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Refiguring the Birth of Christ

Column by Toni Reynolds on July 5, 2018

Part of the struggle for 21st century Christians is that we have inherited a tradition formed many lifetimes ago, a key component being the virgin birth of the Christ. This tradition has been handed to us with little to no permission to rework the interpretations for ourselves. I am eager to follow Bishop Spong?s lead in doing so before more time passes by. The leaders of the past fit the Jesus story into the scope of vision respective to their eras and cultures, giving us the creeds and doctrines while prohibiting us from doing the same shaping for our own present time. We need not continue with this prohibition if we aim to bring our most authentic selves to the timeline of Christianity. To me, there is no question whether or not Christianity is capable of being relevant in this century. From kernel to husk of the tradition there is something with which we can work to better understand God, ourselves, and our relationship to all things God has made. What I worry about is whether or not the churches that currently house Christianity are willing to let the tradition live in ways that it wants to, leaving it free to metabolize in each new millennium so that the people learn to be good to one another in ways that make sense to their changing needs. Clearly, Christians want to do this work. You reading essays like this one is a small testament to that. The fan base Spong amassed throughout his career is an even larger testament. So, our enterprise is to free ourselves of the ruling old school mindset that claims we have no right to understand these stories for ourselves. For Christianity to grow into our 21st century lives we must take seriously our right to understand these stories and concepts for ourselves. We have no choice but to embody an understanding of the Jesus story that empowers us to recognize our generation of Christians as fundamental in the lineage of this tradition. An assignment within this enterprise is to be about the business of truth seeking and adapting it for now. To find ways to encourage developing pastors to reject the acquired myth that ?your congregation won?t be ready for the truth about the Bible.? We must share resources and knowledge, wisdom and practices. We must live our lives in ways that reflect our priorities in all situations of life. In each gospel, creed, and doctrine existent in Protestant traditions is something of a time capsule for us to better understand the theological and political convictions of our faith ancestors. Whatever happened in those nine decades separating Mark from Matthew necessitated a deeper understanding of how/why Jesus?s birth was significant. Perhaps this is part of why this birth story goes from absent to colorfully present. It is worth questioning if the virgin birth accounts were some attempt to acknowledge the impressive role of Jesus?s mother in his life and ministry. As Spong notes, Mark takes care to name that Jesus?s mother was one who went to retrieve him as others were calling him crazy for his witness (p. 106). With implicit and explicit emphasis on Jesus?s maternal line we acknowledge the importance of honoring Mary in some significant way. What modern understandings of genetics has done is explained a process with images and details that leaves us thinking we know full well how a human being comes to exist in the stomach of another human being. Just because we can explain the process doesn?t mean the process is devoid of miraculousness; it?s just a different type of miraculous than the virgin birth attempted to capture. Perhaps more exciting is that it is a miraculous process that each of us has experienced. We share an intimate experience with Christ by having first arrived in the womb of another person. I defend the extraordinary nature of human conception and birth because birthing is an incredible symbol for the act of creating. I believe we are each called to create as a way of making offerings to the world and the Creator. Birthing is a symbol I believe has the power to preserve the gospel writers? hope that the followers of Jesus would take their ability to create seriously. Jesus?s birth and life is miraculous to us for different reasons than it was miraculous to the authors of Matthew and Luke. He was born into and killed by a ruthless empire. These facts are not disputable. We know that Rome was good at violent conquest and brutal crowd control, from physical to psychological forms of cruelty. Yet Jesus maintained his sense of purpose and his commitment to compassionate action despite the temptations of a violent culture. Mary begat Jesus and Jesus begat a ministry and legacy that prompted generations of compassionate care for one another and creation. This is our heritage. Creating is an act that is available to each of us. No exceptions. To matter in our present context, our understanding of the birth of Christ must fuel us as we resist the ills of our world today. A new interpretation of the virgin birth must focus on creating with clarity of heart and certainty of mind. After a day of personal challenges, in a week of stressful headlines in the news, through a year of ever-increasing crimes against humanity our understanding of Christ?s arrival to this world must fuel us in the direction of compassion. Regardless. Like Mary and Jesus we are called to birth loving acts in our own day and age. I propose that a contemporary version of Christ?s conception and birth be more explicitly linked to our call to co-create Holy works for the benefit of all beings. To do so in times that are resistant to Goodness will better align us with the priorities of Jesus. Through our words, thoughts, projects, prayers, relationships, memory making and future visioning we ought to be consulting the Holy Spirit as a creative partner in our lives. Never creating in isolation, forever creating so that all might experience the fullness of life on earth. There are many ways to reinterpret the virgin birth of the Christ child. To my estimation, the only crucial component that ought to exist in each is that Christians be motivated to live as a radical creator of compassion and justice. Ready to offer healing to a social enemy as Jesus does to the Syrophoenician woman, and equally ready to flip a table where injustice has become the new norm. A crucial hope of the birth of Christ narratives is that each reader be inspired to birth radical acts of loving justice that go along to birth their own radical acts of justice. One thought at a time. One relationship at a time. One song, poem, article, book at a time. Happy birthing.

