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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif"'>I really
appreciated this Jann. One of the best experiences a few years ago was
visiting the church Eileen and George have been active in, in which the people
are from all walks of life and all types of theological backgrounds, and using
an amazing variety of vocabulary to describe their experiences. The common
denominators were joy within themselves, acceptance of one another and their
great diversity, and a care for their community. I’m sure there were other “denominators”,
but these were the most evident to a one-time visitor and observer. Wouldn’t
it be nice to “view” this, and participate in it, in most any gathering.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Microsoft Sans Serif"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif"'>Frankly, I was rather
surprised at the quick, dogmatic responses and judgment elicited by this latest
writing from <u>The Week</u> (which is a great mag, if you haven’t ever read
it). Granted, it wasn’t a ton of correspondence, but it came to me as quite “old-fashioned”.
Responses that seem to come before getting more information or even asking a
simple question or two before making such judgments, seem, to me, to be as close-minded
as the same persons probably accuse those of more conservative religious views.
What happened to the days when we felt strongly that you should not critique a
writer until you have read through thoroughly and tried to be in their shoes as
that writer? I guess some of us have forgotten this. I’ve been learning in
these past years to at least attempt to listen for what a person is trying to
say to me, rather than getting blocked by the words used or the philosophy out
of which one speaks. Is there a new perspective? Is there a different slant
being taken on an old perspective? Is there an attempt to help the reader
understand where someone else is coming from, or why they have chosen the route
they have taken? etc. etc.??? Personally, I rather appreciate trying to understand
just why someone might think the way they do or act they way they act. Maybe
it’s just that I’m so much older than when I thought I knew everything!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>LAURELCG@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:31
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net;
Oe@wedgeblade.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] >From The
Week: Hearing the voice of God</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thank you, Jim. What a rich report. I'd
like to respond with a witness, or sorts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>After Fred died (1/31/08), I decided to
simplify my life by going to church with my mother. It was not easy to return
to the fundamentalist Church of Christ that I grew up in, but it was easier
than trying to juggle dropping her off, going to the Presbyterian church where
I was a member, than picking her up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I loved the a cappella singing of gospel
hymns, participating in communion weekly and the <u>very</u> sweet people in
the congregation. I couldn't stand the theology, but was able to tune out the
sermon and either meditate or read scripture during that time. I was listed as
a visitor in the bulletin every week for at least 3 years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>After Mother died in March, a friend
and fellow D.Min. from University of Creation Spirituality, came for
Mother's memorial service, which was on a Sunday afternoon. Mia, my friend, and
I went to worship that morning at the church of Christ. (We were borrowing
chairs for the service at Mother's apartment building later.) I was a little
apprehensive. Mia grew up in a wealthy Episcopalian family in
Philadelphia, had never been to a fundamentalist church. This would be very
strange for her. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>After worship, she turned to me, her face
glowing and said, "The energy here was so sweet that I had a major
breakthrough on an issue I've been struggling with internally."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That wouldn't have happened if
she'd pre-judged it all a "crock" because it wasn't
post-modern theology. Open your heart just a little, Wes. Go to your own
experience of deep spirituality, not some chart from 40 years ago, if you want
to understand why the Vineyard Christian Fellowship and other congregations
like it are bursting at the seams.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 8/19/2012 7:59:49 A.M.
