[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's

[A.M. Noel]

Dear Jack,
I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING &
BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing.
A.M. Noel


On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue <
dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> A.M.,
>
> You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the
> sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human
> race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see
> the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage
> will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How
> are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We
> are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no
> question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least
> three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path
> becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you
> start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once
> you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we
> named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a
> time of Prayer.
>
> With Respect,
>
> Jack
>
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Rob, Ellie
> Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human
> condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other.
> I could be completely off, and I think  the human contradiction is FEAR (
> false events/evidence appearing as real),
> A.M. Noel
> 646-939-1273
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>> From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in
>> articulating the reality of "sin".
>>
>> For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more
>> sense:   The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated.
>> "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal
>> Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive
>> patterns of behavior towards all life.
>>
>> Love/compassion is the antidote.  The call to demonstrate inclusive,
>> unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the
>> interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather
>> than tears down.
>>
>> Ellie
>> elliestock at aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>;
>> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers at msn.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
>>
>>
>> Dear A.M.,
>>
>> Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your
>> and other's answers.
>>
>> A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a
>> vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full
>> potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is
>> blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human
>> contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*,
>> independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the
>> expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the
>> true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of
>> suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian
>> perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are
>> in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from
>> self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of
>> perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and
>> even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism
>> - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I
>> can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will
>> and my glory.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> In solidarity,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> ................................................................................................
>> Recent book: *A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable
>> Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations*
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617
>> Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/
>> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/>
>> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/>
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ​
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via
>> OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM
>> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> *Cc:* A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
>>
>> We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could
>> come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the
>> human contradiction?
>>
>> A.M. Noel
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <
>> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>
>> John and Colleagues,
>>
>> You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the
>> world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and
>> planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will
>> increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the
>> destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear
>> they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our
>> minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will
>> demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out
>> the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast
>> will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
>>
>> So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of
>> the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that
>> were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are
>> engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after
>> tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who
>> Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never
>> attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we
>> amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at
>> expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the
>> historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to
>> be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now
>> time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly
>> awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks
>> describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but
>> have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery
>> to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New
>> poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
>>
>> Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are
>> long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the
>> strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the
>> vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language
>> to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not
>> work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t
>> represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED
>> talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our
>> Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short
>> TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it
>> is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV.
>> Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process
>> work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points
>> and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp
>> the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so
>> much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> *The Spirit of the 20’s**John Epps, August 2019*
>>
>> The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come
>> from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which
>> raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them
>> in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
>>
>> *The Prevailing Spirit:*
>> Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*.
>> Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away
>> from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil
>> and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances
>> and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear
>> capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged
>> with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear
>> commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment
>> which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
>>
>> All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*.
>> We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender
>> identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a
>> threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak,
>> and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
>>
>> The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With
>> the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do?
>> Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains
>> local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address
>> larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties
>> with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in
>> providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite
>> agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
>>
>> We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each
>> issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable
>> relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin,
>> Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme
>> hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us”
>> against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating
>> “them.”
>>
>>
>> *Towards an Authentic Response:*This is where we meet the question of
>> God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our
>> existence.
>>
>> Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a
>> difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass
>> changes needed can come from local people.
>>
>> The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The
>> future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in
>> inventing it.
>>
>> Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome.
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