<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Are people aware that the book Courage to Lead (the Second Edition is clearest) has a chapter on “Meaning in Everyday Life” (Ch. 11) that includes the Other World charts and an exercise on them? Since that is a published book, AI may have had some access to them in that way. Plus there is a section on the Other World on the ICA Archives website at <a href="https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/exploring-inner-life/the-other-world/">https://icaglobalarchives.org/collections/exploring-inner-life/the-other-world/</a><div><br><div><br></div><div>If you don’t have Courage to Lead, I highly recommend it. It explores a lot more of ICA’s basic life understandings than the Other World. There are also online study sessions on the book regularly in several different countries, including one in Nepal this spring. ICA Canada’s website has announcements of the ones in Canada. <a href="https://www.icacan.org/">https://www.icacan.org/</a></div><div><div><br></div><div>Take care,</div><div>Jo</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 14, 2025, at 9:13 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div class="ydpc0577884yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am still wrestling with the question 1. Did we actually encounter / (re)discover the other world in the midst of this world (the realities of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquility as present in our lives and world) or did we just say that??</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I don't think it is a theological question in the first instance at all, but a question of historical experience and discovery. What were the great discoveries of the 20th Century? Was the (re)discovery of what we pointed to as "The Other World in the Midst of This World" one of them? Was it only "us" or is this rediscovery a part of our collective human experience?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div>Here is a podcast . . . <a href="https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/a10b2cfb-c855-4193-acd4-a6a93d768012/audio" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); text-decoration-line: underline;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/a10b2cfb-c855-4193-acd4-a6a93d768012/audio</a></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">And if so, how is this discovery useful in dealing with the challenges of the rest of this century?</div></div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpc0577884signature"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Jim Wiegel </a> <br><div style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <span><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;" class="ydp209e23c4MsoNormal"><span>The
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that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain
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On Sunday, April 13, 2025 at 04:45:14 PM MST, <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800"><div><div class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800WordSection1"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal">I think Bud says about the turn to the world, “<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">In so doing they decided to emphasize Cultural Studies over Religious Studies”. </span></p><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">In my memory it had less to do with studies and more to do with strategy. Joe Mathews came back from a world church meeting that declined to confirm the Order Ecumenical as an entity. That and other dynamics led to a decision to shift from focusing on the local church as the change agent in history (a la HRN) to a direct facilitation method in the community, public and private sectors with LENS and then ICA Facilitation. Along with the Global Demonstration Projects and the ‘whistle points,’ the ICA became a strategic attempt to create a consensus based societal direction. Many of us took those methods and models into a variety of corporate, community and non-profit entities.</span></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal">That in turn involved looking at the dynamics that created and sustained a context that was derived from RS-1 but expressed in non-theological language. Formal Christian language and symbolism had become a restricting dynamic in addressing and engaging a wider audience.</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal">My take anyway. And apologies for the wordy rant in my previous response. I get that way sometimes.</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal">FWIW</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal">Bill Schlesinger</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd58817" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Wiegel via Dialogue<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 13, 2025 1:25 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> rev.bud@mac.com<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Order Community <oe@wedgeblade.net><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] 2 questions about the other world in the midst of this world</p></div></div></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd79751" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">SO . . .looks like no one has a recording of "The Mys'try is Everywhere" Would anyone be willing to SING it on zoom while I record?</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">SO . . . 2 people responded that we did indeed encounter / (re) discover /map the other world (the phenomena of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquility) in the midst of "this world". </span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">ANYONE ELSE??</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">As to Bud's question, see below some interweaving.</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rev.bud@mac.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">rev.bud@mac.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p></div></div></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yahoo_quoted_4725343228"><div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd29830" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622"><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd42625" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Let me be clearer, if I can, of what I’m asking, which is in reference to Jim Wiegel’s question: "Did we actually encounter/(re)discover the other world in the midst of this world (the realities of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquillity as present in our lives and world) or did we just say that?”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I’m aware of a lot concerning the beginnings of the Order. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://youtu.be/TmUQj4_wKtE?si%3Dra_czWIN1uUzTsv9&source=gmail-imap&ust=1745177129000000&usg=AOvVaw3b9nAx2XaeuxYkE9zU_v9k" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:#26282A;">Jack Lewis hiring Joe Matthews</span></a><span style="color:#26282A;"> to be an extraordinary lecturer for the Christian Faith and Life Community in Austin. The development of RSI around a Christian existentialism based on Bultmann, Tillich, and Bonhoeffer in the early 1950s. </span><span style="color:#9C005C;"> I think you should include H. Richard Niebuhr . . .</span></span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp8de7ee8fenhancr_card_5015285043"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="400" style="width:300.