<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Debra is right on the point of many people will die in this process as we try and be in personal (local Community) situations. Specifically there is no mention in this Podcast nor its connection with The Climate change that is happening. One is feeding the other. My takeaway is that each of us has two connections that need to happen. One is at the local level. Each of us, (awakened selves) need to see what we can do in our own locale to mitigate the affect of Climate by supporting local gardens, Green Space designs and Connecting with others who are doing so. It is happening here in Mexico and you can see a difference in the fact that you can buy from these sources. That is happening but must become more prevalent. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The second is on the Macro level in regards to the whole Earth. People in this Dialogue are from all around the Earth and therefore the Awakening of people is also the occasion to connect Those Who Care with like minded people everywhere. My one example is an organization called WOTR, Water Organization Trust in Maharastra India that has many Local Communities who have transformed their local Watersheds into Businesses and each community’s gift to the whole World. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope this makes sense. Those commenting on this beautiful Podcast that Karen Newkirk does have pointed out. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Peace Within,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jack <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 10, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Debra Harris via Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--><div class="">
<div class=""><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class="">Larry,</span></div><div class=""><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;" class="">I’m trying to hold the tension between what you wrote and the conversations we had during the group study on Choosing Earth. I’m not sure how Elgin’s (and many other) solemn predictions on climate change fit into the below paradigm… </span></div><ol class="yiv3969288656MailOutline" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; word-wrap: break-word !important;"><li class="yiv3969288656" style="word-wrap: break-word !important;">Most things improve</li><li class="yiv3969288656" style="word-wrap: break-word !important;">Most people are in the middle</li><li class="yiv3969288656" style="word-wrap: break-word !important;">Countries need social development</li><li class="yiv3969288656" style="word-wrap: break-word !important;">The things we fear are unlikely to kill us</li></ol>#3 is absolutely correct. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yet concerning #1 & # 3: I fear the rapid progression of climate change and worry it will potentially kill much of humanity if we don’t make significant changes/mitigation/radical decisions & actions. In other words, change is happening, there is deep desire to improve our situation and yet it will take system wide global radical actions- and even those actions may be too late… </div><div class=""><br class="">On what helps makes a difference, you wrote:<br class=""><ul class="yiv3969288656"><li class="yiv3969288656">Knowledge</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Enthusiasm for possible human futures</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Ethical values creative tensions to deal with modern reality - respectful reality with the biosphere and each other</li></ul><div class="">Sincerely,</div><div class="">Debra Harris</div><div class="">Houston</div><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" class="">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br class=""><br class=""><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 8:38 PM, Lawrence Philbrook via Dialogue <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv3969288656" class=""><div class="">Thanks Jim and thanks Karen<div class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"></div><div class="yiv3969288656">I found Karens Podcast very good. The community development Community of Practice was talking yesterday about the edge of Community development work and I am wondering if your podcast illunimates the complexity of the question.</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><div class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"></div><div class="yiv3969288656">Can you say some more about Aggressive Inertia and how to perceive it and counter it?</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"></div><div class="yiv3969288656">Hans Rosling ted talks (serious possibilist) Seemingly impossible is possible we could have a good world</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><ol class="yiv3969288656MailOutline"><li class="yiv3969288656">Most things improve</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Most people are in the middle</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Countries need social development</li><li class="yiv3969288656">The things we fear are unlikely to kill us</li></ol></div><div class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"></div><div class="yiv3969288656">Avoiding preconceived ideas to learn from Indigenous peoples - 4 categories of knowledge = Literacy of the land - Clues</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><ul class="yiv3969288656"><li class="yiv3969288656">21 Stories from around Australia - Enduring narrative</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Acute observation - Observing a Moth</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Alert responsiveness - Marine Parade re-enactment</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Wholistic Attentiveness- Fire management but barrier to seeing through to the level of complexity because of pre-conceptions</li></ul></div><div class="yiv3969288656">3 human constructs that are critical</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><ul class="yiv3969288656"><li class="yiv3969288656">Knowledge</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Enthusiasm for possible human futures</li><li class="yiv3969288656">Ethical values creative tensions to deal with modern reality - respectful reality with the biosphere and each other</li></ul></div><div class="yiv3969288656">With respect, Larry</div><div class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"></div><div class="yiv3969288656"><blockquote type="cite" class="yiv3969288656"><div class="yiv3969288656"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-111-bending-history-karen-newkirk/id1446199958?i=1000537185353" class="yiv3969288656">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-111-bending-history-karen-newkirk/id1446199958?i=1000537185353</a></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class="yiv3969288656"><blockquote type="cite" class="yiv3969288656"><div class="yiv3969288656">On Oct 10, 2021, at 04:37, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:dialogue-request@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dialogue-request@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="yiv3969288656">dialogue-request@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="yiv3969288656Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv3969288656">Send Dialogue mailing list submissions to<br class="yiv3969288656"><span class="yiv3969288656Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="yiv3969288656">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class="yiv3969288656"><span class="yiv3969288656Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" class="">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><br class="yiv3969288656">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class="yiv3969288656"><span class="yiv3969288656Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>dialogue-request@lists.wedgeblade.net<br class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class="yiv3969288656"><span class="yiv3969288656Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"> </span>dialogue-owner@lists.wedgeblade.net<br class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="yiv3969288656">than "Re: Contents of Dialogue digest..."<br class="yiv3969288656">Today's Topics:<br class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"> 1. 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Bending History (James Wiegel)<br class="yiv3969288656"><br class="yiv3969288656"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;" class="yiv3969288656"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class="yiv3969288656"><b class="yiv3969288656">From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="yiv3969288656">James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com><br class="yiv3969288656"></span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;" class="yiv3969288656"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgba(127, 127, 127, 1.0);" class="yiv3969288656"><b class="yiv3969288656">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="yiv3969288656"><b class="yiv3969288656">[Dialogue] Dr. Karen Newkirk. 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