~ Toni Reynolds Click here to read online and to share your thoughts

About the Author Minister Toni Anne Reynolds is committed to singing flesh onto the bones of the Christian tradition by incorporating recently found texts of the ancient world into liturgy, sermons, and poetry. Toni?s Christianity forms a holy trinity with the psychological medicine of Tibetan Buddhism and the eternal Life found in Yoruba traditions. Balanced in an eclectic faith and focused in theology, Toni?s ministry offers a unique perspective on life, theology, and spirituality.

Refiguring the Birth of Christ

Column by Toni Reynolds on July 5, 2018

Part of the struggle for 21st century Christians is that we have inherited a tradition formed many lifetimes ago, a key component being the virgin birth of the Christ. This tradition has been handed to us with little to no permission to rework the interpretations for ourselves. I am eager to follow Bishop Spong?s lead in doing so before more time passes by. The leaders of the past fit the Jesus story into the scope of vision respective to their eras and cultures, giving us the creeds and doctrines while prohibiting us from doing the same shaping for our own present time. We need not continue with this prohibition if we aim to bring our most authentic selves to the timeline of Christianity. To me, there is no question whether or not Christianity is capable of being relevant in this century. From kernel to husk of the tradition there is something with which we can work to better understand God, ourselves, and our relationship to all things God has made. What I worry about is whether or not the churches that currently house Christianity are willing to let the tradition live in ways that it wants to, leaving it free to metabolize in each new millennium so that the people learn to be good to one another in ways that make sense to their changing needs. Clearly, Christians want to do this work. You reading essays like this one is a small testament to that. The fan base Spong amassed throughout his career is an even larger testament. So, our enterprise is to free ourselves of the ruling old school mindset that claims we have no right to understand these stories for ourselves. For Christianity to grow into our 21st century lives we must take seriously our right to understand these stories and concepts for ourselves. We have no choice but to embody an understanding of the Jesus story that empowers us to recognize our generation of Christians as fundamental in the lineage of this tradition. An assignment within this enterprise is to be about the business of truth seeking and adapting it for now. To find ways to encourage developing pastors to reject the acquired myth that ?your congregation won?t be ready for the truth about the Bible.? We must share resources and knowledge, wisdom and practices. We must live our lives in ways that reflect our priorities in all situations of life. In each gospel, creed, and doctrine existent in Protestant traditions is something of a time capsule for us to better understand the theological and political convictions of our faith ancestors. Whatever happened in those nine decades separating Mark from Matthew necessitated a deeper understanding of how/why Jesus?s birth was significant. Perhaps this is part of why this birth story goes from absent to colorfully present. It is worth questioning if the virgin birth accounts were some attempt to acknowledge the impressive role of Jesus?s mother in his life and ministry. As Spong notes, Mark takes care to name that Jesus?s mother was one who went to retrieve him as others were calling him crazy for his witness (p. 106). With implicit and explicit emphasis on Jesus?s maternal line we acknowledge the importance of honoring Mary in some significant way. What modern understandings of genetics has done is explained a process with images and details that leaves us thinking we know full well how a human being comes to exist in the stomach of another human being. Just because we can explain the process doesn?t mean the process is devoid of miraculousness; it?s just a different type of miraculous than the virgin birth attempted to capture. Perhaps more exciting is that it is a miraculous process that each of us has experienced. We share an intimate experience with Christ by having first arrived in the womb of another person. I defend the extraordinary nature of human conception and birth because birthing is an incredible symbol for the act of creating. I believe we are each called to create as a way of making offerings to the world and the Creator. Birthing is a symbol I believe has the power to preserve the gospel writers? hope that the followers of Jesus would take their ability to create seriously. Jesus?s birth and life is miraculous to us for different reasons than it was miraculous to the authors of Matthew and Luke. He was born into and killed by a ruthless empire. These facts are not disputable. We know that Rome was good at violent conquest and brutal crowd control, from physical to psychological forms of cruelty. Yet Jesus maintained his sense of purpose and his commitment to compassionate action despite the temptations of a violent culture. Mary begat Jesus and Jesus begat a ministry and legacy that prompted generations of compassionate care for one another and creation. This is our heritage. Creating is an act that is available to each of us. No exceptions. To matter in our present context, our understanding of the birth of Christ must fuel us as we resist the ills of our world today. A new interpretation of the virgin birth must focus on creating with clarity of heart and certainty of mind. After a day of personal challenges, in a week of stressful headlines in the news, through a year of ever-increasing crimes against humanity our understanding of Christ?s arrival to this world must fuel us in the direction of compassion. Regardless. Like Mary and Jesus we are called to birth loving acts in our own day and age. I propose that a contemporary version of Christ?s conception and birth be more explicitly linked to our call to co-create Holy works for the benefit of all beings. To do so in times that are resistant to Goodness will better align us with the priorities of Jesus. Through our words, thoughts, projects, prayers, relationships, memory making and future visioning we ought to be consulting the Holy Spirit as a creative partner in our lives. Never creating in isolation, forever creating so that all might experience the fullness of life on earth. There are many ways to reinterpret the virgin birth of the Christ child. To my estimation, the only crucial component that ought to exist in each is that Christians be motivated to live as a radical creator of compassion and justice. Ready to offer healing to a social enemy as Jesus does to the Syrophoenician woman, and equally ready to flip a table where injustice has become the new norm. A crucial hope of the birth of Christ narratives is that each reader be inspired to birth radical acts of loving justice that go along to birth their own radical acts of justice. One thought at a time. One relationship at a time. One song, poem, article, book at a time. Happy birthing.

