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AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP courses<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 5/21/12, PSchrijnen@aol.com <i><PSchrijnen@aol.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: PSchrijnen@aol.com <PSchrijnen@aol.com><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br>To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<br>Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:11 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1180137355">
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<div>Indeed John, </div>
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<div>You say that well. I think that was the point of the debate: To point out
that these two academics operate in two parallel universes. Dawkins was
surprisingly open and charming. he is usually more righteous. In this
debate he behaved. The surroundings of the Sheldonian may have helped.</div>
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<div>Williams is retiring at the end of the year to become the master of a
Cambridge college. He is a fine theologian, and has played a positive role as
archbishop in civil life here. I am sure he will be glad to get out of that
job though. I have enjoyed his book Silence and Honey Cakes frequently. A fine
little book about the wisdom of the desert monastics. </div>
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<div>Paul</div>
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<div>In a message dated 21/05/2012 22:52:36 GMT Daylight Time,
jlepps@pc.jaring.my writes:</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Thanks
Paul for this fascinating dialogue. It was far more civil than some of the
exchanges of ideas that often occur on this side of the Atlantic.
<br><br>IMHO, Dr. Dawkins was quite modest in his claims to certainty about
things, and Archbishop Williams was quite articulate in defining what he did
and did not mean by "God." It seemed, though, that Dr. Dawkins was objecting
to a notion of God that Archbishop Rowan did not advocate, and that is an
example of what I find objectionable about Steven Hawking's book. Of course it
would be silly to expect physicists to be experts in theology, as it would be
for theologians to claim expertise in physics. The two can co-exist quite
harmoniously with one dealing with value and meaning (why) and the other
dealing with the nature of reality and its operations (what and how).
<br><br>John <br><br><br><br>At 12:40 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv1180137355cite" cite="" type="cite"><font size="2">I enjoyed the debate
between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of these questions:<br><a rel="nofollow" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0" target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</a><br> <br>Maybe
it adds another
dimension...?<br> <br>Paul<br> <br> <br> <br> <br>In
a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, LAURELCG@aol.com
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<dd>Jack,<br>
</dd><dd><br>
</dd><dd>The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the Evolutionary
Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've called God.
(This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all intelligent, but
our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the All, in the
phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One with All That Is." Science
is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists are usually in awe of
what they're discovering. What else would keep someone looking in a
microscope all day every day for years, or whatever laborious process is
required in their discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and men of
faith like Thomas Berry sometimes collaborate to come up with inspired
works, like The Universe Story. This is all just my humble
opinion, as is the belief that the church, the cutting edge today, is the
evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of
it and almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are the
times, we are the people."<br>
</dd><dd><br>
</dd><dd>From the great central valley of California, the center of the
Universe,<br>
</dd><dd>Jann <br>
</dd><dd><br>
</dd><dd>In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
icabombay@igc.org writes:<br>
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<dd>As to the "Grand Design", it is the contention of some that the
creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent
and that intelligence can be understood.<br><br></dd></dl><br><br>
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