[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's

[A.M. Noel]

Dear Rob, Ellie
Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition.
The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other.
I could be completely off, and I think  the human contradiction is FEAR (
false events/evidence appearing as real),
A.M. Noel
646-939-1273


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <
dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating
> the reality of "sin".
>
> For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more
> sense:   The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated.
> "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal
> Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive
> patterns of behavior towards all life.
>
> Love/compassion is the antidote.  The call to demonstrate inclusive,
> unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the
> interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather
> than tears down.
>
> Ellie
> elliestock at aol.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>;
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers at msn.com>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
>
>
> Dear A.M.,
>
> Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your
> and other's answers.
>
> A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a
> vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full
> potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is
> blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human
> contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*, independent,
> unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any
> and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of
> the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That
> statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the
> contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin,
> which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from self, others,
> and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self
> is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature.
> This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I"
> am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do
> whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
>
> What do you think?
>
> In solidarity,
>
> Rob
>
> ................................................................................................
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> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via
> OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc:* A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
>
> We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could
> come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the
> human contradiction?
>
> A.M. Noel
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> John and Colleagues,
>
> You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world
> is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and
> planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will
> increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the
> destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear
> they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our
> minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will
> demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out
> the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast
> will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
>
> So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of
> the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that
> were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are
> engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after
> tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who
> Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never
> attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we
> amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at
> expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the
> historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to
> be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now
> time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly
> awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks
> describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but
> have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery
> to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New
> poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
>
> Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the
> tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make
> it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe
> not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National
> language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is
> dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way
> life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50
> Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen
> to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk).
> Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed
> the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the
> dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals
> the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle
> Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics
> and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more.
> Perhaps we need a forum to
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> *The Spirit of the 20’s **John Epps, August 2019*
>
> The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from
> Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises
> an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in
> trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
>
> *The Prevailing Spirit:*
> Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*.
> Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away
> from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil
> and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances
> and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear
> capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged
> with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear
> commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment
> which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
>
> All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*. We
> increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender
> identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a
> threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak,
> and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
>
> The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With
> the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do?
> Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains
> local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address
> larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties
> with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in
> providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite
> agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
>
> We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each issue,
> then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable
> relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin,
> Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme
> hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us”
> against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating
> “them.”
>
>
> *Towards an Authentic Response: *This is where we meet the question of
> God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our
> existence.
>
> Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference,
> should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can
> come from local people.
>
> The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The
> future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in
> inventing it.
>
> Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome.
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