~ Toni Reynolds Click here to read online and to share your thoughts

About the Author Minister Toni Anne Reynolds is committed to singing flesh onto the bones of the Christian tradition by incorporating recently found texts of the ancient world into liturgy, sermons, and poetry. Toni?s Christianity forms a holy trinity with the psychological medicine of Tibetan Buddhism and the eternal Life found in Yoruba traditions. Balanced in an eclectic faith and focused in theology, Toni?s ministry offers a unique perspective on life, theology, and spirituality.

Question & Answer

Q: By Mark Adams-Westin I have been on a journey much like John Spong?s for almost 67 years. I have followed his work over the years with interest and used to be on his regular mailing list. I just finished his ?last Book? and found it both enlightening, and frustrating. I appreciated the insights and the bio of his and our shared journey, and resonate with many of his conclusions. Where I part company is his ?insight? that we human?s alone have ?self-consciousness,? which allows only us to grasp: life, death, fear, joy, God, spirit etc. Sadly Spong trots out the age old notion that humans are mentally & spiritually superior to the ?lower? beings on our planet. This attitude has justified our human lethal domination of this planet to the detriment of every species including human beings. Worst of all it is a conjecture that can neither be proven nor disproven (which I personally think is the easier of the two tasks) because we humans lack the ability to communicate with our fellow travelers. Stating this opinion and maintaining it as ?fact? throughout the book diminishes, Bishop Spong?s logic and conclusions, because it is so basic to every argument that follows. I pray that as we humans expand our own spiritual consciousness we will outgrow all of the assumptions we?ve nurtured about our innate superiority.

A: By Rev. Dr. Matthew Fox

Dear Mark

Rather than plunge into your disagreement with Bishop Spong as such, I prefer to speak to the important issue you raise about our so-called ?innate superiority? as a species.

