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Just to input a little, here's an incredible YouTube video of Ricardo
Semler from Brazil talking about the issue and what he's doing to address
it -- in companies and schools and NGO's. It's worth considering in this
context. Here it is:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQxf9wviXyc" eudora="autourl">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQxf9wviXyc</a><br><br>
John<br><br>
At 10:44 AM 6/1/2015, Jack Gilles via Dialogue wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear All,<br><br>
I agree that there are so many “good” things happening at the local
levels all over. That is how history will change. I get frustrated at the
continuing emphasis on military solutions for ISIS and Iraq’s
mess. No one is “training” ISIS! They have a cause and a vision and
are willing to die for it. <br><br>
That said, I have reached the conclusion that we are in for a mighty
correction via the climate change. There will be unavoidable suffering
all over the world, and additional conflicts (especially water). I never
was a Casandra on the climate, but have become so. I feel that perhaps in
our (old folks!) lifetime we will see its front end affects. I guess all
we can really do is continue to work where we are, link with others and
do a whole lot of praying.<br><br>
Watching 60 Minutes last night I saw the absolute blindness to the
decreasing water tables all over the world. This will take decades of
good rain to replenish. Everyone knows it who are dealing with the CA
water crisis, but still they drill deeper and deeper. Madness!<br><br>
Jack<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Jun 1, 2015, at 10:54 AM,
Sherwood Shankland via Dialogue
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dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>
I like it tipping pointsaligning our energies with the 100 key tipping
pointswhich if we grasp whole systems are connected in ways that we may
not now or ever know. For example: microfinance is now active in every
country on the planet; and independently many locations are discovering
that in pathways which lead sustainably out of poverty microfinance is
linked to efforts in health and education so integrated community
development efforts are rising, and a tipping point is facilitating
partnerships that reflect those linkages. We each have to choose where to
act or we will all just watch the daily news and deepen our despair.
Actions speak loudly. Go for a tipping point, really. Best regards,
Sherwood<br>
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mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randy
Williams via OE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 27, 2015 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> George Holcombe<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ICA/OE List Serves; ICA/OE List Serves<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Trends in Theology<br>
<br>
George,<br>
<br>
One of the things you have described is the old perversion of
"institutionalism," perhaps somewhat in new clothing. I think
part of why this conversation continues to come up from time to time
among us is the experience I expect most of us share of our love/hate
relationship with the church. Joe's analogy that illuminated that
realization for many of us was, "the church is a whore but she's my
mother." That still kind of holds it for me. <br>
<br>
By the way, I always thought that analogy originated with Joe, but I
recently found it in the early writings of Dorothy Day, founder of the
Catholic workers movement. In her day she was a pretty feisty,
salty old sister (not nun) who was later sainted by the church. We need a
few more like her today. <br>
<br>
Randy<br><br>
Sent from my iPad<br><br>
<br>
On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:59 AM, George Holcombe via OE
<<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">There seems to be several
streams around the same discussion (I’m guessing). It would be
wonderful if we could gather in the collegium room at 3444 and have a go,
or have Joe give us a lecture, but I suppose this is as close as it gets
in this digital age.<br>
<br>
As I remember it, we used the word church in RS-1 to describe a dynamic,
that part between no longer and not yet where you bump into people laying
their life down to create the new future. Our institutional
churches have always had a struggle with that as have we all, and both
have used the symbols and story surrounding our understanding of that
dynamic for all sorts of purposes.<br>
<br>
Some think we failed (came apart at the center), others think we’ve had
some conditional success, but then that happens when we missed the
Bonhoeffer paper.<br>
<br>
I enjoy Borg, Crossan, and the research of late into early Christianity
(try getting through Crossan’s The Birth of Christianity), especially
Borg’s description of Jesus as a Jewish mystic in the prophetic
tradition, pushing the Judaism of his day into the future, refusing the
domination of Rome. Our local Presbyterian Seminary professors seem
to have some criticisms of Borg, though I don’t understand them at
all. Richard Rohr and others have done an impressive job of pulling
all this through our daily lives in some creative ways. <br>
<br>
But all that aside, the suffering (in all its forms) of the world seems
to lose its footing in all of this. Religions and adherents (or non
adherents) attempting to justify their various perspectives, which leaks
over into the political and economic discussions (interesting how their
efforts at justification of their position follows much the same lines as
religions), put the majority of their efforts into keeping afloat, while
pointing to their minimal efforts to address the suffering of the world,
as their raison d’être. With a few notable exceptions, most local
churches (denominations, etc.) I know anything about spend about 80-90%
on themselves and a little for some social/health projects, not unlike
Political and other groups. Much of this has been known for awhile
and more is coming to surface, which is growing the sense of distrust and
disgust with institutions, but does not create an atmosphere for positive
change.<br>
<br>
But amidst all of this the world is suffering. Climate change is
having dramatic effects, wealth inequality hardly describes what the poor
are experiencing, corporations contribute as much to the destruction of
the environment as to wealth creation, wars are endless. Most if
not all of us have intimate experience with all of this. The old
hope if things get bad enough, good will happen doesn’t seem to be
working. It may be that we should shift our conversation from the
good or bad old days to what we see are the tipping points and what
we’re trying where we are to make the future happen. In this
digital age, this may be one new/old way to create the new future. <br>
<br>
George Holcombe<br>
