<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I should add to my first response gratitude for Wayne’s work on Getting to the Bottom of ToP, because his intent was to capture as much as possible of the shared wisdom that our elders in ICA had put together. I could have not done the research on phenomenology, especially in reading Kierkegaard, Hollister, and Heidegger, that he did, nor have made it accessible the way he did. <div><br></div><div>Also a note that Getting to the Bottom of ToP was published in 2017 by iUniverse, and is also available on Amazon. Royalty also goes to ICA Canada. </div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">From the mobile desk of<div>Jo Nelson <div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 9, 2024, at 7:50 PM, Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">From a footnote on p.12 in Chapter 2 of Getting to the Bottom of ToP: “Chapter 2 in The Sickness Unto Death, written in 1849.” It also quotes two more precise quotes from Kierkegaard from pp 146 and 147 in the book in the bibliography. <div><br></div><div>In the bibliography: “Fear and Trembling and The Sickness Unto Death”, Princeton University Press, 1941</div><div><br></div><div>On pp 12 and 13 in Getting to the Bottom of ToP, Wayne also notes that ICA summarized the quote slightly as “The self is a relation, which in relating itself to itself, and willing itself to be itself, is grounded transparently in the power which posited it.” </div><div><br></div><div>The Second Edition of The Art of Focused Conversation, due to be published on September 10, also quotes the same source. (This book is available for pre-order at New Society Publishers and also Amazon. The royalties go to ICA Canada.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr">From the mobile desk of<div>Jo Nelson <div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:55 PM, Ed Feldmanis via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr">Maybe, it is, the self is the self in which relating itself to itself and and willing itself to be itself, grounds itself in the power which deposits I think that's pretty close. Maybe somebody can update some of the wording.</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 5:36 PM James Wiegel via Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."<div><br></div><div>And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.</div><div><br></div><div>Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?</div><div><br></div><div>I am afeared that I am misusing it.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br id="m_-5505681324811006383lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13pt">Jim Wiegel</span><br><div>
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