To me, we as a species are better than other species in some things but inferior in others. Among the former, I would put front and center our capacity for evil. I don?t know any other species that has put such effort into developing nuclear missiles that would destroy the planet as we know it. Nor has any species created an event like the Second World War which killed at least 42 million human beings and sported concentration camps and the holocaust. Or that indulges in climate change and denial of climate change at the same time,

Why are we so superior when it comes to Evil? Aquinas says one human being can do more evil than all the other species put together. How did he know that, writing as he did in the thirteenth century and 700 years before Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, et al? Because he recognized the profundity of our intellects and our creativity which together constitute the ?image and likeness of God? that we carry either for good or for evil.

Rather than carry on the myth of our ?innate superiority,? I prefer to think in terms of what Meister Eckhart calls the ?equality of being?--at the level of being we are all equals, none greater than the other.[1] In a culture with its religions, theology and educational systems rarely talking about ?being? at all, we set ourselves up for the kind of ?superiority complex? that you are warning us about.

It is existence or being that is the true miracle of life. We cannot take credit for it--existence is a given, a gift, a grace. We all got it. Now to use it well and wisely. My being as a human is not greater than other beings, say my dog, as a dog. Being is being and being is divine.

Thomas Merton puts it this way: ?The consciousness of being (whether considered positively or negatively and apophatically as in Buddhism) is an immediate experience that goes beyond reflective awareness. It is not ?consciousness of? but pure consciousness, in which the subject as such ?disappears.?? He adds: ?To one who has been exposed to scholastic ontology and has not recovered, it remains evident that the activity of becoming is considerably less alive and dynamic than the act of being.?[2]

Eastern Orthodox scholar David Bentley Hart, in his excellent book, The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss, chastises both Western and Eastern wisdom traditions for neglecting the experience of being. He criticizes contemporary religion for forgetting a God of being and offering instead superficial ersatz notions and projections whether of a theistic or atheistic bent.

The real miracle among us is the miracle of being and shame on us for taking it for granted or forgetting it.

So before dashing off and declaring ourselves the ?king of the hill? and the ?summit and even purpose of all creation? we should wake up and smell the roses--and the sun, clouds, rain, supernovas and original fireball that make the roses possible. Aquinas says the most excellent thing in the universe is not the human but the universe itself. In short, we must return to cosmology in preference to all that feeds our collective narcissism as a species. It is the beings that preceded us and nurture us still that make our being possible. Let us cease the chauvinism and become instead grateful for being and therefore grateful for our equality with all beings.

~ Rev. Dr. Matthew Fox Click here to read and share online

About the Author Rev. Dr. Matthew Fox holds a doctorate in spirituality from the Institut Catholique de Paris and has authored 32 books on spirituality and contemporary culture that have been translated into 69 languages. Fox has devoted 45 years to developing and teaching the tradition of Creation Spirituality and in doing so has reinvented forms of education and worship. His work is inclusive of today?s science and world spiritual traditions and has awakened millions to the much neglected earth-based mystical tradition of the West. He has helped to rediscover Hildegard of Bingen, Meister Eckhart, Thomas Aquinas. Among his books are Sins of the Spirit, Blessings of the Flesh, Transforming Evil in Soul and Society, A Way To God: Thomas Merton?s Creation Spirituality Journey, Meister Eckhart: A Mystic-Warrior For Our Times and Confessions: The Making of a Postdenominational Priest

A new school, adopting the pedagogy Fox created and practiced for over 35 years, is opening in Boulder, Colorado this September. Called the Fox Institute for Creation Spirituality it is being run by graduates of his doctoral program and will offer MA, D Min and Doctor of Spirituality degrees. With young leaders he is launching a new spiritual (not religious) "order" called the Order of the Sacred Earth (OSE) that is welcoming to people of all faith traditions and none and whose 'glue' is a common vow: "I promise to be the best lover of Mother Earth and the best defender of Mother Earth that I can be."

------------------------- [1] See Matthew Fox, Passion for Creation: The Earth-Honoring Spirituality of Meister Eckhart (Rochester, Vt: Inner Traditions, 2000), Sermon Five: ?How All Creatures Share an Equality of Being,? 91-101. [2] See Matthew Fox, A Way To God: Thomas Merton?s Creation Spirituality Journey (Novato, Ca: New World Library, 2016), 237f.

