[Oe List ...] An Amazing Two Days at ICA Chicago-Telling OurStory & The Global Archives

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Thu Oct 4 07:13:21 PDT 2012


I appreciate your comments Margaret. I feel the DEMONSTRATION section 
perhaps needs expansion to include Permeation and Development both of 
which were a huge factors in our lives together. Perhaps box #12 in 
Training, is Community Life, which may include work/writing about 
enablement, One Day Wonder and other practical marvels of living in 
community. This is a different slant than would be taken when looking at 
The Global Order, #2 Corporate Life, which would perhaps included things 
like the Cannonical Hours, THe Rule of the Order, the more formal 
structure of the community.

Beret

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Margaret Helen Aiseayew wrote:


Your chart is wonderful.  I was wondering if  Training, Inc. might not 
be something that fills in that empty box in  training.  As one who was 
sent to be a permeator in every location I was  ever assigned, popular 
preaching was my forte.  I think sometimes it is the  most sustaining 
aspect of my work at the motel even today.

(I had a fellow down for breakfast yesterday morning who  was talking 
about wondering if the job he was doing made a difference.  I  explained 
to him that the difference we make is not something we are promised to 
know in this lifetime.  Told him a little story about having something 
someone had appreciated revealed to me, and then mentioned letting 
others know  their impact on us.  I said it was a gratitude thing.  He 
left the  breakfast room a different person, smiling, laughing.)

I didn't find the permeators guild work in the training  and I was a 
part of the social workers that worked in Fifth City.  I am  certain 
that the teachers would have equivalent revelations to offer.   There 
was always, through permeation and fund raising, a strong connection of 
our strategies to the larger world.  It was like the seeds that are 
scattered in springtime with weeping.  I guess I am suggesting that this 
continuous external engagement that brought data back into the community 
is an  essential piece to the research, demonstration and training 
process,  If I  were working on triangles, I would name it a "that 
without which"  dynamic.

Forgive me in advance if this sounds like someone who  wants to make the 
form of their engagement year after year sound more important  than it 
was to the journey of the whole.  Everyone has to have a story and  this 
is a big part of mine and I am sticking to it.  Thanks for all your 
efforts.

Love to Judi, Margaret
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It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for 
our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We 
are    excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we 
might make that a    reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you 
have sent out. Here it is. I    intend to develop a short description 
for each item which will be available in    a week. Someone mentioned 
our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying    to figure where 
that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas    of our 
work that need to be included. 
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I spent what for me were an      amazing two days in Chicago last 
Thursday and Friday. I went      because Jack and Judy Gilles were 
working on the Global Archives and were      going to leave this 
morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get      to see 
them.

I am finding a yearning to tell      our story and bring some of it 
forward. More particularly I miss working      with people who were 
formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with      activists, truly 
“Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s      primarily 
an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the 
mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to 
be      created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is 
necessary” aspect,      that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and 
sacrifice” aspect,” that      “we can leave all our possessions behind” 
if need be      aspect.

One could argue that the Marines      also create this kind of interior 
steel and discipline, but it is different.      (Actually the Marines 
might excel in honor of country and even willingness      to die, but it 
is still different.)

I have only experienced this in      the Order. I know this has made me 
much of what I am and I have a yearning      to pass it on to others, 
especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so      many colleagues 
passing away.

So while a part of me thinks its      silly for grownups to be filing 
all the town meeting 76 event folders (and      all the work that goes 
into that), another part of me also claws back to      recover that past 
. . . for the future.

What we were as the Order has      passed away (I mean in terms of being 
able to re-create it as it was again),      and all of those magnificent 
moments and events we created have passed away.      Yet there is an 
echo in the hallway that will not      stop.

I will go into this more later,      but what past it is that I want to 
pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the      Order, RSI, EI, ICA , EI 
and ICA , all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975      when I 
left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA ? I 
have      some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All 
that’s important      now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to 
discuss, primarily with Jack,      how the spirit transformation part of 
who we were then (and inside are now)      can be transmitted to the 
future as we who experienced this grow older and      older and pass 
away.

The “we” I am talking about is      those of us who carry a memory back 
of 50-55 years (other may have a      different time span) when it seems 
to me the really creative breakthroughs      occurred. I’m at the 
younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I      was 21 when 
I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or 
later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is 
something      that was gotten or it was not, back then.

