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<EM>desiring theology</EM> ('95) quote. been thumbing through it.
interesting. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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i've never tried to categorize my illusions as positive or negative. that too is
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Wiegel<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2012 2:11 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Colleague
Dialogue<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Found
this poem in the waiting area at the Episcopal Diocese office here in
Arizona. Somehow it relates to this topic.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>To My
Medial Prefrontal Cortex</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Isabel
Galbraith</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>People
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whack.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>– Timothy D,
Wilson</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>When I
first heard of you, my scout,</P>
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class=MsoNormal>Spinning, glossing, scrubbing out</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Harsh
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</SPAN>And plaque of melancholy—</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Of
green and glossy holly.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Within
your songs, you troubadour, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I'm
Mark Twain, not James Fennimore,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Kristin
Wig, not Drew Barrymore,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Marley,
not Cheech or Chong;</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I’m
touchable waves, not pompadour, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Bikini,
not sarong.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>But now
I know you’re there I’m scared.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>What
buried thoughts have not been bared?</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>What
temporary awarenesses aired</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Then were shut up in their towers?</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I don’t
want to be unprepared</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>For life’s cold thundershowers.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>So
don’t puff me up to astronaut, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Or
Guinevere of Camelot, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Or
world’s best boss, Sir Michael Scott—</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>The let-down’s suicidal</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>As
Dangle and his banjo not</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Making American Idol.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>And so,
tonight, I try to view</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Myself
as all outsiders do.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I shut
you off; now I’m see-through</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>As a window in the dark,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>And in
the mirror I’m 32</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>And what is soft is stark:</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Dumb
jokes my friends indulge me in, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>New
wrinkles in my oily skin, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">joie de vivre</I> that I trade in</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>For grouchiness at home,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Lost
time that I could have spent</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Working on a poem, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Dumb
poems about the slightest things,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>A pen
that’s lost and long-lost flings –</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>They
hurt, but what really stings</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Is when I add it up:</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>No
roommates and no wedding ring,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>No money, book, or cup. . . . </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>I’m
definitely glad you’re there, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal>Protecting me from this despair,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The
bruises my ego would otherwise wear,</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Believing it deserved them.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>You
help me function, help me dare, </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>Steel nerves when life unnerves them.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The
trouble is, we must – like flowers –</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Receive
the right amount of showers</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>And sun
to pull new blooms from bowers.</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN>To help us be us</P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=MsoNormal>The
inner eye’s more sweet than sour:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"
class=MsoNormal>Ourselves as loved ones see us</P><BR><BR>Jim
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
John Cock <jpc2025@triad.rr.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The
Grand Design<BR>To: "'Colleague Dialogue'"
<dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net><BR>Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012,
1:32 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Rather delicious trialog, Paul. Thanks. I was
delighted to hear Dawkins say<BR>he was an agnostic, not an atheist, to
the laughter of many. Whatever he is,<BR>he has been thinking it all
through seriously. Williams was definitive but<BR>open. The moderator, a
philosopher, was less open.<BR><BR>I watched and listened as I watched
my Braves beat the Rays. That too was<BR>delicious as our first closer
came in in the 8th inning, Braves ahead 2-0,<BR>with two Rays outs, then
proceeded to hit the next two batters, loading the<BR>bases, followed by
the next batter hitting a blistering grounder that hit a<BR>Rays runners
and ended the 8th inning--and of course our closer finished off<BR>the
9th inning as always, remarkably, leaving the Braves in first place.
<BR><BR>Do inform us again, Paul, when they next debate, when they
hopefully get to<BR>the heart of the matter of the evolution of the
Earth community to deal with<BR>its future, and not just depend on
Darwinian evolution and
Godly<BR>intervention.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: <A
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ymailto="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</A><BR>[mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of<BR><A href="/mc/compose?to=PSchrijnen@aol.com"
ymailto="mailto:PSchrijnen@aol.com">PSchrijnen@aol.com</A><BR>Sent:
Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:41 PM<BR>To: <A
href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net"
ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<BR><BR>I enjoyed the debate between
Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of<BR>these questions:<BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</A><BR><BR>Maybe
it adds another dimension...?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>In a
message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, <A
href="/mc/compose?to=LAURELCG@aol.com"
ymailto="mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</A><BR>writes:<BR><BR>
<BR>
Jack,<BR> <BR> The Ground
of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the<BR>Evolutionary Impulse
(Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've<BR>called God. (This
I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all<BR>intelligent, but
our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the<BR>All, in the
phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One with All That<BR>Is."
Science is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists
are<BR>usually in awe of what they're discovering. What else would keep
someone<BR>looking in a microscope all day every day for years, or
whatever laborious<BR>process is required in their discipline?
Scientists like Bryan Swimme and<BR>men of faith like Thomas Berry
sometimes collaborate to come up with<BR>inspired works, like The
Universe Story. This is all just my humble opinion,<BR>as is the belief
that the church, the cutting edge today, is the<BR>evolutionary
spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of<BR>it and
almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are
the<BR>times, we are the
people."<BR> <BR> From
the great central valley of California, the center of
the<BR>Universe,<BR> Jann
<BR> <BR> In a message
dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,<BR><A
href="/mc/compose?to=icabombay@igc.org"
ymailto="mailto:icabombay@igc.org">icabombay@igc.org</A>
writes:<BR><BR> As to the "Grand
Design", it is the contention of some that<BR>the creative process, that
which underlies all, is inherently intelligent<BR>and that intelligence
can be understood.<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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