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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Two quotes from “Unknowns” that I believe:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“Illusions are the way we maintain our sanity when reality bursts in.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The other<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“We never know reality for it is like looking on the face of God. All we know are our illusions and when they are shattered we simply replace them with new ones we invent or adopt from someone else. They are the shadows on Socrates cave”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>George<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Cock<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 21, 2012 3:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Colleague Dialogue'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>thx, jim, for the</span><span style='color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'>charles winquist, <em>desiring theology</em> ('95) quote. been thumbing through it. interesting. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>and i've never tried to categorize my illusions as positive or negative. that too is interesting.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>john<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]">[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Wiegel<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 21, 2012 2:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Colleague Dialogue<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Found this poem in the waiting area at the Episcopal Diocese office here in Arizona. Somehow it relates to this topic.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>To My Medial Prefrontal Cortex<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Isabel Galbraith<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>People who have positive illusions are less likely to be depressed. . . . There are risks, however, in maintaining illusions that are too out of whack. – Timothy D, Wilson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>When I first heard of you, my scout,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Spinning, glossing, scrubbing out<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Harsh facts about myself—the grout<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> And plaque of melancholy—<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I welcomed you, my little sprout <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Of green and glossy holly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Within your songs, you troubadour, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I'm Mark Twain, not James Fennimore,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Kristin Wig, not Drew Barrymore,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Marley, not Cheech or Chong;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I’m touchable waves, not pompadour, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Bikini, not sarong.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>But now I know you’re there I’m scared.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>What buried thoughts have not been bared?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>What temporary awarenesses aired<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Then were shut up in their towers?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I don’t want to be unprepared<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> For life’s cold thundershowers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>So don’t puff me up to astronaut, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Or Guinevere of Camelot, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Or world’s best boss, Sir Michael Scott—<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> The let-down’s suicidal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>As Dangle and his banjo not<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Making American Idol.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>And so, tonight, I try to view<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Myself as all outsiders do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I shut you off; now I’m see-through<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> As a window in the dark,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>And in the mirror I’m 32<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> And what is soft is stark:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Dumb jokes my friends indulge me in, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>New wrinkles in my oily skin, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>The <i>joie de vivre</i> that I trade in<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> For grouchiness at home,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Lost time that I could have spent<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Working on a poem, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Dumb poems about the slightest things,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>A pen that’s lost and long-lost flings –<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>They hurt, but what really stings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Is when I add it up:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>No roommates and no wedding ring,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> No money, book, or cup. . . . <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>I’m definitely glad you’re there, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Protecting me from this despair,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>The bruises my ego would otherwise wear,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Believing it deserved them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>You help me function, help me dare, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> Steel nerves when life unnerves them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>The trouble is, we must – like flowers –<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Receive the right amount of showers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>And sun to pull new blooms from bowers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'> To help us be us<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>The inner eye’s more sweet than sour: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'>Ourselves as loved ones see us<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Jim Wiegel<br><br>Many have tried to define creativity, to quantify and qualify it . . . Some say it involves imagination; Whatever your definition of creativity or the creative process, marvelous creations abound to improve our lives and inspire us Kaneko Center<br><br>401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401<br>+1 623-363-3277 skype: jfredwiegel<br><a href="mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com">jfwiegel@yahoo.com</a> <a href="http://www.partnersinparticipation.com">www.partnersinparticipation.com</a><br><br>Upcoming public course opportunities:<br>ToP Facilitation Methods: Feb 7-8, May 15-16, Sept 11-12, 2012<br>ToP Strategic Planning: Oct 9-10, 2012<br>The Arizona ToP Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Feb 3, 2012<br>Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Aug 22-24, 2012. See website for further details. <br>AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP courses<br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 5/20/12, John Cock <i><<a href="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com">jpc2025@triad.rr.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: John Cock <<a href="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com">jpc2025@triad.rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br>To: "'Colleague Dialogue'" <<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 1:32 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Rather delicious trialog, Paul. Thanks. I was delighted to hear Dawkins say<br>he was an agnostic, not an atheist, to the laughter of many. Whatever he is,<br>he has been thinking it all through seriously. Williams was definitive but<br>open. The moderator, a philosopher, was less open.<br><br>I watched and listened as I watched my Braves beat the Rays. That too was<br>delicious as our first closer came in in the 8th inning, Braves ahead 2-0,<br>with two Rays outs, then proceeded to hit the next two batters, loading the<br>bases, followed by the next batter hitting a blistering grounder that hit a<br>Rays runners and ended the 8th inning--and of course our closer finished off<br>the 9th inning as always, remarkably, leaving the Braves in first place. <br><br>Do inform us again, Paul, when they next debate, when they hopefully get to<br>the heart of the matter of the evolution of the Earth community to deal with<br>its future, and not just depend on Darwinian evolution and Godly<br>intervention.<br><br>John<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>[mailto:<a href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=PSchrijnen@aol.com">PSchrijnen@aol.com</a><br>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:41 PM<br>To: <a href="/mc/compose?to=dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br><br>I enjoyed the debate between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of<br>these questions:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</a><br><br>Maybe it adds another dimension...?<br><br>Paul<br><br><br><br><br>In a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, <a href="/mc/compose?to=LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</a><br>writes:<br><br> <br> Jack,<br> <br> The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the<br>Evolutionary Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've<br>called God. (This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all<br>intelligent, but our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the<br>All, in the phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One with All That<br>Is." Science is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists are<br>usually in awe of what they're discovering. What else would keep someone<br>looking in a microscope all day every day for years, or whatever laborious<br>process is required in their discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and<br>men of faith like Thomas Berry sometimes collaborate to come up with<br>inspired works, like The Universe Story. This is all just my humble opinion,<br>as is the belief that the church, the cutting edge today, is the<br>evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of<br>it and almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are the<br>times, we are the people."<br> <br> >From the great central valley of California, the center of the<br>Universe,<br> Jann <br> <br> In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=icabombay@igc.org">icabombay@igc.org</a> writes:<br><br> As to the "Grand Design", it is the contention of some that<br>the creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent<br>and that intelligence can be understood.<br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Dialogue mailing list<br> <a href="/mc/compose?to=Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br> <a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><br> <br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dialogue mailing list<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>