<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Wow.  Thanks, Jim.  Someone on this list recommended Prophetic Imagination by Walter Bruggemann, and I found it as an ebook and downloaded and read it.  He is very much in line with your perspective, and points to the experience of the prophets and their role and function as what we need.  Since reading it, I have been saying to myself, we are moving into a prophetic moment.<br><br>Jim Wiegel<br>
<br>
"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity."  Abraham Lincoln<br>
<br>
401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401<br>
+1  623-363-3277  skype:  jfredwiegel<br>
jfwiegel@yahoo.com   www.partnersinparticipation.com<br>
<br>
Upcoming public course opportunities:<br>
ToP  Facilitation Methods,      Sept 11-12, 2012<br>
ToP Strategic Planning,    Oct 9-10, 2012<br>
The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012<br>
Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3.  Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 <br>
See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details.<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 7/6/12, Jim Baumbach <i><wtw0bl@new.rr.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Jim Baumbach <wtw0bl@new.rr.com><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?<br>To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net><br>Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 4:55 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1051847661">
  

    
  
  <div>
    Certainly Boulding was aware of some of the ominous crises and saw
    within them a potential for extinction of our human species.  But
    several other crises are also pending including global warming
    (environmental change), unending wars, physical and chemical
    pollution, droughts and starvation, declining water sources, etc. 
    My question was not intended to be supercilious but as a thought
    regarding how fragile our own current existence is.  Measured in a
    geologic time frame, the total presence of human life is so
    minuscule as to be in all probability essentially zero.  Yet within
    that time frame, human beings have been able to so threaten their
    own existence that one can hardly imagine any other life form as
    suicidal.  Despite all of the dire scientific projections I, for
    one, am unable to stop doing exactly what I, and many like me, have
    been doing for decades and centuries--consuming the Earth's
    resources in unsustainable amounts.  And now the populations of
    China and India are also anticipating doing what I am doing!<br>
    <br>
    I don't see anything changing so profoundly that we will reverse our
    present course.  There are, of course, many band aid-type remedies
    such as alternative energy sources but these only prolong this
    process.  Is it possible to change human nature to such an extent
    that we, in Biblical tradition when Jonah proclaimed disaster to
    Nineveh:<br>
    <br>
    "...Then tidings reached the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his
    throne, removed his robe, and covered himself with sackcloth, and
    sat in ashes. And he made proclamation and published through
    Nineveh, "By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man
    nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; let them not feed, or
    drink water, but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and
    let them cry mightily to God; yea, let every one turn from his evil
    way and from the violence which is in his hands." (Jonah 3:3-8 RSV),<br>
    <br>
    actually change our habits?  Without this dramatic turn-around
    possibly our question will be:  "How do we prepare all human life to
    face the inevitable extinction of our species?"<br>
    <br>
    Jim Baumbach<br>
    <br>
     <br>
    <div class="yiv1051847661moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/2012 3:56 PM, James Wiegel
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
        <tbody>
          <tr>
            <td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16pt;"><span style="font-size:13pt;
">I was just
                  reminded of an old, old, friend, Kenneth Boulding, and
                  a chapter from his book, The Meaning of the Twentieth
                  Century -- The Great Transition, published in 1964. 
                  He described this "great transition" thusly:  <br>
                </span></p>
              <p style=""><b><span style="font-size:24.0pt;
">The Great Transition (1964)</span></b></p>
              <p>The twentieth century might be described as the crucial
                central period in
                the third great transition in the state of mankind. The
                first great transition
                was from the paleolithic to the neolithic about ten
                thousand years ago, which
                was characterized by the invention of agriculture, the
                domestication of
                animals, and the development of a settled life in
                villages. The second great
                transition, sometimes called the urban revolution, about
                five thousand years
                ago, was characterized by the development of political
                power and the
                centralization of the food surplus from agriculture in
                cities. This is the
                transition from neolithic agriculture to civilizations.