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Mobile 512/252-2756<br>
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<br><br>
"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no
power greater than a community discovering what it cares
about." Margaret Wheatley<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:14 PM,
Judi White via OE
<<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br>
<br>
I do not go to a church. I remember the awe of high ritual. In the scotch
Presbyterian and Eppiscopal Cathedral in my upbringing. The praying and
preaching were not much. The music held it all. The daily office was a
recovery of the awe...every day. RS1 sunk in after I learned to meditate
and function in the world of spirit. Before meditation life was a
regular series of burnouts.By meditation I dont mean sitting in silence,
although I do. I mean living mindfully. Social pioneering and the new
church is pure spirit. The Divine and We are One. How to catalyze this
experience in the lives of people incommunities is foundational to
sustainable changes. Sometimes OE/ICA got it right. Sometimes it
doesn't.<br><br>
On Sunday, March 22, 2015, Karenbueno via OE
<<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
Thank you, Dharma! I continue to attend my local United Methodist
Church. I find there people who are wanting to serve others, who
relate to the Christian symbols, and who give of their time, talent, and
finances to the work of the Christian church. I may not agree with
all of the theology I hear, but I know that this is an agency that is
doing good work in the world.<br>
<br>
I am also active in the broader work of the United Methodist Women, who
give generously for leadership training of women, and for mission
projects around the world, for health care, feeding programs, child care,
etc.<br>
<br>
I sometimes even hear sermons with great
authenticity!<img src="https://s.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/resources/core/images/smile.png" width=25 height=25 alt=":-)">
<br>
<br>
Karen Bueno<br>
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From: Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE
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To: Marilyn Crocker
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>; 'Mary Kurian D'Souza'
<<a href="mailto:marykdsouza@gmail.com">marykdsouza@gmail.com</a>>;
oe
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Sent: Sun, Mar 22, 2015 9:05 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Trends in Theology<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
What a great opportunity it is to be able to talk about issues lie this
with a community spread around the globe. My take on these issues - the
only reason to go to church, temple, mosque etc is to be in dialogue with
the symbol systems of the world that help us make sense of living.
Dialogue goes both ways so we either get something from that experience
or we give it new meaning. This is one avenue for social change. Of
course, it is possible that the meaning building dynamic has move onto to
other institutions. In which case, that's where we too would want to
be.<br>
<br>
Although a life of service has an impact on those around us, symbols have
their own unique role. When these are not rejuvenated, society develops
monstrosities like ISIS, religious fanatics from the various faiths of
the world etc.<br>
<br>
So the question for me is - what are the symbols in our life and
how do we let our love for life speak through them.<br>
<br>
Dharma<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:02 AM, Marilyn Crocker via OE
<<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
<br>
Hi Dear Mary,<br>
<br>
I’m intrigued by your comment that “For Cyprian and myself RS1 was
not as profound as the methods of participation etc. that were
transmitted to us through the order/ICA.”<br><br>
For me our “methods of participation” were all about the life
dynamics undergirding RSI, but couched in secular terms describing “the
way life is” (TWLI) as we used to say or limits, possibility,
freedom, corporate resolve/action or the consult method of
baseline situation, vision, contradictions, proposals, tactics and
implementaries.<br>
<br>
My sense of that alignment of TWLI and our methods allowed me to keep
serving in villages, local communities, schools, businesses, often at
great personal cost. I experienced deep and profound spiritual
interpersonal connections in these interactions that allowed me to say,
“I am being my personal mission or calling.”<br>
<br>
Now at 72, in retirement and needing to be a 24/7 caregiver for my 87
year old husband who has progressive cognitive impairment, I still
<i>depend upon </i>the fundamental understandings RSI gifted to me:
All is Good, the Past is Approved, All that I Am is Received, and the
Future is Open filled with radical Possibility.<br>
<br>
I respect your perspective and your hope to awaken in your children depth
and mystery. My experience is that although Christian liturgy and
mindfulness practices help some, the raw <i>living a life of selfless
care</i> is the best entry point.<br>
<br>
With love and respect,<br>
<br>
Marilyn<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>From:</b> OE
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[mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary
Kurian D'Souza via OE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2015 10:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rod Rippel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Colleague Dialogue;
<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Trends in Theology<br>
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Rod,<br>
<br>
Thank you for raising this question.<br>
I have noticed that the recent celebrations of completed lives of our
colleagues from the order used less of the rituals and more of
poetry.<br>
<br>
I myself do not go to Church and am suffocated by sermons etc. that are
not authentic. <br>
<br>
Spirituality has become more alive. Am searching for a way to
deepen this experience and to communicate to my children the depth and
mystery that open up in life through practices such as through meditation
and in being mindful.<br>
<br>
For Cyprian and myself RS1 was not as profound as the methods of
participation etc. that were transmitted to us through the order/ICA
<br>
<br>
With respect,<br>
Mary<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue <
<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">
dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br>
Almost to a person colleagues of the Spirit Movement and the Order never
referred to God or used the word 'God' very much when talking about
their lives or life decisions. Instead they simply said, "I
had RS-1 in...." or they would ask, "When was your
RS-1?"<br>
God-talk had already moved beyond theism to Event and poetry, and
personal myth.<br>
<br>
What was your experience?<br>
Rod R<br><br>
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