[Dialogue] Stoicism

[Karenbueno]

 Stoic: I'm fine.  
Me: Are you telling the truth?Stoic: Well, even if I hurt, what can I do.  I will just bear it.Me: Have you tried what the doctor advised?Stoic: Oh, I probably will soon.  Stop worrying about me.  I'm fine.
Another day--Stoic: I don't see how we need to worry about climate change.  It will destroy us and the rest of life on the planet soon.Me: But shouldn't we do a few actions that might help.Stoic:  Oh, we are too far gone.  The oceans are rising, the ice is about gone.  We might as well just enjoy the life we have.Me: but what about our kids and grandkids and their kids?Stoic:  Look.  We are human.  The planet it too far gone.  We may as well just accept it.
Another day--Stoic: Well, I think we have gone as far as we can to abolish racism in the United States.Me: I think there is still a lot of suffering from racism.  I think we should find some way to pay reparations.Stoic: You pay for it.  I have some other things I want to do with our money.
Another day--Me: Did you hear about how the Wisconsin government is giving back some of their land to the Indians?Stoic: Oh for Pete Sake.  That war is long over, and we are getting along fine.
Another day--Stoic: Listen to those shovels!  They are finishing my work!Me: No, honey, they are digging your grave.
Another day--Me: They say that faith is belief in things not seen.Stoic: Ha.  Sounds pretty magic to me!Me: But if you trust that the creative power of God is in charge, you can have hope that the future is open, and we can act!Stoic: Naptime now.


Karen Bueno
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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Sent: Thu, Jan 20, 2022 5:27 pm
Subject: [Dialogue] Stoicism

Dear colleagues,

I need help with an idea I’m trying to sort out. If you have the time and inclination, I would love to hear from you on the following: 

Saying Yes to life and Stoicism. Stoicism seems to be understood as a relationship to life where you keep going on despite the odds. There is also an inuendo that this may not be humanly possible and that internal pressures will eventually cause the person to crash. What I want to know is, was that the Stoicism that Zeno founded or merely a degraded understanding? Why did we as an Order cast it in a negative light? What was our beef with it? Was it a reaction to the degraded form or were we looking at it in its original sense?
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