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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Mark,<br>
just a note of thanks for this impressive response to a
significant question. Both simple and sophisticated, both grounded
and creative, - comprehensive and trustworthy. Good additions to
Charles' contribution.<br>
<br>
We are less involved in this type of professional work these days,
but useful for all our now mostly voluntary work re climate change
and many other matters of big concern (as well as many areas of
our personal and organisational life).<br>
<br>
Thanks again and best wishes,<br>
Maria and Richard <br>
<br>
<br>
On 27/10/2015 7:51 AM, 'Mark Butz' <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mark.butz@bigpond.com">mark.butz@bigpond.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hi Frank &
all <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Frank, thanks
for revealing nostalgic music as a legal way to get
‘high’ – will try it out tonight <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">My work has a
slightly different take on this – many of my clients
in government and not-for-profits work within a
broadly consistent frame, although the process varies:
<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">A preferred
state or a set of preferred actions are analysed for
risk by 1) identifying risk and 2) assessing both
likelihood and impact of that risk <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">As a guide to
priority effort, these can be plotted in a simple
quadrant (there had to be a quadrant!) e.g. likelihood
on vertical axis, impact on horizontal axis:<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">High
likelihood + <br>
Low impact <o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">High
likelihood + <br>
High impact <o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Low
impact + <br>
Low likelihood<o></o></span></p>
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align="center"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">High
impact +<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;"
align="center"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Low
likelihood <o></o></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">The priority
effort needs to be focused on upper right risks – this
involves strategies and actions to mitigate the impact
and/or to reduce the likelihood of that risk biting <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Little effort
is warranted in lower left, and the others need
case-by-case thought (although most will retain some
focus on high impact risks, regardless of perceived
likelihood) <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Compared with
ToP, there are lots of helpful consistencies e.g.:<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">- generating
the preferred state (desired future, practical vision)
or initial set of actions or actions to mitigate and
avoid risk can be done by focused conversation or
workshop (depending on scale and context) <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">- addressing
‘risk’ requires people to layer down to causal factors
(I am avoiding ‘root cause analysis’ here because it
has become tainted with controversy) – essentially,
to work out what is driving what (what begets what)
because if we target risk mitigation & avoidance
actions further down the chain of causality, we have
can have an effect on multiple identified risks – we
sap the strength from ‘below’ - not much different
from the approach commonly taken for contradictions
(underlying obstacles, underlying reality) <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">- in
explaining this to participants beforehand, I like to
have a conversation about road safety, work safety or
health to illustrate how a range of factors for both
avoidance of likelihood and mitigation of impact might
be considered (personal protective equipment is a
common one – sometimes we can’t or don’t want to avoid
a situation but we can reduce its impact with
forethought about having protective apparatus
available) <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">- plotting
into the quadrant is a case of using ‘given
categories’ (often a workshop) – this is a very useful
dialogue for participants about the interaction
between the nature of their business, the way they do
business, and their working context(s) <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">- after this
analysis, a set of (targeted) mitigating or avoiding
actions is generated (generally a workshop)<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">All of that is
consistent with what Charles has said more precisely –
I hope it helps <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Best wishes <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Mark <o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> <o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ICA_Aus_Faculty@yahoogroups.com">ICA_Aus_Faculty@yahoogroups.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ICA_Aus_Faculty@yahoogroups.com">mailto:ICA_Aus_Faculty@yahoogroups.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 27 October 2015 12:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ICA_Aus@yahoogroups.com">ICA_Aus@yahoogroups.com</a>; Charles Jago;
Dialogue ICA; Faculty ToP<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ICA_Aus_Faculty] Re: Risk
Management<o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Charles.<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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item is useful, too.<o></o></p>
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From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 23:08:12 +1100<br>
Subject: [ICA_Aus] Re: Risk Management<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;background:white;">Hi
Frank and all</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;">My
"project management" mostly in
information technology projects
involved a lot of risk
management. <o></o></span></p>
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;">It comes
down to what could go wrong, so
that you have plans in place to
deal with eventualities. Also
awareness to notice issues before
they get out of hand. Some of
these are quite basic, such as
what happens if there is a flood,
power failure, financial crisis or
whatever. This is a big deal for
pilots, where accidents happen
when things aren't under control.
