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Thanks Paul for this fascinating dialogue. It was far more civil than
some of the exchanges of ideas that often occur on this side of the
Atlantic. <br><br>
IMHO, Dr. Dawkins was quite modest in his claims to certainty about
things, and Archbishop Williams was quite articulate in defining what he
did and did not mean by "God." It seemed, though, that Dr.
Dawkins was objecting to a notion of God that Archbishop Rowan did not
advocate, and that is an example of what I find objectionable about
Steven Hawking's book. Of course it would be silly to expect physicists
to be experts in theology, as it would be for theologians to claim
expertise in physics. The two can co-exist quite harmoniously with one
dealing with value and meaning (why) and the other dealing with the
nature of reality and its operations (what and how). <br><br>
John <br><br>
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At 12:40 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>I enjoyed the
debate between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of these
questions:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</a><br>
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Maybe it adds another dimension...?<br>
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Paul<br>
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In a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time,
LAURELCG@aol.com writes:<br>
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<dd>Jack,<br>
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<dd>The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the
Evolutionary Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've
called God. (This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all
intelligent, but our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the
All, in the phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One
with All That Is." Science is about grappling to understand it. Good
scientists are usually in awe of what they're discovering. What else
would keep someone looking in a microscope all day every day for years,
or whatever laborious process is required in their discipline? Scientists
like Bryan Swimme and men of faith like Thomas Berry sometimes
collaborate to come up with inspired works, like The Universe Story.
</i></b>This is all just my humble opinion, as is the belief that the
church, the cutting edge today, is the evolutionary spirituality
movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of it and almost invariably
ends her internet sessions with "These are the times, we are the
people."<br>
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<dd>From the great central valley of California, the center of the
Universe,<br>
<dd>Jann <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
icabombay@igc.org writes:<br>
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<dd>As to the "Grand Design", it is the contention of some that
the creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent
and that intelligence can be understood.<br><br>
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