Pacific Daylight Time, jfwiegel@yahoo.com writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Seems quite intriguing. Has anyone
read this book?<br>
<br>
Hearing the voice of God <br>
<br>
When an anthropologist studied how evangelicals pray, says Jill Wolfson, she
came to a surprising realization. <br>
<br>
On a Sunday evening in Palo Alto, Calif., around 50 members of the Vineyard
Christian Fellowship of the Peninsula gathered in a rented room above a popular
coffee shop. Before the occasion got under way, the conversation was a friendly
and exuberant mix of the mundane and the heady: the gorgeous weather, Christian
writer C.S. Lewis, the lusciousness of the strawberries set out as a snack,
someone’s car trouble, the problem of demons. Lead pastor Alex Van Riesen, a
tall, informal, open-faced man, got everyone settled and quiet. <br>
<br>
“For those of you who haven’t been to our church, this is the way it is,” Van
Riesen began cheerfully. “Everyone hangs outside eating, drinking coffee, and
talking. Then, when you hear the voice of God, you come inside.” <br>
<br>
There was a burst of laughter: an evangelical joke for an evangelical Christian
audience. Van Riesen then segued to the main event. “Have people been asking
you about the book?” he asked the group. “I’ve been getting lots of email about
it.” <br>
<br>
The book in question, When God Talks Back: Understanding the American
Evangelical Relationship With God, is about the people in this very room. On
the makeshift stage next to Van Riesen sat its author, Tanya Luhrmann, who
spent two years studying this Vineyard church and another two years at a
Vineyard church in Chicago. She knows these believers well. <br>
<br>
Luhrmann attended Sunday church where members danced, swayed, cried, and raised
their hands as a sign of surrender to God. She attended weekly home prayer
groups whose members reported hearing God communicate to them directly. She
hung out, participated, took notes, recorded interviews, and “tried to
understand as an outsider how an insider to this evangelical world was able to
experience God as real and personal and intimate.” Members told her about
having coffee with God, seeing angel wings, and getting God’s advice on
everything from job choice to what shampoo to buy. <br>
<br>
After being introduced jokingly by Van Riesen as Professor Luhrmann to people who
have known her for so long as Tanya, she told the group her book does not weigh
in on the actual existence of God. Rather, her research focuses on “theory of
mind,” how we conceptualize our minds and those of others. In this case, she
investigated how the practice of prayer can train a person to hear what they
determine to be God’s voice. <br>
<br>
“I do think that if God does speak to someone, God speaks through the human
mind,” she explained. “As an anthropologist, I feel I can say something about
the social, cultural, and psychological features of what that person is
experiencing. I came into this project wanting to understand the question: How
are rational, sensible, educated people able to sustain faith in an invisible
being in an environment of skepticism?” <br>
<br>
Luhrmann’s provocative theory is that the church teaches those who pray to use
their minds differently than they do in everyday life. They begin by holding
conversations with God in their heads, modeled on the kind of chummy
conversations they’d have with their best friends. As they talk to Him, tell
Him about their problems, and imagine His wise counsel and loving response,
they are training their thoughts, much as people use weights to train their
muscles. The church encourages them to tune in to sounds, images, and feelings
that are louder or more intense or more unfamiliar or more powerful—and to
interpret these internal cues as the external voice of God. <br>
<br>
“I came in with a set of stereotypes of evangelicals—the kind that you’d expect
from someone in the academy,” she said. “I came out with more respect for the
religious process...how private and precious the experience of God can be for
people.” <br>
<br>
She read from her book’s final chapter: “I have said that I do not presume to
know ultimate reality. But it is also true that through the process of this
journey, in my own way, I have come to know God.” <br>
<br>
Luhrmann’s work has roots deep in her intellectual and emotional past. She
describes herself as an anthropologist with one foot in psychology. She could easily
add that her other foot is in theology and both hands have a firm grasp on
philosophy. <br>
<br>
Her upbringing was that of a “spiritual mutt.” In the book’s preface and
acknowledgments, she writes that she has been thinking about God ever since her
maternal grandfather, a Baptist minister, “walked across the park with me when
I was 6 and tried to explain who he thought God was.” His daughter—Luhrmann’s
mother—took her children to the more free-form Unitarian church. Luhrmann’s
paternal grandfather was a Christian Scientist whose son—Luhrmann’s
father—became a medical doctor, a psychiatrist. The eldest of three children,
Tanya was raised in a suburban New Jersey neighborhood, where she helped
Orthodox Jewish neighbors as a shabbas goy, a gentile who assists with
activities that are restricted on the Sabbath, such as turning on light
switches. “I came from this background where I knew smart, good people whom I
loved, but who came down on very different positions on the existence of
God—not only on the yes-no dimension, but on who God was.” <br>
<br>
As a Harvard freshman, she had thoughts about Immanuel Kant that, in many ways,
set the course of her career. She decided that the philosopher was “cheating”
when he “explained away” the irrational. “I’ve always been intrigued by myths
and stories and the way people construct their world. People live in the
narrative, and that is more important than their logical sensibility in many
ways. So I switched from philosophy to folklore....I was just so curious about