Airline risks are usually OK until
two or more things go wrong at
once, leading to accidents. <o></o></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;">From my
perspective, contradictions focus
more on the underlying things,
while most risk management is
fairly objective.<o></o></span></p>
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;">People
in risk management do
brainstorming and classifying
risks, so that could look like an
issues workshop. So there is some
overlap. <o></o></span></p>
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;">Over
time, especially with the
introduction of ISO 31000, risk
management has moved to cover more
systemic issues, so this would
also feed the overlap with
contradictions you have noticed.<o></o></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;"><a
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target="_blank"><span
style="color:#598FDE;">Wikipedia
has good coverage of risk
management</span></a>.<o></o></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;">Cheers<o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Posted by: frank bremner <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">G'day colleagues<o></o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o> </o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm on a bit of a "high",
having been to a concert with Burt Bacharach last
night - two hours, no interval, and almost every
Bacharach song you could think of - even back to
Liberty Valance and 24 Hours from Tulsa. Great
backing musicians (about a dozen) and singers
(three plus some of the musicians). And at almost
half-price, thanks to a group called Lasttix, who
promote slow-selling shows.<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, down to business. I've
been helping a friend doing a TAFE-level course
in Managing Risk. (TAFE = Technical and Further
Education > similar to the US community
college.) I've not touched "risk" in this context
before. Has anyone done so?<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Risk Management, from the
"management" area, seems to overlap with the area
we used to call Contradictions. <o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any reflections?<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frank Bremner<o></o></p>
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font-weight: 700;
font-size: 78%;
line-height: 122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad {
margin-bottom: 10px;
padding: 0 0;
}
#actions {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 11px;
padding: 10px 0;
}
#activity {
background-color: #e0ecee;
float: left;
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 10px;
padding: 10px;
}
#activity span {
font-weight: 700;
}
#activity span:first-child {
text-transform: uppercase;
}
#activity span a {
color: #5085b6;
text-decoration: none;
}
#activity span span {
color: #ff7900;
}
#activity span .underline {
text-decoration: underline;
}
.attach {
clear: both;
display: table;
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 12px;
padding: 10px 0;
width: 400px;
}
.attach div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
.attach img {
border: none;
padding-right: 5px;
}
.attach label {
display: block;
margin-bottom: 5px;
}
.attach label a {
text-decoration: none;
}
blockquote {
margin: 0 0 0 4px;
}
.bold {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: 700;
}
.bold a {
text-decoration: none;
}
dd.last p a {
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span {
margin-right: 10px;
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span.yshortcuts {
margin-right: 0;
}
div.attach-table div div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.attach-table {
width: 400px;
}
div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 10px;
font-weight: normal;
}
.green {
color: #628c2a;
}
.MsoNormal {
margin: 0 0 0 0;
}
o {
font-size: 0;
}
#photos div {
float: left;
width: 72px;
}
#photos div div {
border: 1px solid #666666;
height: 62px;
overflow: hidden;
width: 62px;
}
#photos div label {
color: #666666;
font-size: 10px;
overflow: hidden;
text-align: center;
white-space: nowrap;
width: 64px;
}
#reco-category {
font-size: 77%;
}
#reco-desc {
font-size: 77%;
}
.replbq {
margin: 4px;
}
#ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
/* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
margin-right: 2px;
padding-right: 5px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size: 13px;
font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
*font-size: small;
*font: x-small;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size: inherit;
font: 100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {
font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {
font:115% monospace;
*font-size:100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height: 1.22em;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
padding-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-msg p a {
font-family: Verdana;
}
#ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
color: #1E66AE;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco #reco-head {
color: #ff7900;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
font-size: 130%;
text-decoration: none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
#ygrp-text {
font-family: Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p {
margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt {
font-size: 120%;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;
}
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