So we are a dying cohort and the      question has arisen for me whether 
there is something we still need to do      together? My answer is I 
think that if there is something that we still need      to do together 
it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present      and 
future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the 
interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless 
spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but 
this is      not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more 
than just coming      out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired

I had many important moments of      understanding this past week in 
Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for      what Marge Philbrook and 
colleagues have done on the archives, and for the      work Jack has 
done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy.      I

In brief Jack and those who      workshopped with him, realized that its 
not just a matter of preserving the      past by putting facts in file 
cabinets and waiting for someone to want it,      but it is giving 
people a way of understanding what’s in the collection      (Jack uses 
the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that 
material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially 
appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it 
gave      me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we 
were/are/may need in      some fashion to pass on.

In a certain sense the attached      chart overwhelms me because I 
thought there were a few key things like      “contextual ethics” and 
the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might      “really need to 
be” passed on . . .  just a few key things. But now I      see it was 
“all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded 
over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To 
recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and 
a      new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is 
something we      can do and need to do and which no one else can 
do.

So, in conclusion, I believe      there is something we still need to do 
together and that is to pass on a      living legacy. By distinguishing 
legacy from living legacy I meant this:      “Legacy” is preserving the 
past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is      recovering the past so 
that it might continue to transform the      future.

The attached Accessions chart is      just a beginning. I know that Jack 
would like to receive your      suggestions.

More      soon,

Herman



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Herman,

It was a delight for us to have you there for two days.    Your passion 
for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the 
Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on 
how we    might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen 
you have sent    out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short 
description for each item which    will be available in a week. Someone 
mentioned our work on Popular Preaching    and I'm still trying to 
figure where that would go in the chart. We are    interested in other 
areas of our work that need to be    included.

Jack


On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman    Greene wrote:

> I spent what for me were an amazing two days in    Chicago last 
> Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were 
> working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning, 
> September    30. It was the only time I could get to see them.  I am 
> finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward. 
> More    particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of 
> the same fire    as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who 
> Care,” but something is    missing for me. It’s primarily an interior 
> aspect—that “die on the march”    aspect, that “live the mystery” 
> aspect, that “the past is approved and the    future is open (to be 
> created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is    necessary” 
> aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice” 
> aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be 
> aspect.  One could argue that the Marines also create    this kind of 
> interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the 
> Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, 
> but it is    still different.)  I have only experienced this in the 
> Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning 
> to pass    it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67, 
> and see so many    colleagues passing away.  So while a part of me 
> thinks    its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76 
> event folders (and    all the work that goes into that), another part 
> of me also claws back to    recover that past . . . for the future. 
> What we were as    the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being 
> able to re-create it as it    was again), and all of those magnificent 
> moments and events we created have    passed away. Yet there is an 
> echo in the hallway that will not    stop.  I will go into this more 
> later, but what past it    is that I want to pass on is difficult to 
> grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI,    ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe 
> died (or in my case before 1975 when I left    the Order), all up to 
> today including the recent history of ICA? I have some    ideas, but 
> they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is 
> that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how 
> the    spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are 
> now) can be    transmitted to the future as we who experienced this 
> grow older and older and    pass away.  The “we” I am talking about is 
> those of us    who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have 
> a different time span)    when it seems to me the really creative 
> breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the    younger end of those who 
> experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined    the Order in 
> 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have 
> “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten 
> or it    was not, back then.  So we are a dying cohort and the 
> question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to 
> do    together? My answer is I think that if there is something that 
> we still need    to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a 
> living legacy for present    and future generations. Part of this is 
> transmitting facts, part the interior    narrative, but most of all it 
> is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality    we came to know and 
> which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it    is not a 
> simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any 
> other short even, inspired  I had many important moments    of 
> understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude 
> for    what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives, 
> and for the    work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be 
> a living legacy.    I  In brief Jack and those who workshopped with 
> him,    realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by 
> putting facts in    file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, 
> but it is giving people a    way of understanding what’s in the 
> collection (Jack uses the term “curation”    like a museum curator) 
> and applying that material to the cutting edge issues    of our time. 
> What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in 
> three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what 
> it is    that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on.     In 
> a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought 
> there    were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1 
> dynamic and a few    other things that might “really need to be” 
> passed on . . .  just a few    key things. But now I see it was “all 
> of it”—a giant spiritual event and    happening that unfolded over 
> many years and took many forms all of which were    a single event. To 
> recreate this would require thousands of people in summer 
> assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I 
> think there    is something we can do and need to do and which no one 
> else can    do.  So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we 
> still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By 
> distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is 
> preserving    the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering 
> the past so that it    might continue to transform the future.  The 
> attached    Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack 
> would like to receive    your suggestions.  More soon,     Herman 
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