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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thank you, Jann, from a similar thinking 83 year
old.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Nan Grow</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jannbarr@gmail.com href="mailto:jannbarr@gmail.com">Jann Barr</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net
href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Colleague Dialogue</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dialogue] Can Christianity,
Religion Be Saved? By Whom in the Next Generation?</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't often feel moved to get into the dialogue but the question "do we
need religion and what for?" called me to respond.</DIV>
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<DIV>There is so much that anyone of us, individually and collectively, do not
know or understand. What we call religion tries to give us a way to related to
the unknowable. It, also, tries to give us guidelines and/or standards that
makes our attempts of relating to other 'beings' more just and 'humain '.
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<DIV>It seems to me at any given moment and circumstance anyone of us could
become a murderer, robber, or what have you. I believe that as a collective
group we have have become better. "An eye for an eye" seems barbaric to us now
but was a great advance of human behavior when it was invented. Religion gives
a vechicle with which to invent new standards. It gives us some stability
during times of change. </DIV>
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<DIV> Indeed, we are in times of unpresidented change. I do not begin to
understand what my great grandchildren understand about the world they are
learning in. I know that I have great admiration for my
grandchildren for the love and effort they put every day into raising these
precious souls. </DIV>
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<DIV>As an 83 year old great grandmother I hold them in the Light everday. I
have faith that they like my generation will be loving and pursuvere in
creating the "red line" even though they may never know my poetry. As a Quaker
I think I have found my place to aide and participate in discovery of new
forms of 'religion'.</DIV>
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<DIV>Peace and grace to all,</DIV>
<DIV>Jann Barr<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:facilitationfla@aol.com"
target=_blank>facilitationfla@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><FONT color=black
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do<FONT color=black
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> we need to have religion? What
for?
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: steve har <<A href="mailto:stevehar11201@gmail.com"
target=_blank>stevehar11201@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: dialogue <<A
href="mailto:dialogue@wedgeblade.net"
target=_blank>dialogue@wedgeblade.net</A>><BR>Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012
3:29 pm<BR>Subject: [Dialogue] Can Christianity, Religion Be Saved? By Whom
in the Next Generation?<BR><BR>
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style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Sans-Serif; FONT-SIZE: 12px"><PRE style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><TT>Considering
Ross Douthat;s Conservative "culture war" question about liberals:
[NYTimes}] "Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?" in which he?asserted
that manifestations of liberal Christianity, like the Episcopal
Church, are facing imminent death.
---and---
Randy Williams Asks a Q about survival of Christian movements and institutions
The question could perhaps be taken to yet another level by asking,
"Can religion be saved?" Or perhaps even more relevant, using our
language and concerns from the 60s and 70s, is the question, "Can
movemental Christianity survive and thrive, without the institutional
church?"
----
James Wiegel's question aout what past models might be useful
Perhaps, though, the question is wrong. Maybe the question is, how
are we as a human species, going to generate a level of courage,
wisdom, care and creativity that is more than adequate to meet the
challenges of this new century?
The Ecumenical Institute tried for the local congregation, the
Institute of Cultural Affairs tried for the local community. Gloria
Steinem and many others tried for empowered women,
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David Fitch asserts that in national gridlock, the only place to move
is in the localis and suggests local churches get over their own
ideology.
<A href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/14tq6zJYgj-AtqWvpK_50G2X_09thefMc2OfB5AbjUTo/edit" target=_blank>https://docs.google.com/document/d/14tq6zJYgj-AtqWvpK_50G2X_09thefMc2OfB5AbjUTo/edit</A>
It might be the only place to move in the twilight of 2 elites
<A href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/17/twilight_of_the_elites_chris_hayes" target=_blank>http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/17/twilight_of_the_elites_chris_hayes</A>
Where is a place to stand again, and who is going to stand there?
Sounds like it is time to dust off Sarte's paper on cultural revolution in CS1.
Another question: who would lead this in the next generation?
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