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr style="min-height:105.0pt;"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border:none;background:black;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;min-height:105.0pt;"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span></span><table align="left" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="7" height="252"></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"><span id="cid:WUj8yUUzTlEVIhje4Kz3"><image007.jpg></span></td></tr></tbody></table> </p><br clear="ALL"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px;"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="z-index:251655168;margin-left:7px;margin-top:234px;width:499px;min-height:223px;"><span id="cid:IAxd3MUGpKqqU3z5cTod"><image008.png></span></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:0 0 0 2px;"><div align="center"><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 2px;z-index:2;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt;"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><img id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800_x0000_i1025" border="0" height="36" style="min-height:.375in;" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true"></p></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="99%" style="width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 0;"><h2 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1D2228;">24 Joe Slicker Mathews Went Down to be with Jack Lewis</span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I’m aware of what we may call a ’turn to the church’ by <a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://youtu.be/wwSefTMgDH4?si%3Dvy28C99WlyVQNpme&source=gmail-imap&ust=1745177129000000&usg=AOvVaw3o5OMLgcdCp46vcrFUPkjC" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">part of the CFLC staff</a> with part of them <a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://youtu.be/uIutSynAQV0?si%3DllE6EueDZd8Vg-qi&source=gmail-imap&ust=1745177129000000&usg=AOvVaw0vO5ByIaAWp7rACbTdn2jG" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">going off to Chicago</a> in Easter 1962 to <a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://youtu.be/qsGecqvnQqs?si%3DdJsgi_uw6MPnQPu3&source=gmail-imap&ust=1745177129000000&usg=AOvVaw2Fu9bCwIhJHYKQajI49pyx" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">create E.I. </a>I’m aware of the ’turn to the world’ in the 1970s. 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id="cid:be0nEox5QcqViWjyMB6P"><image010.png></span></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:0 0 0 2px;"><div align="center"><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 2px;z-index:2;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt;"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><img id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800_x0000_i1028" border="0" height="36" style="min-height:.375in;" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true"></p></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="99%" style="width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 0;"><h2 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1D2228;">31 Joe Slicker In '62 We Got Run out of Austin</span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">This was not a discontinuation of dependence upon an existentialist theology. Though the Order shunned Gene Marshall, he did not shun the thought of Bultmann, Tillich, and Bonhoeffer. I reference his writings where he develops their thought (<a shape="rect" href="https://www.realisticliving.org/koob/GreatParagraphs/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.realisticliving.org/koob/GreatParagraphs/</a>)</span></p><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">It is even clearer his continued reliance on existentialism in his lecture on Consciousness:</span></p></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">(<a shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2d5zZB1e5A&t=403s" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2d5zZB1e5A&t=403s</a>)</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">But I lost contact with the Order and its thought basis after the ’turn to the world'. Was there further theological reflection beyond existentialism? If so, what form did it take?</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I don't really know enough theology or philosophy in a formal or academic sense to answer your question. Here are some possibilities.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">What about this little talk about <a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/comd/100012.htm&source=gmail-imap&ust=1745177129000000&usg=AOvVaw3yq0bumSB7rYlIJuHCkTZ2" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">"The Barefoot Jesus"</a> </span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydpa97a06deenhancr_card_4694694916"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="400" style="width:300.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormalTable"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt;"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="99%" style="width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 0;"><h2 style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.25pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1D2228;">Untitled</span></h2></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I also attach a paper attributed to John Epps "The Jesus Principle" that may be helpful.</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Peace,</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Bud</span></p></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt19637"><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On 12 Apr 2025, at 16:34, James Wiegel <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622yqt12736"><div><div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd24102" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Bud asked ( and Jim dodged) this question: "How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"</span></p><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Anyone??</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I am still hoping for a recording of “The Mys’try is Everywhere”</span></p></div><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Anyone?</span></p></div></div><div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd83097" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712"><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jim Wiegel</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622p1"><span class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622s1"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">“…the long work</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><br clear="none"><span class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622s1">of turning their lives</span><br clear="none"><span class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622s1">into a celebration</span><br clear="none"><span class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622s1">is not easy. Come </span></span><span style="font-size:19.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">and let us talk“. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800ydp5fbe1f42yiv4562258622p1"><span style="font-size:19.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p></div></div><div><p class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:15 AM, <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rev.bud@mac.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">rev.bud@mac.com</a> wrote:</span></p></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div id="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqtfd24003" class="ydp3a22614yiv1343704800yqt3292179712">"How is the claim of "encountering another world” related to the Gospel?"</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br clear="none">
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