                What is underway now is
                a third great transition, in which civilization is
                passing away and a new order
                of society altogether, which I have sometimes called
                post-civilized but which
                perhaps deserves the name of the Developed Society, is
                coming into being. The
                twentieth century is the crucial midstage of this
                transition which will
                determine very largely whether it will be made
                successful or not. <br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>HERE ARE SOME PARAGRAPHS FROM THE FINAL CHAPTER.  I
                FOUND THEM ON THE GOLDEN PATHWAYS:  <br>
              </p>
              <br>
              <br>
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16pt;"><span style="font-size:13pt;
">The fact
                  of the great transition is not in
                  dispute. Almost anyone in middle life today has simply
                  to look back to his own
                  childhood, or still more to the days of his
                  grandparents, to realize that we
                  are living in a world in which there is an enormous
                  rate of change. If anyone
                  in an advanced society today were to suddenly thrust
                  back into the world of
                  only a hundred years ago, he would feel utterly alien
                  and strange. A
                  considerable part of his vocabulary would be
                  meaningless to the people around
                  him. He would find it hard to adapt to the
                  inconveniences and to the restricted
                  life which would have to lead. He would feel indeed in
                  an alien society.</span></p>
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16pt;"><br>
              </p>
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt;
">....................................................<br>
                <span style="font-size:13.0pt;"></span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;
"></span></p>
              
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt;
"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;">I,
                  therefore, have no hesitation in
                  recommending the attitude toward the great transition
                  which I have described as
                  critical acceptance. There may be times when we wish
                  nostalgically that it had
                  never started, for then at least the danger that the
                  evolutionary experiment in
                  this part of the universe would be terminated would be
                  more remote. Now that
                  the transition is under way, however, there is no
                  going back on it. We must
                  learn to use its enormous potential for good rather
                  than for evil, and we must
                  learn to diminish and eventually eliminate the dangers
                  which are inherent in
                  it. If I had to sum up the situation in a sentence I
                  would say that the
                  situation has arisen because of the development of
                  certain methods of reality
                  testing applied to our images of nature. If we are to
                  ride out the transition
                  successfully we must apply these or similar methods
                  for reality testing to our
                  images of man and his society.</span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;
"></span></p>
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt;
"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;">There
                  is in the world today an
                  "invisible college" of people in many different
                  countries and many
                  different cultures, who have this vision of the nature
                  of the transition through
                  which we are passing and who are determined to devote
                  their lives to
                  contributing toward its successful fulfillment.
                  Membership in this college is
                  consistent with many different philosophical,
                  religious, and political
                  positions. It is a college without a founder and
                  without a president, without
                  buildings and without organization. Its founding
                  members might have included a
                  Jesuit like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a humanist
                  like Aldous Huxley, a writer
                  of science fiction like H. G. Wells, and it might even
                  have given honorary
                  degrees to Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Pope John XXIII, and
                  even Khrushchev and John
                  F. Kennedy. Its living representatives are still a
                  pretty small group of
                  people. I think, however, that it is they who hold the
                  future of the world in their
                  hands or at least in their minds.</span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;"></span></p>
              <p class="yiv1051847661MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt;
"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;">For
                  this invisible college I am an unashamed
                  propagandist and I confess without a blush that this
                  book is a tract. Our
                  precious little planet, this blue green cradle of life
                  with its rosy mantle, is
                  in one of the most critical stages of its whole
                  existence. It is in a position
                  of immense danger and immense potentiality. There are
                  no doubt many experiments
                  in evolution going on in different parts of this big
                  universe. But this happens
                  to be my planet and I am very much attached to it, and
                  I am desperately anxious
                  that this particular experiment should be a success.
