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<div style="font-size: 10pt; "><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">I started this good book, bit son Scott came to visit, got into it and took it home to read. Thanks Ken. </p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Jann</p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></p><div id="SignatureBox" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">Sent from my LG Escape2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</div></div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; "><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;">------ Original message------</p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>From: </b>Ken Fisher via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net></dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net></p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Date: </b>Fri, Feb 5, 2016 11:43 AM</p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>To: </b>Order Ecumenical Community;Colleague Dialogue;</p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><b>Subject:</b>[Dialogue] Grits, Green Beans and the Holy Ghost: Memoirs of a Girl Monk</p><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><br></p></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><br class=""></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Grits-Green-Beans-Holy-Ghost/dp/099703680X" class="">http://www.amazon.com/Grits-Green-Beans-Holy-Ghost/dp/099703680X</a></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><br class=""></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><div id="booksTitle" class="feature" data-feature-name="booksTitle" style="box-sizing: border-box; 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text-rendering: optimizelegibility; color: rgb(85, 85, 85) !important; font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 1.255 !important; font-weight: 400 !important;">– December 2, 2015</span></h1></div><div id="byline" class="feature a-spacing-micro a-section bylineHidden" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 4px !important;" dir="ltr">by <span class="author notFaded" data-width="" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><a class="a-link-normal" href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Carol+J+Poole&search-alias=books&field-author=Carol+J+Poole&sort=relevancerank" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 192);">Carol J Poole</a> <span class="contribution" spacing="none" style="box-sizing: border-box;"><span class="a-color-secondary" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(85, 85, 85) !important;">(Author)</span></span></span></div></div><div id="averageCustomerReviews_feature_div" class="feature" data-feature-name="averageCustomerReviews" style="box-sizing: border-box; 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height: 88px;"></iframe></div></div></div></div></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><br class=""></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><br class=""></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class="">I still have occasional conversations with ex-Order members who either deny or minimize the experiences of abuse and neglect our order children and youth experienced. Now, there are so many examples to choose from, of ruptured families and folks in midlife still healing from their experiences growing up in the Order. For sure there were those who did not have this experience.</font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class="">I will always experience sadness over leaving my 6 month old son in the Student House and not seeing him for a year while I saved the world in India. And soon after he joined us in Bombay, I left him for another 6 weeks as I went to teach and ITI in north India!</font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><span style="color: rgb(20, 24, 35); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class="">In short, Carol asks: "Who is responsible for my childhood neglect and abuse, and that of my peers?" My answer is: "Those of us who were parents, the Order and Joe Matthew's in particular.</span><font color="#141823" class="">”</font></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(20, 24, 35); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font color="#141823" class="">Metaphorically, Carol responds: "Whether your answer is yes-and-no, or no-and-yes, life itself completely supports your continuation of having hopes and dreams, and invites you to be your mystery, depth and greatness.</font></span><font color="#141823" class="">”</font></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(20, 24, 35); background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font color="#141823" class="">I just re-read </font></span><span style="color: rgb(20, 24, 35); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Kaye Hayes (Kaze) Gadway</span><span style="background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font color="#141823" class=""> summer 2000 apology signed by 150 Order parents and adults. "We are brokenhearted about the suffering we allowed and even more sorry that it has taken so long to acknowledge this to you. This is only an opening of what we hope will be an ongoing dialogue. We need to hear your truth. We are ready to listen." So be it.</font></span></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class=""><font color="#141823" size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font color="#141823" size="4" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(246, 247, 248);" class="">Although she never lived the O:E, wife Patricia and I are reading </span>this together.</font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font color="#141823" size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font color="#141823" size="4" class="">Ken Fisher</font></div><font size="4" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></font><div apple-content-edited="true" class="" dir="ltr"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" dir="ltr"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" dir="ltr"><div class="" dir="ltr"><div class="" dir="ltr"><div class="" dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4">Ken Fisher</font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">1070 Elizabeth Street </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Box 75</font></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font size="4" class=""><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">Sharbot Lake ON </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">K0H 2P0</font></font></div></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><a href="tel:613.279.1902">613.279.1902</a></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><div class="" dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4"><a href="mailto:kenfisher1942@gmail.com" class="">kenfisher1942@gmail.com</a></font></div><div class="" dir="ltr"><div class="" dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="4">Ken Fisher @KandPtrail</font></div></div><div style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="" dir="ltr"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial"><br class=""></font></span></div></font></div></div></div></span></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class=""></div></body></html>