<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font size="2" class="">There was a time that Theology was regarded as the Queen of Science, but that lost ground when theologians began to look through telescopes and microscopes and the story of the universe began to change. Today theology and religion seem to be caught in a time warp trying to reinterpret the past for the “sake of the future.” Anyone know of where the science and theology community are exploring the present, and perhaps together? Rob Work posted a thought of his from several years back on his Facebook page today that may be a starting point. "<span style="color: rgb(29, 33, 41); font-family: 'San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif; letter-spacing: -0.23999999463558197px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">What a stunning mystery! To be a conscious living being as part of a 13.8 billion year old universe with billions of more years to create, explore and experience! Who could ever have dreamed or made this up? And with only one thing to do – love it all, moment by moment, situation by situation, being by being. But how to do that with wisdom and skillful means, that is the question, the challenge, the calling." I wrote this on FB three years ago today. Still my experience. What do you think?</span></font><font color="#1d2129" face="San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="letter-spacing: -0.23999999463558197px;" class="">”</span></font><div class=""><font color="#1d2129" face="San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span style="letter-spacing: -0.23999999463558197px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:24 AM, H. A. Tillinghast via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Bill I also like the quadrilateral. I also contend the Experience is central- though everyone disagrees with me. After all, the Scripture records the experience of the biblical writers and the Tradition records the experience of the church.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bud</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:54 PM, William Salmon via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">Susan,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em class="">et al</em>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> Something to consider. The wonderful thing about our personal experiences is that we all look at the same reality, but we bring to this task a set of prescription glasses (lenses?) that colors our perception of the reality we all experience. This makes the task a personal one.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> This is why the quadrilateral of John Wesley is helpful. Wesley believed we need to ask four questions about any task or conversation about that task: scripture, tradition, reason and experience. This provided those who use these four dynamics to be kept from being dilatants.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> The following paragraph will explain this process:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="widows: 1; text-transform: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-indent: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: 21px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; white-space: normal; float: none; letter-spacing: normal; color: rgb(85, 85, 85); word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important;" class=""><font size="2" class=""><em class="">The phrase which has relatively recently come into use to describe the principal factors that John Wesley believed illuminate the core of the Christian faith for the believer. Wesley did not formulate the succinct statement now commonly referred to as the Wesley Quadrilateral. Building on the Anglican theological tradition, Wesley added a fourth emphasis, experience. The resulting four components or "sides" of the quadrilateral are (1) Scripture, (2) tradition, (3) reason, and (4) experience. For United Methodists, Scripture is considered the primary source and standard for Christian doctrine. Tradition is experience and the witness of development and growth of the faith through the past centuries and in many nations and cultures. Experience is the individual's understanding and appropriating of the faith in the light of his or her own life. Through reason the individual Christian brings to bear on the Christian faith discerning and cogent thought. These four elements taken together bring the individual Christian to a mature and fulfilling understanding of the Christian faith and the required response of worship and service.</em></font></span></div><div align="right" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="1" face="Arial" class="">(Source: A Dictionary for United Methodists, Alan K. Waltz,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div align="right" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="1" face="Arial" class="">Copyright 1991, Abingdon Press. Used by Permission.)</font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> I like this and I use it often. It allows me to identify my personal experience, and then to measure my perceptions by </font><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">the other dynamics; this keeps me from getting arrogant; the "selfy-age often strikes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> Weskey said that "scripture" was prime. However, there are those among us who affirm that "experience" could be prime and then supported or challenged by tradition, reason and the scriptures.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> Thanks for sharing.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""> Bill<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font> </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; 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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""> </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""> </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Susan Fertig via OE</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Isobel and Jim Bishop</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Order EcumenicalCommunity</a></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 19, 2016 10:56 PM</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Oe List ...] Listserve on prayer, 2-story universe, etc.</div><div class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font><font size="2" face="Arial" class=""></font><br class=""></div><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">If we’re operating out of experience, mine is just different than yours. So, just as I’m not likely to change anybody’s mind on this listserv, none of the comments here are likely to change mine. I know what I know. I believe what I believe.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Someone actually accused people who believe what I believe of “shallowness” and “superstition.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Interesting that in my church of about 3,000 congregants, some of the greatest minds in a city rife with intellect, scientific or from other disciplines, engage with God in a way you’d all probably laugh about. But of course we are all deficient intellectually in the minds of people who have dismissed this way of looking at relationship with God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Superstition is avoiding black cats and walking under ladders. It bears no resemblance to my faith.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">My experience of the other world is as real as my hand in front of my face.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family: Papyrus; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 16pt;" class="">Susan<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Papyrus; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 11pt;" class="">Susan Fertig-Dykes<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Papyrus; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 8pt;" class="">(personal email account)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Papyrus; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 8pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 9pt;" class="">And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11</span></i><span style="font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 9pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 8pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 8pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;" class="">Protect against email address harvesting:<br class="">Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;" class="">delete senders’ E-Mail addresses when forwarding.</span><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">NOTE: I won’t be offended if you ask me to remove you from my emails.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(8, 8, 8); font-size: 8pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225);" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OE [<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 19, 2016 10:27 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jack Gilles <<a href="mailto:jackcgilles@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jackcgilles@gmail.com</a>>; Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Oe List ...] Listserve on prayer, 2-story universe, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Isobel and Jim Bishop<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Dear Folks, especially Jack, <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">I too am grateful that the list serve is still ticking over! I have observed over the years I have been reading this listserve- that in the summer months in the northern hemisphere- you all are quieter, and don' t engage so much.. I have always thought to myself <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">that this is because you like to be outdoors, enjoying your summer….? In the winter months when you don' t go out so much, you seem to stay by your computer more often and write pearls of wisdom….Just my observation from down here in Oz.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Yes, I listened to Joe's lecture and it brought back so many memories. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">I thought he described the two storey universe well. I hope that Susan found it useful. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Nowadays I think what Joe was saying to me-- can best be described as the connectedness of ALL of life- both at the very centre of my life, and in the cosmos, and in the urban, secular everyday life of connecting with the world and all that is within it. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">… and at the edges too. ...the farthest reaches of the planet. I did notice that the last few words of Joe's talk included ' all of Creation itself.' This made me realise that Joe was way ahead of his time, talking about Creation….<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">A word about prayer… Some time ago, on the list serve there was some reference to prayer- and Jim Weigel gave a small description of it- as ' leaning to the good'. I don't know if this helps others, but it helped me at the time, and I still reflect on these <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">words. I do feel that good vibes which I empathise about a situation; can bring gentleness and calmness to a situation, be it a person, or a situation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Enough from me from Leichhardt, an inner west suburb of Sydney. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Jim is well- has just had had both his caratacts renewed, and will be 87 next month. I am 80, and still very active. We do lots of walking and exercises etc., <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Our daughter Rebecca, a US citizen, will be voting again in your Election, I reckon. It is quite scary from this viewpoint. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">All the best to y'all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">and with grace, peace, and love, <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">from Isobel. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">On 20/09/2016, at 1:57 AM, Jack Gilles via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">There should be a request to share the ability to open. 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