<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>and <br><br>Denial is an important and valuable defense mechanism. <br>Paula Rogge, MD (a wise friend of mine)<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> M George Walters <m.george.walters@verizon.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, May 21, 2012 3:04:52 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br></font><br>
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Two quotes from “Unknowns” that I believe:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“Illusions are the way we maintain our sanity when reality bursts in.”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The other</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“We never know reality for it is like looking on the face of God. All we know are our illusions and when they are shattered we simply replace them with new ones we invent or adopt from someone else. They are the shadows on Socrates cave”.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">George</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">
dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Cock<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 21, 2012 3:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Colleague Dialogue'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">thx, jim, for the</span><span style="color:blue;"> </span><span style="color:black;">charles winquist, <em>desiring theology</em> ('95) quote. been thumbing through it. interesting. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">and i've never tried to categorize my illusions as positive or negative. that too is interesting.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">john</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><hr align="center" size="3" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]">[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Wiegel<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 21, 2012 2:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Colleague Dialogue<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design</span></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign="top"><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Found this poem in the waiting area at the Episcopal Diocese office here in Arizona.
Somehow it relates to this topic.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">To My Medial Prefrontal Cortex</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Isabel Galbraith</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">People who have positive illusions are less likely to be depressed. . . . There are risks, however, in maintaining illusions that are too out of whack. – Timothy D, Wilson</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">When I first heard of you, my scout,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Spinning, glossing, scrubbing out</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Harsh facts about myself—the grout</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> And plaque of melancholy—</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I welcomed you, my little sprout </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Of green and glossy holly.</p><p class="MsoNormal"
style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Within your songs, you troubadour, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I'm Mark Twain, not James Fennimore,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Kristin Wig, not Drew Barrymore,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Marley, not Cheech or Chong;</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I’m touchable waves, not pompadour, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Bikini, not sarong.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">But now I know you’re there I’m scared.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">What buried thoughts have not been bared?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">What temporary awarenesses aired</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Then were shut up in their towers?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I don’t want to be unprepared</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">
For life’s cold thundershowers.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">So don’t puff me up to astronaut, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Or Guinevere of Camelot, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Or world’s best boss, Sir Michael Scott—</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> The let-down’s suicidal</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">As Dangle and his banjo not</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Making American Idol.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">And so, tonight, I try to view</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Myself as all outsiders do.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I shut you off; now I’m see-through</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> As a window in the dark,</p><p
class="MsoNormal" style="">And in the mirror I’m 32</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> And what is soft is stark:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Dumb jokes my friends indulge me in, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">New wrinkles in my oily skin, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">The <i>joie de vivre</i> that I trade in</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> For grouchiness at home,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Lost time that I could have spent</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Working on a poem, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Dumb poems about the slightest things,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">A pen that’s lost and long-lost flings –</p><p class="MsoNormal"
style="">They hurt, but what really stings</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Is when I add it up:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">No roommates and no wedding ring,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> No money, book, or cup. . . . </p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">I’m definitely glad you’re there, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Protecting me from this despair,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">The bruises my ego would otherwise wear,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Believing it deserved them.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">You help me function, help me dare, </p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> Steel nerves when life unnerves them.</p><p
class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">The trouble is, we must – like flowers –</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Receive the right amount of showers</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">And sun to pull new blooms from bowers.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""> To help us be us</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">The inner eye’s more sweet than sour: </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Ourselves as loved ones see us</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>Jim Wiegel<br><br>Many have tried to define creativity, to quantify and qualify it . . . Some say it involves imagination; Whatever your definition of creativity or the creative process, marvelous creations abound to improve our lives and inspire us Kaneko Center<br><br>401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401<br>+1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel<br><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com">www.partnersinparticipation.com</a><br><br>Upcoming public course opportunities:<br>ToP Facilitation Methods: Feb 7-8, May 15-16, Sept 11-12, 2012<br>ToP Strategic Planning: Oct 9-10, 2012<br>The Arizona ToP Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Feb 3, 2012<br>Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Aug 22-24, 2012. See website for further details. <br>AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP courses<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 5/20/12, John Cock <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com">jpc2025@triad.rr.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>From: John Cock <<a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com">jpc2025@triad.rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br>To: "'Colleague Dialogue'" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 1:32 PM</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Rather delicious trialog, Paul. Thanks. I was delighted to hear Dawkins say<br>he was an agnostic, not an atheist, to the laughter of many. Whatever he is,<br>he has been thinking it all through seriously. Williams was definitive but<br>open. The moderator, a philosopher, was less open.<br><br>I watched and listened as I watched my Braves beat the Rays. That too was<br>delicious as our first closer came in in the 8th inning, Braves ahead 2-0,<br>with two Rays outs, then proceeded to hit the next two batters, loading
the<br>bases, followed by the next batter hitting a blistering grounder that hit a<br>Rays runners and ended the 8th inning--and of course our closer finished off<br>the 9th inning as always, remarkably, leaving the Braves in first place. <br><br>Do inform us again, Paul, when they next debate, when they hopefully get to<br>the heart of the matter of the evolution of the Earth community to deal with<br>its future, and not just depend on Darwinian evolution and Godly<br>intervention.<br><br>John<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a rel="nofollow">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>[mailto:<a rel="nofollow">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br><a rel="nofollow">PSchrijnen@aol.com</a><br>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:41 PM<br>To: <a rel="nofollow">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br><br>I enjoyed the debate between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of<br>these
questions:<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</a><br><br>Maybe it adds another dimension...?<br><br>Paul<br><br><br><br><br>In a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, <a rel="nofollow">LAURELCG@aol.com</a><br>writes:<br><br> <br> Jack,<br> <br> The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the<br>Evolutionary Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've<br>called God. (This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all<br>intelligent, but our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the<br>All, in the phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One with All That<br>Is." Science is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists are<br>usually in awe of what they're discovering. What else would keep someone<br>looking in a
microscope all day every day for years, or whatever laborious<br>process is required in their discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and<br>men of faith like Thomas Berry sometimes collaborate to come up with<br>inspired works, like The Universe Story. This is all just my humble opinion,<br>as is the belief that the church, the cutting edge today, is the<br>evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of<br>it and almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are the<br>times, we are the people."<br> <br> From the great central valley of California, the center of the<br>Universe,<br> Jann <br> <br> In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,<br><a rel="nofollow">icabombay@igc.org</a> writes:<br><br> As to the "Grand Design", it is the
contention of some that<br>the creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent<br>and that intelligence can be understood.<br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Dialogue mailing list<br> <a rel="nofollow">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><br> <br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dialogue mailing list<br><a rel="nofollow">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div>
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