Bishop John Shelby Spong Revisited

2000 Deaths Later, the Time Has Come to Render to Caesar His Due!

Essay by Bishop John Shelby Spong on November 2, 2005

A well-known and oft-quoted verse in Matthew?s Gospel portrays Jesus, responding to a question designed to trap him between competing loyalties. Where does the line fall between what one owes to God and what one owes to the State? To this question Jesus responded, ?You render to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and to God that which belongs to God.? His words suggested that the distinction was clear, that there were no gray areas. That is hardly ever the case.

Christianity has wrestled with these dual loyalties over the centuries in very different political settings. At the beginning of the Common Era, Christians were persecuted by the State and as a consequence worshiped in the hiddeness of the catacombs. To be a Christian in that era was to be guilty of a capital offense. By the time the 13th century had arrived the roles were reversed as Christianity dominated the State; seating, removing and excommunicating kings. Christian leaders at that time persecuted those deviating from accepted Christian understandings.

Then there were the more confused times, mostly post-Renaissance, when Church and State lived in a poorly defined, ambiguous relationship. That is the situation today in the Western World. Europe is now a secular society in which the Church has been marginalized, while in the United States, religion has experienced a rebirth of zeal, and seeks to force a particular world-view on the people of this nation. The Federal Government, for example, now funds ?Faith-based initiatives.? Catholic Bishops threaten to deny communion to Catholic politicians unless they promise to impose Catholic sexual values on the country?s population. A president nominates one to the Supreme Court because she is ?an evangelical Christian.? Strangely, however, this same president lectures the people of Iraq on how inappropriate it would be for them to adopt a constitution that would place a fundamentalist Islamic regime into power.

?Render to Caesar? has been used historically, to support the state?s power of taxation, to affirm a lofty patriotism and to assert one?s loyalty to one?s country. After all, Paul does say in Romans that we are ?to be subject to the higher authority, since all authority is of God.?

I, for one, do feel I owe my country a great deal. I relish the freedom that Americans enjoy and the ideals for which this country stands. I think the taxes I pay to my government are still the best bargain in my budget. Yes, of course, I am aware that not all of our tax dollars are spent wisely. ?Pork? fed to voters back home is the lifeblood of politics. This nation?s lawmakers have been known to authorize the financing of a bridge in Alaska that goes nowhere. Government waste, and sycophants who feed regularly at the public trough, are facts of life. Even when these things are taken into account, however, I still believe that the freedom and liberty this country provides, its strength that guarantees our peace is worth everything I pay in taxes. I do not agree with my friend Fox News? Bill O?Reilly, that the money I make is rightly mine and that taxes are the government?s confiscation of what is my own. Taxes, I believe, are the payment that I am called upon to make for the privilege of enjoying life in this great nation. If that is what ?Render to Caesar? means, then I am prepared to do so and joyfully.

There is, however, much more to this admonition than just that. I also believe it is my duty as a Christian to bear a public witness against policies that ?Caesar? adopts when these policies violate all that I consider holy. In the Judeo-Christian tradition that is traditionally the role of the prophet. When Israel?s religion was co-opted by the King, it was the prophets who called their King to accountability. Prophecy had nothing to do with predicting the future; it had everything to do with speaking uncomfortable truth inside the citadels of political power.

I consider a man named Nathan to be the father of the prophetic movement in Israel. This man stood before King David, armed only with a sense of the rightness of the moral order, and accused him of being guilty of both an adulterous relationship with a woman named Bathsheba and the subsequent murder of her husband Uriah. When Nathan described the King?s immoral behavior in a parable, which caused the King to think he was describing another citizen of his realm, the King was irate and said that the man who had done what had Nathan related must surely be put to death. In one of the most dramatic moments in the entire biblical story, Nathan looked straight into King David?s eyes and said, ?You are the Man!? That is the supreme biblical illustration of what it means to ?Render to Caesar that which is due to Caesar.? We owe the Caesars in every generation a call to truth when truth is violated; a call to responsibility when incompetence is displayed and a call to morality when evil is rampant. I do not want a religious state, but I do want a state in which the voice of religious judgment can still be heard.

