<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Ken,<div>Thank you for your general review of what happened when, and what we were doing as an Order. </div><div><br></div><div>I am aware that I deeply experienced the events you offer. I also know that my memory of it was in the “experience” of the times and our work, not the why or when.</div><div><br></div><div>I totally appreciated your flowing narration of how all that came about and our history of why we worked on particular areas, or in what sequence. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank you</div><div>Ruth </div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone <div> -To share is to live -</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 12, 2025, at 8:47 AM, Ken Fisher via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 11, 2025, at 6:39 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto">1. Did we actually encounter / (re)discover the other world in the midst of this world (the realities of mystery, consciousness, care and tranquillity as present in our lives and world) or did we just say that??</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dear Colleagues,</div><div><br></div><div>Jim, <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">a couple of years ago </span>you raised something this question (of faith?) around this time of the year - April 5th - the anniversary of the ’68 riots. Thank-you for raising it again.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me update my response. Memory and feeling evolve with age. I will go for more feeling.</div><div><br></div><div>I arrived on the West Side about 40 days after the riots. <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">At 24, l</span>eaving Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, my context included: in Ottawa in ’64, being a fundraiser for SNCC (Student Non-Violent Co-ordinating Committee) - voter registration in Mississippi; being on the national executives of the Canadian equivalent of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) and the SCM (Student Christian Movement); working on a railway gang; community organizing with the very poor; and during the Vietnam War, running deserters from the American Army over the border into Canada.</div><div><br></div><div>None of that prepared me for experiencing the impact of the riots on the 100 or so folks living at 3444 West Congress Parkway. Everyone was still in shock. They had 'the thousand yard’ stare. I could not fathom what they had lived. Their sense of purpose was thrown into the void.</div><div><br></div><div>Some weeks later, Joe would do a collegium on the bottom dropping of knowing and doing.</div><div><br></div><div><div><Knowing, Doing & Being.jpeg></div></div><div><br></div><div>The summer of ’68 was focused on the New Religious Mode, the next step towards ‘visiting’ the other world in the midst of our world.</div><div><br></div><div>For better of for worse, at that time we had a great fear of ‘psychologism’ - legitimizing ego-based subjectivity over the sheer objectivity of the theological revolution. My take is that with this lens, Joe was intent on guiding us to discern a firm screen over the abyss of desolation and ecstasy. As a step, studying Nikos Kazanzakis' Saviours of God was brilliant. Joe was outside the box. This commenced a four-year research journey culminating in Summer ’72. (The Great Turn - a related topic)</div><div><br></div><div>With a cue like, “Sometimes …. I feel like a motherless child…” a collegium would fall into awe, a tangible awe, a thick-as-concrete awe.</div><div><br></div><div>When Joe and Lynn’s son John died in a car accident, Joe witnessed his grief under the rubric of ‘endlessness’ (the raging sea of tranquility). His ‘visit’ to the other world was grounded in our experience the riots.</div><div><br></div><div>It was his/our intent to map the other world …. in the midst of our world ... to act as a screen of itegrity to support the sharing of the profundity of human experience, regardless of differing religious metaphor. This was underneath.</div><div><br></div><div>A dozen years ago Joyce Marshall re-introduced me to a practice of daily 20-minute contemplation. Always, there are states of being that arrive in this practice. To save me from sentimentality and subjectivity, I recovered my interest in our map. I was then able to get a copy from David Dunn. I regularly refer to it - in the moment - to find my place in the ‘everlasting arms’.</div><div><br></div><div><div><Other World.jpeg></div></div><div><br></div><div>I am endlessly grateful to Jon & Maureen Jenkins, Jim Campbell, Anna Stanley, John Burbidge, Charles Hahn, Charlene Powell and Beverly Gazarian for this 1985 publication.</div><div><br></div><div>Ken</div><div><br></div><div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Ken Fisher</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">1070 Elizabeth Street - </font></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Box 75</font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Sharbot Lake ON </font></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">K0H 2P0</font></span></div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Canada</font></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-align: -webkit-auto;">613.203.0180</span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">@KandPtrail</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">@klovesm.bsky.social</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br></font></span></div></span></font></span></div></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4184d724yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp4184d724signature"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><a href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jim Wiegel </a> <br><div style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <span><p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal;" class="ydp209e23c4MsoNormal"><span>The
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