                  If this be ethnocentrism,
                  then let me be ethnocentric! I am pretty sure,
                  however, that it will not be a
                  success unless something is done. There is danger both
                  of the bang of nuclear
                  detonation and of the whimper of exhausted
                  overpopulation, and either would
                  mean an end of the evolutionary process in these
                  parts. If man were merely
                  capable of destroying himself, one could perhaps bear
                  the thought. One could at
                  least console oneself with the thought of elementary
                  justice, that if man does
                  destroy himself it is his own silly fault. He is
                  captain, however, of a frai1
                  and delicate vessel, and in the course of destroying
                  himself he might easily
                  destroy the vessel­­ that is, the planet which carries
                  him, with its immense
                  wealth and variety of evolutionary freight and
                  evolutionary potential. This
                  makes the dangers of the transition doubly
                  intolerable, and demands a desperate
                  effort to remove them.</span><span style="font-size:16.0pt;"></span></p>
              <br>
              <br>
              Jim Wiegel<br>
              <br>
              "The problem with quotes on the internet is that it is
              hard to verify their authenticity." Abraham Lincoln<br>
              <br>
              401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401<br>
              +1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel<br>
              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jfwiegel@yahoo.com">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com">www.partnersinparticipation.com</a><br>
              <br>
              Upcoming public course opportunities:<br>
              ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012<br>
              ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012<br>
              The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7,
              2012<br>
              Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of
              Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3.
              Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 <br>
              See short video
              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55">http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55</a> and website
              for further details.<br>
              <br>
              --- On <b>Fri, 7/6/12, R Williams <i><a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=rcwmbw@yahoo.com"><rcwmbw@yahoo.com></a></i></b>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
                255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>
                From: R Williams <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:rcwmbw@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=rcwmbw@yahoo.com"><rcwmbw@yahoo.com></a><br>
                Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT
                QUESTION THESE DAYS?<br>
                To: "Order Ecumenical Community"
                <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a>, "Colleague Dialogue"
                <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net"><dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net></a><br>
                Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 11:30 AM<br>
                <br>
                <div id="yiv1051847661">
                  <div>
                    <div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
                      <div><span>Jim,</span></div>
                      <div><span></span> </div>
                      <div><span>By "peace" I meant something more than
                          the absence of war.  I suppose I meant
                          something like "with civility," " with mutual
                          respect," "acknowledging the dignity and worth
                          of all."  This may be idealistic but without
                          it I am skeptical that we can continue.  The
                          by-product of this kind of peace is
                          sustainability, so my statement may have been
                          a bit redundant.</span></div>
                      <div><span></span> </div>
                      <div><span>I agree with Wayne up to a point.  I
                          believe there is really one moral issue at a
                          time, but there must be many ways to describe
                          it and  thus to articulate the question.  With
                          the way issues are so inter-related, it's
                          difficult to talk about one without eventually
                          getting into  most of the others, and probably
                          even more difficult to finally boil it down to
                          "the" underlying root/moral issue of the
                          time.  I would have to say that the way we
                          articulated it in the 70's as the disparity
                          between the 85/15, or today maybe the 99/1,
                          isn't that far off base for today as well<var id="yiv1051847661yui-ie-cursor"></var>.</span></div>
                      <div><span></span> </div>
                      <div><span>One thing I do feel fairly certain
                          about.  Whereas in RS-1 days we asked, "Who am
                          I?" "What do I?" and "How be I?"--today I
                          would insist that the question, whatever it
                          is, is not an "I" question, but rather a "we"
                          question.</span></div>
                      <div><span></span> </div>
                      <div><span>Randy</span></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to
                        the course of being in the world; not to be
                        supported by it, but to bring it to reality as
                        it desires."<br>
                        -Martin Buber (adapted)<br>
                      </div>
                      <div style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
                        <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