My current head of state, my Caesar, took this nation into a war in Iraq that has now cost the lives of 2000 of our youngest and most patriotic citizens. It has cost this nation?s armed forces more than 15,000 others who have been wounded, some destined to face life crippled or blind. The suffering and loss of life among the people of Iraq has yet to be told or counted. Billions of dollars have been spent to prosecute this war that will place our children and grandchildren in debt for the balance of their lives. I do not mean to suggest that war is never justified. I am not a pacifist, though I admire the witness of the pacifists among us. In my opinion war is sometimes essential in the defense of life and liberty. The leaders of any government, however, must make that case to its people before the sacrifice that war always brings can possibly be justified. The necessity for this war was said by our Caesar to be that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, that Iraq was developing chemical and biological weapons, and that Iraq was building a nuclear arsenal. None of these things were true. In his State of the Union address in 2003 our President informed this nation that British Intelligence had learned of an Iraqi purchase from Niger of a substance called ?yellow cake,? needed in the development of nuclear weapons. The Central Intelligence Agency knew at the time that this was not so, and members of this administration would soon move to punish those who countered their false version of ?truth.? The people of this nation were assured that our armed forces would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators. Three years later this claim is patently not so. Our Caesar, standing on an aircraft carrier dressed in full battle gear announced in May of 2003, ?our mission is accomplished.? More people would die after that victory announcement than had died before it was made. This war was necessary, our leaders stated, because Iraq housed, trained and supported the terrorists who attacked us on 91l. No such connection has ever been documented.

In the worst-case scenario, we have an administration in the United States that has deliberately lied to the people. In the best-case scenario we have an administration so inept that it does not recognize the truth. There is no other alternative.

This nation, led by this President, has also refused to treat enemy prisoners according to the provisions of the Geneva Agreement. Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib now stain the national soul. This inhumane treatment goes unpunished to this day except for a few enlisted personnel who could hardly have set this tone without higher approval. Supporters of these methods of torture including the Vice-President and the Secretary of Defense, say that this treatment is necessary because of who the terrorists are. To this self-serving explanation Senator John McCain, who himself knows something about what it means to be an inhumanely treated prisoner of war, replied ?This is not about who they are, it is about who we are!? While calling on members of our armed services to make the ultimate sacrifice, this administration has asked sacrifices of no one else. Perhaps that will change this winter when the poor begin to pay war-inflated prices to heat their homes. The oil industry, so closely allied with this administration, will not share that sacrifice, however, since it will be too busy counting its record profits.

While all of this is bombarding our consciences, this administration diverts the attention of our people from these great moral issues by playing on fears and prejudices. As members of our armed forces die daily in a war entered without honesty, and from which we do not seem to know how to extricate ourselves with dignity, the national debate concentrates on the position a potential nominee to the Supreme Court might have on gay marriage and the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body!

The time has come for us to ?Render to Caesar? what is appropriate, what is due to Caesar. The prophetic word of judgment must again be heard in the public arena. The ?Nathans? of our day must rise up and speak the ?Word of the Lord? to our Caesar. That ?Word,? it seems to me begins with the 9th Commandment: You shall not bear false witness. It continues: You must not kill or cause others to be killed for inadequate reasons. You must not treat those defined as enemies as if they are not themselves human being made in God?s image. You must not violate everything for which this nation stands by acting contrary to those principles. The enormity of Caesar?s power is best seen in the example Caesar sets for the rest of the world to follow.

Christian voices of this land must now be prepared to render to Caesar the things that are due to Caesar: truth, confrontation, and judgment. Patriotism and national devotion demand it.

When Nathan confronted King David, the King repented, changed his path and went on to greatness. Perhaps if we like Nathan, will render to Caesar that which is due Caesar, something similar will occur. I hope so. If it does then we will recognize that we have also been rendering to God the things that are God?s.

~ John Shelby Spong

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Moving Toward Radical Inclusion- Part 1

Column by Rev. Irene Monroe on July 12, 2018

Radical inclusion must not be intellectualized but instead connected deeply with our need for personal healing which requires us to heal our ?isms.?

