[Dialogue] SORRY, HERE IS THE TEXT.Re: [Oe List ...] How would we rewrite this?

Wed Jan 7 11:55:38 PST 2026

I think I would suggest that they use a phenomenological method (otherwise
known as the Focused Conversation Method) to ground the content of the
documents in today’s real life experience…

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 2:34 PM James Wiegel via Dialogue <
dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> Dear friends: Today the Holy Father announced an upcoming catechesis on
> the documents of the Second Vatican Council, which he called the "North
> Star" guiding the church. It is essential reading for understanding his
> papacy.
> Catechesis: Vatican Council II through its Documents. Introductory
> catechesis
> Brothers and sisters, good morning and welcome!
> After the Jubilee Year, during which we focused on the mysteries of the
> life of Jesus, we will begin a new cycle of catechesis which will be
> dedicated to Vatican Council II and a rereading of its Documents. It is a
> valuable opportunity to rediscover the beauty and the importance of this
> ecclesial event. Saint John Paul II, at the end of the Jubilee 2000,
> stated: “I feel more than ever in duty bound to point to the Council as the
> great grace bestowed on the Church in the twentieth century” (Apostolic
> Letter Novo millennio ineunte, 57).
> Together with the anniversary of the Council of Nicaea, in 2025 we
> remembered the seventieth anniversary of Vatican Council II. Although the
> time that separates us from this event is not so long, it is equally true
> that the generation of bishops, theologians and believers of Vatican II is
> no longer with us. Therefore, while we hear the call not to let its
> prophecy fade, and to continue to seek ways and means to implement its
> insights, it will be important to get to know it again closely, and to do
> so not through “hearsay” or interpretations that have been given, but by
> rereading its documents and reflecting on their content. Indeed, it is the
> Magisterium that still constitutes the guiding star of the Church’s journey
> today. As Benedict XVI taught, “as the years have passed, the Conciliar
> Documents have lost none of their timeliness; indeed, their teachings are
> proving particularly relevant to the new situation of the Church and the
> current globalized society” (First Message at the end of the Eucharistic
> Concelebration with the Members of the College of Cardinals, 20 April 2005).
> When Pope Saint John XXIII opened the Council on 11 October 1962, he spoke
> of it as the dawn of a day of light for the whole Church. The work of the
> numerous Fathers convened from the Churches of all continents did indeed
> pave the way for a new ecclesial season. After a rich biblical, theological
> and liturgical reflection spanning the twentieth century, Vatican Council
> II rediscovered the face of God as the Father who, in Christ, calls us to
> be his children; it looked at the Church in the light of Christ, light of
> nations, as a mystery of communion and sacrament of unity between God and
> his people; it initiated important liturgical reform, placing at its centre
> the mystery of salvation and the active and conscious participation of the
> entire People of God. At the same time, it helped us to open up to the
> world and to embrace the changes and challenges of the modern age in
> dialogue and co-responsibility, as a Church that wishes to open her arms to
> humanity, to echo the hopes and anxieties of peoples, and to collaborate in
> building a more just and fraternal society.
> Thanks to Vatican Council II, the Church “has something to say, a message
> to give, a communication to make” (Saint Paul VI, Encyclical Letter
> Ecclesiam suam, 65), striving to seek the truth by way of ecumenism,
> interreligious dialogue and dialogue with people of good will.
> This spirit, this inner disposition, must characterize our spiritual life
> and the pastoral action of the Church, because we have yet to achieve
> ecclesial reform more fully in a ministerial sense and, in the face of
> today’s challenges, we are called to continue to be vigilant interpreters
> of the signs of the times, joyful proclaimers of the Gospel, courageous
> witnesses of justice and peace. At the beginning of the Council, Monsignor
> Albino Luciani, the future Pope John Paul I, as Bishop of Vittorio Veneto,
> wrote prophetically, “As always, there is a need to achieve not so much
> organizations or methods or structures, but a deeper and more widespread
> holiness. ... It may be that the excellent and abundant fruits of a Council
> will be seen after centuries and will mature by laboriously overcoming
> conflicts and adverse situations”.[1] Rediscovering the Council, then, as
> Pope Francis remarked, helps us to “restore primacy to God, to what is
> essential: to a Church madly in love with its Lord and with all the men and
> women whom he loves” (Homily on the sixtieth anniversary of the beginning
> of Vatican Council II, 11 October 2022).
> Brothers and sisters, Saint Paul VI’s words to the Council Fathers at the
> end of its work remain a guiding principle for us today. He affirmed that
> the time had come to leave the Council assembly and go out towards humanity
> to bring it the good news of the Gospel, in the awareness that they had
> experienced a time of grace in which the past, present and future were
> condensed: “The past: for here, gathered in this spot, we have the Church
> of Christ with her tradition, her history, her councils, her doctors, her
> saints; the present, for we are taking leave of one another to go out
> towards the world of today with its miseries, its sufferings, its sins, but
> also with its prodigious accomplishments, its values, its virtues; and
> lastly the future is here in the urgent appeal of the peoples of the world
> for more justice, in their will for peace, in their conscious or
> unconscious thirst for a higher life, that life precisely which the Church
> of Christ can and wishes to give them” (Saint Paul VI, Message to the
> Council Fathers, 8 December 1965).
> This is also true for us. As we approach the documents of Vatican Council
> II and rediscover their prophetic and contemporary relevance, we welcome
> the rich tradition of the life of the Church and, at the same time, we
> question ourselves about the present and renew our joy in running towards
> the world to bring it the Gospel of the kingdom of God, a kingdom of love,
> justice and peace.
> [1] A. Luciani – John Paul I, Note sul Concilio, in Opera omnia, vol. II,
> Vittorio Veneto 1959-1962. Discorsi, scritti, articoli, Padua 1988, 451-453.
>
>
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> The unknown is what is.  And to be frightened of it is what sends
> everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love,
> hate, all that.  Unknown is what is.  Accept that it's unknown, and it's
> plain sailing.    John Lennon
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> On Wednesday, January 7, 2026 at 11:20:38 AM MST, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>
> The current pope is calling for a re-reading and study of the documents
> from Vatican II ‘62-65 as they give guidance for these days.  Our councils
> and formation date from this same time period. I wonder  what we would say?
>
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> Jim Wiegel
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