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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>R Williams<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 21, 2012 3:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Colleague
Dialogue</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand
Design</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>George,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Perhaps the
primary way we talk about reality is to tell stories about
reality. When we forget that our stories are not reality, that
they are stories <u>about</u> reality, our stories become illusions.
When we think our stories <u>are</u> reality, i.e. that our illusions are the
way it really is, we get dogmatic and ideological and exclude
all those who tell other stories about reality. That's one
way to define fundamentalism. Fundamentalists, religious and
otherwise, literalize and absolutize their own stories, as if they were
more than stories, insist that everyone else do the same, and exclude
those who will not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>So,
John, maybe what George's quotes refer to as illusions that
soften reality and save us from insanity are
"good" illusions, and the ones that make us dogmatic and
exclusive are "bad" illusions. Not sure, just ruminating.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Randy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>"Listen
to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to
be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."<br>
-Martin Buber (adapted)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> M George Walters <m.george.walters@verizon.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Colleague
Dialogue</st1:PersonName>' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 21, 2012 3:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand
Design</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Two
quotes from “Unknowns” that I believe:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>“Illusions
are the way we maintain our sanity when reality bursts in.”</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>The
other</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>“We
never know reality for it is like looking on the face of God. All we know are
our illusions and when they are shattered we simply replace them with new ones
we invent or adopt from someone else. They are the shadows on Socrates cave”.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>George</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net
[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Cock<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 21, 2012 3:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Colleague
Dialogue</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand
Design</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>thx, jim, for
the</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>charles winquist, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>desiring theology</span></i> ('95) quote. been
thumbing through it. interesting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>and i've
never tried to categorize my illusions as positive or negative. that too is
interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>john<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net%5d"
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Wiegel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 21, 2012 2:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Colleague
Dialogue</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dialogue] The Grand
Design</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Found this poem in the waiting area at the Episcopal
Diocese office here in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>.
Somehow it relates to this topic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>To My Medial Prefrontal Cortex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Isabel Galbraith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>People who have positive illusions are less likely
to be depressed. . . . There are risks, however, in maintaining illusions
that are too out of whack. – Timothy D, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>When I first heard of you, my scout,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Spinning, glossing, scrubbing out<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Harsh facts about myself—the grout<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
And plaque of melancholy—<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I welcomed you, my little sprout <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Of green and glossy holly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Within your songs, you troubadour, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm Mark Twain, not James Fennimore,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kristin Wig, not Drew Barrymore,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Marley, not Cheech or Chong;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I’m touchable waves, not pompadour, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bikini</span></font></st1:place>, not sarong.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But now I know you’re there I’m scared.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What buried thoughts have not been bared?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What temporary awarenesses aired<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Then were shut up in their towers?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t want to be unprepared<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
For life’s cold thundershowers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>So don’t puff me up to astronaut, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Or Guinevere of Camelot, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Or world’s best boss, Sir Michael Scott—<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
The let-down’s suicidal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As Dangle and his banjo not<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Making American Idol.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And so, tonight, I try to view<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Myself as all outsiders do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I shut you off; now I’m see-through<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
As a window in the dark,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And in the mirror I’m 32<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
And what is soft is stark:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dumb jokes my friends indulge me in, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>New wrinkles in my oily skin, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The <i><span style='font-style:italic'>joie de vivre</span></i>
that I trade in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>
For grouchiness at home,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lost time that I could have spent<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Working on a poem, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dumb poems about the slightest things,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A pen that’s lost and long-lost flings –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>They hurt, but what really stings<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Is when I add it up:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>No roommates and no wedding ring,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
No money, book, or cup. . . . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I’m definitely glad you’re there, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Protecting me from this despair,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The bruises my ego would otherwise wear,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Believing it deserved them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>You help me function, help me dare, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Steel nerves when life unnerves them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The trouble is, we must – like flowers –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Receive the right amount of showers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And sun to pull new blooms from bowers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>
To help us be us<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The inner eye’s more sweet than sour: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ourselves as loved ones see us<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
From: John Cock <<a href="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:jpc2025@triad.rr.com">jpc2025@triad.rr.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br>
To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Colleague Dialogue</st1:PersonName>'"
<<a href="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net">dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br>
Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 1:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Rather delicious trialog, Paul. Thanks. I was
delighted to hear Dawkins say<br>
he was an agnostic, not an atheist, to the laughter of many. Whatever he is,<br>
he has been thinking it all through seriously. Williams was definitive but<br>
open. The moderator, a philosopher, was less open.<br>
<br>
I watched and listened as I watched my Braves beat the Rays. That too was<br>
delicious as our first closer came in in the 8th inning, Braves ahead 2-0,<br>
with two Rays outs, then proceeded to hit the next two batters, loading the<br>
bases, followed by the next batter hitting a blistering grounder that hit a<br>
Rays runners and ended the 8th inning--and of course our closer finished off<br>
the 9th inning as always, remarkably, leaving the Braves in first place. <br>
<br>
Do inform us again, Paul, when they next debate, when they hopefully get to<br>
the heart of the matter of the evolution of the Earth community to deal with<br>
its future, and not just depend on Darwinian evolution and Godly<br>
intervention.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net<br>
[mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of<br>
PSchrijnen@aol.com<br>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:41 PM<br>
To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<br>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design<br>
<br>
I enjoyed the debate between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of<br>
these questions:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0</a><br>
<br>
Maybe it adds another dimension...?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">LAURELCG@aol.com</st1:PersonName><br>
writes:<br>
<br>
<br>
Jack,<br>
<br>
The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the<br>
Evolutionary Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've<br>
called God. (This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all<br>
intelligent, but our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the<br>
All, in the phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One
with All That<br>
Is." Science is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists are<br>
usually in awe of what they're discovering. What else would keep someone<br>
looking in a microscope all day every day for years, or whatever laborious<br>
process is required in their discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and<br>
men of faith like Thomas Berry sometimes collaborate to come up with<br>
inspired works, like The Universe Story. This is all just my humble opinion,<br>
as is the belief that the church, the cutting edge today, is the<br>
evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of<br>
it and almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are the<br>
times, we are the people."<br>
<br>
From the great central <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">valley</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">California</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>,
the center of the<br>
Universe,<br>
Jann <br>
<br>
In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time,<br>
icabombay@igc.org writes:<br>
<br>
As to the "Grand Design", it
is the contention of some that<br>
the creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent<br>
and that intelligence can be understood.<br>
<br>
<br>
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