”
> passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was “all
> of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded over
> many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To
> recreate this would require thousands of people in summer
> assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I
> think there is something we can do and need to do and which no one
> else can do. So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we
> still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By
> distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is
> preserving the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering
> the past so that it might continue to transform the future. The
> attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack
> would like to receive your suggestions. More soon, Herman
> _____________________________________________ Herman Greene 2516
> Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-929-4116 (h)
> 919-624-0579 (c) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc
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