[Dialogue] “And now we know why”

Thu Sep 5 01:42:10 PDT 2019

Randy,
This is very helpful.
Thank you.
Mary

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:11 AM Sunny Walker via Dialogue <
dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> Appreciate this - WELL said!
> Sunny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of Randy
> Williams via Dialogue
> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:18 AM
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Randy Williams <randycw1938 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] “And now we know why”
>
> To suggest that we succeeded or failed at, for example, the renewal of the
> local church, is to me a little arrogant in that it seems to assume that we
> were the only influences at work in that effort, and that it all began and
> ended within the parameters of the time during which we were engaged in the
> work.
>
> I will say that at the time we declared that the church was renewed, and
> then did the “turn to the world,” the renewed church did not look like what
> I had envisioned the renewed church would look like. Nor does it today.
>
> So for me the question is not did we succeed or fail, but were we faithful
> to the call and to our covenant as a community. I believe we were, and
> therefore I am at peace with Bonhoeffer’s proclamation that “it is God who
> sees the heart, weighs the deed, and directs the course of history.” (Did I
> remember that correctly?)
>
> Meanwhile, as we all well know, whatever we choose to call it, success or
> failure, is indicative of little more than the relationship we take to the
> reality we have.
>
> Randy
>
> > On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:50 AM, Nancy Trask via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> >
> > The Water Warriors in Cannonball ND are another example.
> >
> > Nancy Trask
> > 515-505-0456
> > nancy50273 at centurylink.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paula Philbrook via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> > To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> > Cc: Paula Philbrook <paula.philbrook at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 00:42:20 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] “And now we know why”
> >
> > Thank you all for your reflections.
> >
> > At an Order youth meeting at the South House, JWM spoke.  The only
> > part I can remember was when he said, the "real" impact of the Order
> > will be seen in its third generation.
> >
> > I hear on Facebook tidbits from gen 2 about their lives, cares, &
> > activism.  Sometimes, I get a glimmer of gen 3. And I smile.  Watch your
> > grand children! My daughters have grown to be amazing women.   As I
> witness
> > their self understanding, world view & global care.
> >
> > I had the gift of Mangla & Hiramon's daughter here in Chicago for a
> > couple of years.  What a testimony to the Blue shirts!
> >
> > I have no doubt the Spirit Movement made an impact.  The Journey
> > itself is the victory.
> >
> > Paula
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 8:56 PM Mari Crocker via Dialogue <
> > dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I love Jim’s probing questions in response to Jack’s pronouncements
> >> about all the places “we failed.”
> >>
> >> And I appreciate Dick’s gentle defense, based on his experience in
> >> the trenches of each.
> >>
> >> I also appreciate Jack’s subsequent expansive philosophical
> >> commentary that, as only Jack can, enlarged the context such that
> >> none of us really disagree.
> >>
> >> But I do.
> >>
> >> I believe we DID win in renewing the historic church as it existed in
> >> the latter part of the 20th century  (via RSI and our comprehensive
> >> curriculum -the Academy), in large part by expanding Religious Houses
> >> (via initiating the LCX and Parish Outreach Projects), and
> >> globalizing our work via HDP Replication (via Town Meetings, HDTS and
> >> Global Collegia such as the IERD.). And then the “we” had become the
> >> “us” — so many people of myriad cultures, languages and faiths,
> >> working “as local people, to build the earth, the planet earth."
> >>
> >> I measure our “win” versus “failure” in the words of human beings
> >> whose lives were “utterly changed/transformed” by their interaction
> >> with us, the OE, the ICA, the “blue shirts”, etc…….Joe and I  have
> >> heard those words, over and over again.  These need not be documented
> >> in polls or quantitative research.  I trust these voices are echoed
> >> in our archives and can contradict themes of “failure.”
> >>
> >> Grace and peace,  Marilyn (and Joe)
> >>
> >> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Jack Gilles via Dialogue <
> >> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dick,
> >>
> >> I just wanted to affirm your response to my rather glib use of the
> >> word “failure”. All of creation, through a sensitive and response
> >> capacity, experiments with new forms. They are then constantly
> >> refined in the creative process over eons of time to what became
> lasting. So do we humans.
> >> We evolve through experimentation, learn from that experience and
> adjust.
> >> So we certainly were trying to be responsive to a vision of, (HDP,
> >> for example), what the new local needs to look like. We may not have
> >> succeeded but we learned. And it is that learning (and experimenting)
> >> that needs to be shared with other awakened one; and the time is
> >> short. You are exactly
> >> right: “failure is what drives life”. One thing clear to me is the
> >> new paradigm *is* here. The question is how fast that new paradigm
> >> becomes the operating paradigm. Telling the New Story is the new
> evangelism.
> >>
> >> Thanks!!
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2019, at 16:18, Richard Alton via Dialogue <
> >> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Great question Jim: I did a lot of replicating and would not describe
> >> any of them as failures or for that matter the 3 religious houses and
> >> for that matter a life time of church renewal- all have been awesome
> >> experiences, although would agree if you are saying the basic nature
> >> of life is failure....failure is what drives life Dick
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2019, at 1:15 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <
> >> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jack:  you said in a recent email . . .
> >>
> >>
> >> We failed at replication, but now we know why.
> >>
> >>
> >> We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why.
> >>
> >>
> >> We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know
> why.
> >>
> >>
> >> I tried hunting around the archive website and looked a bit around
> >> wedgeblade.net.  Is there a document somewhere that outlines these
> >> “why’s”?
> >>
> >>
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