Since September 11 America has changed radically. We have become a country where partisan politics rule the day, that we can no longer agree to disagree and shouting matches laced with expletives has taken the place of civil discourse. And this ugliness has imploded on us.

To build a huge tent of radical inclusion, we must challenge ourselves to hear each other and to understand not just our oppressions but those of others. Understanding the intersections of oppression allows us to develop relationships and allies.

?We don?t socialize together. There are very few places where black and white socialize together, which is the basis of relationships and friendships, the basis of understanding,? Earl Fowlkes told the Washington Blade last year, explaining why Pride events are segregated. Fowlkes is executive director of the Center for Black Equity, a national D.C.-based group that advocates for African-American LGBT people and helps organize Black Pride events in the U.S. and abroad.

?And until we start doing that and creating those spaces to do that we?re going to have misunderstandings and a lack of sensitivity toward issues of race.?

We must address deep-seated biases that impede authentic, respectful and enriching relationships as a Christian body. I am reminded of Paul?s letter to the Galatians in chapter 3 verse 28 where he wrote: ?There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female for we are all one in Christ Jesus.?

But the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., reminds us that ?it is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is eleven o?clock on Sunday morning.? We see that still in 2018.

Segregated churches began in the 1800?s. Richard Allen, born in 1760 in Philadelphia, was the slave of a Quaker master. As a free black in the 1780?s, he converted to Methodism and became an itinerant Methodist preacher. Allen could not sit in the all-white historic St. George?s Methodist Church. In 1797 Richard Allen founded Mother Bethel African Methodist Church, the first black Methodist Church in Philadelphia, and in 1816 Richard Allen led African Methodists into a separate denomination after many years of struggle against white control. The African Methodist Episcopal Church is now the oldest black denomination in this country.

Radical inclusion is an ongoing process that allows us to see, along this troubling human timeline, those faces and to hear those voices in society of the damned, the disinherited, the disrespected, and the dispossessed. And radical inclusion can only begin to work when those relegated to the fringes of society can begin to sample what those in society take for granted as their inalienable right. And sometimes for that to happen, it must start with Christians who understand the biblical mandate in Matthew 25:35 where Jesus said: ?For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in.?

With today?s nativist spirit of patriotism and isolationist rhetoric to ?Make America Great Again,? we close our doors and heart to refugees. Evangelical Christians, in particular, fail to see Jesus and his parents, Mary and Joseph, were Middle Eastern refugees. Soon after Jesus?s birth Mary and Joseph fled with their newborn to Egypt as refugees fleeing from violence, as undocumented immigrants crossing the border from Mexico into the U. S. are today. And oddly, this isolationist rhetoric fails to recognize that the first group of settlers in America were refugees- the Pilgrims

In ?Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center,? African American cultural critic bell hooks states that she begins her analysis at the margin because it is a space of radical openness, and it gives you an oppositional gaze from which to see the world, unknown to the oppressor. It is at the margin where you can see injustice being done. It is not only a site where you can honestly critique the oppressive structures in society that keeps us wounded as a people, but it is also a site that can heal us as a people ? both the oppressed and the oppressor.

In other words, it is not enough only to look outside ourselves to see the places where society is broken. It is not enough to talk about institutions, churches, and workplaces that fracture and separate people based on race, religion, gender and sexual orientation, to name a few.

We must also look at the ways we as an individual and a community are both the oppressed and the oppressor. We must look at ways that we manifest these bigotries, how we are the very ones who uphold and are part of these institutions and workplaces. Often, we find that these institutions and workplaces are broken, dysfunctional and wounded in the very same ways that we are. And the structures we have created are mirrors not of who we want to be, but who we sadly really are.

We cannot heal the world if we have not healed ourselves. So perhaps the most significant task, and the most challenging work we must do first, is to improve ourselves. And this work must be done in relationship with our justice work in the world.

In ?The Old Man and the Sea,? Ernest Hemingway said that the world breaks us all, but some of us grow strong in those broken places. Jesus invites us to become strong in our broken places ? not only to mend the sin-sick world in which we live in, but also to mend the sin-sick world that we carry around within us. And we can only do that if we are willing to look both inward and outward, healing ourselves of the bigotry, biases and the demons that chip away at our efforts to work toward justice and diversity in our churches.