                          <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2">
                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                              James Wiegel <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jfwiegel@yahoo.com"><jfwiegel@yahoo.com></a><br>
                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                              Colleague Dialogue
                              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net"><dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net></a>;
                              Order Ecumenical Community
                              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=oe@lists.wedgeblade.net"><oe@lists.wedgeblade.net></a> <br>
                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                              Friday, July 6, 2012 12:33 PM<br>
                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                              [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION
                              THESE DAYS?<br>
                            </font> </div>
                          <br>
                          WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?<br>
                          <br>
                          Over coffee, this morning, i recopied the
                          emails from this thread and tried to narrow
                          down to just the questions that were posed.<br>
                          <br>
                          I think i missed an email that Lee Early was
                          responding to in his message.<br>
                          <br>
                          A couple of reflections:  <br>
                          <br>
                          Randy, in yours, i was struggling with the
                          phrase "in peace", wondering, a bit like the
                          word "church" or "religious" what that might
                          point to that would seem true to life vs. sort
                          of an ideal future.<br>
                          <br>
                          Wayne, your response that there may not be "a"
                          question, but many and we each have to figure
                          out our own for ourselves got me to reflecting
                          on the evident complicatedness of things in a
                          systemic or interconnected world.  My auto
                          mechanic was explaining to me how to simply
                          fix the health care system in the US, and your
                          comment came up for me, and i said that is a
                          good idea, but i think we are looking too
                          often for simple silver bullet solutions when
                          thngs are actually much more complicated.  And
                          that made sense to both of us and moved the
                          conversation on.<br>
                          <br>
                          Jim Baumbach's question put me back on my
                          heels . "How do I get you to change your mind
                          and do what I think is right?"  then, when in
                          linking it with Bill Parker's notion that none
                          of this is new, and why haven't we all woken
                          up? Got me thinking, at least on the liberal
                          or progressive side, whether the new religion
                          arising is the religion of human rights . . .
                          Progressives, at least, seem to hold these as
                          sacred and as a moral obligation to be
                          enforced.<br>
                          <br>
                          I could go on, but my eggs are getting cold,
                          and the slice of cantelope from Judy's garden
                          is calling.<br>
                          <br>
                          THE GIST AS I SEE IT<br>
                          Mary Hampton:  Enough, all ready, its too good
                          to miss and I am not ready to edit.  Good
                          stuff, folks!<br>
                          <br>
                          Ken Gilgren:  why am I here? What am I doing?
                          How am I being?  What quickens the current
                          action of my soul?<br>
                          what was the question again?<br>
                          <br>
                          Wayne Nelson:  What are the pivotal moral
                          issues of our moment?  I think there are
                          likely to be several. Of course there are
                          many, many but there are probably some major
                          ones.  To reduce it to a single one makes it
                          too abstract and denies the obvious
                          complexity.  We all have to name 'the moral
                          issue of our time.'  There's not likely to be
                          one for everyone. It's a job we all have to
                          do.<br>
                          <br>
                          Bill Parker:  What are the warning signs of
                          the destruction and endangerment of the entire
                          human community?  Then ask, what is the
                          underlying question to be addressed and how it
                          can be addressed.  Why are people not being
                          awakened to the clear, obvious truth of our
                          crisis? Secondly, what methods must we develop
                          or employ to radically reveal this all
                          encompassing truth?<br>
                          <br>
                          John Cock:  My take: If it does not have
                          something like "on behalf of a transformed
                          Earth community" in the statement,  it is the
                          WRONG right question, moral issue, or
                          vocation.<br>
                          <br>
                          Lee Early:  "Who is Tiger Woods?", What is his
                          mission?  Can we re-answer the second
                          question?  Mission, social pioneer, church,
                          college, league, crimson line and movement? 