people and about the way they come to hold their beliefs—even in the face of
evidence to the contrary.” <br>
<br>
An academic mentor encouraged her to pursue graduate studies at the University
of Chicago, but a chance encounter with a volume in the Harvard bookstore sent
her in a different direction. “It was a book that told you how to be a witch,”
she recalls with a laugh. “I was amazed by this. You can learn that?” <br>
<br>
She headed to Cambridge University for graduate studies, from whence she could
go “hang out in London with all these pagans and magicians—for the most part
educated and middle-class people—and plunge into this really batty dissertation
on modern witches.” <br>
<br>
The goal was not to rule on the validity of magic. Luhrmann was more interested
in the magical process, in what happened in the minds of the practitioners. “I
was really taken by my observation that something does happen. I didn’t quite
know how to think about it, but they experienced something directly.” <br>
<br>
Luhrmann did “what anthropologists do” and participated in their world by
joining their groups, reading their books, and performing rituals. For 30
minutes a day for nine months, she practiced seeing with her mind’s eye,
following instructions such as: Build up in imagination a journey from your
physical plane home to your ideal room. <br>
<br>
What startled her was that her witchcraft self-training worked. Her internal
awareness seemed to shift; her senses felt more alive and alert. She had her
own supernatural experience: One night, after she’d done some pleasurable and
immersive reading about the early Celts, six druids appeared outside her window
and just as suddenly vanished. “Had they been there in the flesh? I thought
not,” she writes in When God Talks Back, but the vivid, singular experience led
her to wonder “for many years if something about the practice associated with
magic made these supernatural experiences more common. When I encountered the
same spiritual techniques in experiential evangelical Christianity, I was
determined to find out.” <br>
<br>
In 2007, to better understand if and how spiritual practice impacts the mind,
Luhrmann randomly divided Christian volunteers into groups: One listened on
iPods for 30 minutes a day to lectures on the Gospels, while another
participated in a more interactive, imagination-rich way, similar to the prayer
style of Vineyard members. Their recordings invited them to see, hear, and
touch God in the mind’s eye, to carry on a dialogue with Jesus. <br>
<br>
“I found that after a month of prayer practice, people reported more vivid
mental imagery than those who listened to the lectures,” she says. “They used
mental imagery more readily and had somewhat better perceptual attention, and
they reported more unusual sensory experience. In short, they attended to their
inner experience more seriously, and that altered how real that experience
became for them.” <br>
<br>
The night before Luhrmann appeared at the Vineyard congregation, she read and
answered questions at a Bay Area bookstore. She traced the modern history of
the evangelical movement from its hippie, Jesus-freak roots of the 1960s to its
current, mostly conservative, mostly middle-class state. She talked about the
people whose stories give the book its narrative pull, people whose faith
proved more complex than she had imagined. <br>
<br>
This was an entirely different crowd. A couple of atheists ranted about how
people who talk to God must be nuts. Another person in the audience, a little
more measured, wanted Luhrmann to address the impact that conservative
evangelicals are having on the country’s political landscape. <br>
<br>
It is not a small impact. Of the many baby boomers who once stopped going to
churches, half have returned to religious practices, but not to the mainstream
services of their childhood. They have flocked to churches similar to the
Vineyard. A recent study found that nearly 40 percent of Americans said that
the main reason they practice religion was “to forge a personal relationship
with God.” Some call this movement the country’s fourth Great Awakening—a
reference to other eras in American history in which religious fervor shaped
the national agenda. <br>
<br>
While Luhrmann intentionally avoided politics in the book, it comes up in
interviews and reviews, as readers and critics wonder if the author “ever
engaged her subjects in a lively conversation about gay marriage or evolution.”
Her answer is that conservative evangelicals and secular liberals are at such
odds politically because they think about life very differently. If political
progressives really want to stop scratching their heads over why evangelicals
get so upset about same-sex marriage and health-care reform, they need to
understand how evangelicals think about God. <br>
<br>
“Secular liberals want to create the social conditions that allow everyday
people, behaving the way ordinary people behave, to have fewer bad outcomes,”
she says. “When evangelicals vote, they think more immediately about what kind
of person they are trying to become—what humans could and should be, rather
than who they are. From this perspective, the problem with government is that
it steps in when people fall short.” <br>
<br>
Hanging out with believers—whom she found “smarter and more varied than many
liberals realize”—has given her some insight that could double as political
advice. “If Democrats want to reach more evangelical voters, they should use a
political language that evangelicals can hear. They should talk about the kind
of people we are aiming to be and about the transformational journey that any
choice will take us on.” <br>
<br>
Reprinted with permission from Stanford magazine, published by Stanford Alumni
Association, Stanford University. <br>
<br>
<br>
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Jim Wiegel<br>
Jfwiegel@yahoo.com<br>
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