[Dialogue] Dialogue Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6

Lawrence Philbrook icalarry at gmail.com
Sun Jul 13 17:13:59 PDT 2025 

Jim this is what i found - 3 notes

From an earlier note from Jo Nelson (2004) I saved
Scripture conversation  
What words or phrases struck you?
What were the issues in the text?
Where do you experience those issues in life today?
What does the text have to say to us?
 
From the Golden Pathways
EXPERIMENTATION WITH NEW WAY OF READING SCRIPTURE
i. CREATE FORM

A. Setting: Middle of model building

Middle of philosophizing about the work, or a happening during the work

Middle of symbolic life of the sodality, such as birthdays, song writing, etc.

B. Relationships: Group of people together. Guru established as the one in charge. Objective of conversation comes from situation not one imposed. Style is free; not highly structured.

C. Timing: Decide on time beforehand, or break in when appropriate.

Can be first thing

Middle of work

Lunch hour

At the end of a day

after some particular work you could pull scripture through

II. READING

A. Decide on reading style; whether read by group at home as an assignment or read by guru aloud.

If read by guru aloud:

1. Analyze beforehand. Know background of passage. Know related information about characters.

2. Give asides

3. Stop and make comments

4. Ask questions such as "I wonder how he figured that out?"

B. Cover one episode, or two or three. Not necessary to cover one chapter each day or to complete each chapter. Ordinarily cover more than one so person doesn't sit and interpret. We're after the journey or flow, not an isolated incident. Not an art form conversation. We're after reflection.


III. CONVERSATION

A. Ask questions that relate to your interior response relative to passage. Look for new words that describe that goingonness.

B. Ask poetic questions relative to spirit journey, such as sheet of paper that turned brown with candle behind: turns yellow, brown, flame, hole appears.

C. Discuss the dynamics that went on and the characters themselves according to the passage.

D. Avoid interpretations. Look for spirit journey objectification.

E. Define terms that release participants from particular postures, such as moralism, psychologism.

F. Define terms that get at heart of matter: ontology, center, self-conscioueness.

G. Develop method to get away from the details of the story in order to enliven the encounter.

H. Scripture is out for journey of man. Out to elicit awareness of our own journey.

IV. CREATE GURU STYLE

A. Garrulous. Almost over talkative. Spin subject.

B. Arrive at heart tangentially. Use wisdom from lecture method. Walk around it in tangents, then pounce on it. Then give pearl of great price - statement of fact.

C. Keep distance. Not there to have people like you. You are there so the Word happens; not an illustration of how to do things.

D. They can develop into gurus. Shocked at their own insights.

E. Only goal is his transparency.


From the Golden Pathways there is a section ( also in the archives  https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/meth/100439.htm)   -SPIRIT METHODS:Spirit, Gospels, and Psalm Conversations - George West  - this is longer and discusses the flow and the pearl  





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> From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Dialogue] Can you recall?
> Date: July 13, 2025 at 23:51:48 GMT+8
> To: nj.lindblad at icloud.com, Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Judy Lindblad <nj.lindblad at gmail.com>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
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> In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations.  I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
> 
> Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
> 
>  Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
> 
> This is what I recall
> SCRIPTURE / QUOTE
> Read the verse/quote outloud.  Maybe read it a second time?
> What are the key words?  What words might we substitute for those words?
> So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words?
> -------then I get lost
> 
> NEWS
> What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so?
> Which one should we talk about?
> --------- then I get lost
> 
> I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
> 
> Jim Wiegel
> “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories,  Judy L
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>>>  <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> elliestock at aol.com <mailto:elliestock at aol.com> 
>>> 
>>> <1751592084062blob.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/> 
>>> 
>>> davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence <http://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence> 
>>> 
>>> The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter.
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> From: Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Can you recall?
> Date: July 14, 2025 at 01:13:52 GMT+8
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: nj.lindblad at icloud.com, Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> 
> 
> There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience. 
> 
> I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year! 
> 
> The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.”  
> 
> Take care,
> Jo
> 
> --
> Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF  <jo.r.nelson at gmail.com <mailto:jo.r.nelson at gmail.com>>
> 647 233 6910
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> "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.
> Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."  Margaret Mead
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>> In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations.  I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
>> 
>> Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
>> 
>>  Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
>> 
>> This is what I recall
>> SCRIPTURE / QUOTE
>> Read the verse/quote outloud.  Maybe read it a second time?
>> What are the key words?  What words might we substitute for those words?
>> So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words?
>> -------then I get lost
>> 
>> NEWS
>> What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so?
>> Which one should we talk about?
>> --------- then I get lost
>> 
>> I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
>> 
>> Jim Wiegel
>> “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories,  Judy L
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>>>>  <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
>>>> 
>>>> Ellie
>>>> elliestock at aol.com <mailto:elliestock at aol.com> 
>>>> 
>>>> <1751592084062blob.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/> 
>>>> 
>>>> davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence <http://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OE mailing list
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> From: Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Can you recall?
> Date: July 14, 2025 at 01:13:52 GMT+8
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: nj.lindblad at icloud.com, Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>, James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> 
> 
> There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience. 
> 
> I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year! 
> 
> The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.”  
> 
> Take care,
> Jo
> 
> --
> Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF  <jo.r.nelson at gmail.com <mailto:jo.r.nelson at gmail.com>>
> 647 233 6910
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.
> Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."  Margaret Mead
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>> In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations.  I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
>> 
>> Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
>> 
>>  Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
>> 
>> This is what I recall
>> SCRIPTURE / QUOTE
>> Read the verse/quote outloud.  Maybe read it a second time?
>> What are the key words?  What words might we substitute for those words?
>> So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words?
>> -------then I get lost
>> 
>> NEWS
>> What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so?
>> Which one should we talk about?
>> --------- then I get lost
>> 
>> I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
>> 
>> Jim Wiegel
>> “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “       Stephen Hawking
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories,  Judy L
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
>>>>  <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
>>>> 
>>>> Ellie
>>>> elliestock at aol.com <mailto:elliestock at aol.com> 
>>>> 
>>>> <1751592084062blob.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/> 
>>>> 
>>>> davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence <http://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OE mailing list
>>>> OE at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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