                          The answer to the question of mission will
                          carry the first of who.  (At least here in the
                          West.)  Sometimes the question of mission
                          changes.  Sometimes by chance and sometimes on
                          purpose.  What is our mission TODAY?<br>
                          <br>
                          Randy Williams:  In reflecting on the dialogue
                          around what is "the question," I realized we
                          really were assuming two questions.  How may
                          "we"  (all species) live together on this
                          planet in peace, in a way that secures life
                          for future generations?  What is the new face,
                          form and mission of the "movement" (the
                          religious, the invisible college, the church
                          with a little"c," ) and what stories, style
                          and symbols will sustain it?<br>
                          <br>
                          Jan Sanders:  What are the key images of the
                          future of evolution?<br>
                          <br>
                          Steve Harrington:  You had to say it, eh? 
                          What does it look like to be the Sensitive
                          & Responsive. To what concerns? where?<br>
                          <br>
                          Karen Bueno: "How do we motivate the sensitive
                          and reponsive ones who understand that the
                          survival of the people of the earth and the
                          earth itself depends on our working together
                          to make that survival possible?"  I like the
                          idea of striving for a T-shirt phrase, like
                          "Be one of those who dare to live the future
                          now.", as someone suggested.<br>
                          <br>
                          David Walters:  in the midst of a malaise of
                          helplessness and an established / controlling
                          economic and political elite, what can we do
                          to support and help to form the emerging
                          groups and movements (both the Tea Party and
                          the Occupy movement) to be both effective and
                          inclusive?<br>
                          <br>
                          Jack Gilles:  Given the stance that "History
                          rides on the back of the religious" that we
                          embodied and lived..... "Who are the
                          'religious' today, where would you look to
                          find them, what are the marks that tell you
                          so, and what might we share (and how) with
                          them so that they are empowered and
                          connected?".  The "we" in the question should
                          refer to "those of us who are scattered" and
                          who will take seriously the answers.  <br>
                          <br>
                          Janice Ulangca:  In this 50th year of EI/ICA,
                          some of the questions to live with: 
                          Considering what we were/are/might be, what is
                          our calling?  What are we called to
                          know/do/be?  What are some of the important
                          partnerships the future needs?<br>
                          <br>
                          Missed the name:  What was Neibhur's line?
                          (and how do you spell his name?)  Something
                          about the sensitive and something ones.<br>
                          <br>
                          Nancy Lanphear:  What is " MY GREAT WORK (IS)
                          WHERE MY OWN GREAT JOY INTERSECTS WITH EARTH'S
                          GREAT NEED" ....perhaps EARTH could be
                          stretched to all my relations, the universe,
                          life ....<br>
                          <br>
                          Jan and Steve:  Considering what we
                          were/are/might be, what is our calling?  What
                          are we called to know/do/be?  <br>
                          Jan:  What are some of the important
                          partnerships the future needs?<br>
                          <br>
                          Jim Baumbach:  "How do I get you to change
                          your mind and do what I think is right?"<br>
                          <br>
                          Karen Bueno:  "How are we to live together and
                          preserve this planet for the future?"<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Jim Wiegel<br>
                          <a rel="nofollow">Jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a><br>
                          <br>
                          “One cannot live in the afternoon of life
                          according to the program of life’s morning;
                          for what was great in the morning will be of
                          little importance in the evening, and what in
                          the morning was true will at evening have
                          become a lie.” – Carl Jung<br>
                          <br>
                          Partners in Participation Upcoming public
                          course opportunities:<br>
                          ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012<br>
                          ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012<br>
                          The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st
                          Friday- Sept 7, 2012<br>
                          Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the
                          Technology of Participation program is
                          available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins
                          on Nov 14-16, 2012 <br>
                          See short video <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55">http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55</a>
                          and website for further details.<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                          OE mailing list<br>
                          <a rel="nofollow">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>
                          <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
                -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>
                <br>
                <div class="yiv1051847661plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>
                  Dialogue mailing list<br>
                  <a rel="nofollow">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>
                  <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><br>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </td>
          </tr>
        </tbody>
      </table>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="yiv1051847661mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
Dialogue mailing list
<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1051847661moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
  </div>

</div><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Dialogue mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" href="/mc/compose?to=Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>