I know that the struggle against racism is only legitimate if I am also fighting anti-Semitism, homophobia, sexism, and classism ? not only out in the world but also in myself. Otherwise, I am creating an ongoing cycle of abuse that goes on unexamined and unaccounted.

When suffering is understood as an ongoing cycle of abuse that goes on unexamined and unaccounted for, we can then begin to see its manifestation in systems of racism, sexism, classism, and heterosexism in our everyday lives. With a new understanding about suffering and how it victimizes the innocent and its aborts the Christian mission of inclusiveness, Jesus? death at Calvary invites a different hermeneutic than its classically held one.

As an instrument for execution by Roman officials during Jesus? time, the cross?s symbolic nature and its symbolic value can both be seen as the valorization of suffering and abuse, especially in the lives of the oppressed.

For those of us on the margins, a Christology mounted on the belief that ?Jesus died on the cross for our sins? instead of ?Jesus died on the cross because of our sins? not only exalts Jesus as the suffering servant, but it also ritualizes suffering as redemptive. While suffering points to the need for redemption, suffering in and of itself is not redemptive, and it does not always correlate to one?s sinfulness. For example, the belief that undeserved suffering is endured by faith, and that it has a morally educative component to it makes the powerful insensitive to the plight of others, and it forces the less powerful to be complacent to their suffering ? therefore, maintaining the status quo.

Trans issues in our churches are not addressed enough. However, trans activism is taking afoot in DignityUSA, an organization that focuses on LGBTQ rights and the Catholic Church. And their voices want to be heard in Catholic dioceses across the country that will eventually inform and impact the Vatican. They must be heard in our Protestant churches, too. Of the many breakout sessions at the DignityUSA conference in 2017, I wished Pope Francis could have sat in on ?Trans Catholic Voices,? because his transphobic pronouncements have been hurtful. Francis compared transgender people to nuclear weapons. His reason is that transgender people destroy and desecrate God?s holy and ordained order of creation.

?Let?s think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings,? Francis stated in 2015 in an interview with the National Catholic Reporter ?Let?s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.?

During the ?Trans Catholic Voices? breakout season an African American transwoman pointed out that Francis statements about transpeople deny them of basic human dignity and perpetuates violence against them. The life expectancy for black trans is 32 years old.

In her closing remarks, the African American transwoman in ?Trans Catholic Voices? asked for help from advocates and allies in the room that nearly brought me to tears.

?Trans lives are real lives. Trans deaths are real deaths. God works through other people. Maybe you can be those other people.?

As Christians, we fail to realize that our gift and our struggle are that we are a diverse community within ourselves, and our diversity should not dilute our commitment and love toward one another, but rather our diversity should teach us more about its gift of complexity, and by extension teach the larger society.

The Kwanzaa principle of Umoja- unity-must take root in our self-understanding of who we are and what we decide to be as both a people and a Christian community. In understanding the interconnectedness between himself as the individual and himself as the community, African historian John Mbuti said, ?I am because we are; and since we are, therefore, I am.?

We must cure ourselves of our indifference to each others? oppressions. As a community, we must all pitch in. The belief among us that one oppression ? ours ? is more significant than another persecution sets up a hierarchy of oppression and keeps us fighting. The moral and spiritual challenge before us is that united we can stand as a Christian community or divided we can fall as a petty people.

Our job, therefore, is to remember that our longing for social justice and radical inclusion is also inextricably tied to our longing for personal healing.

~ Rev. Irene Monroe Click here to read online and to share your thoughts

About the Author

The Reverend Monroe is an ordained minister. She does a weekly Monday segment, ?All Revved Up!? on WGBH (89.7 FM), a Boston member station of National Public Radio (NPR), that is now a podcast, and a weekly Friday commentator on New England Channel NEWS (NECN). Monroe is the Boston voice for Detour?s African American Heritage Trail, Guided Walking Tour of Beacon Hill: Boston?s Black Women Abolitionists (Boston) ? Detour

Monroe?s a Huffington Post blogger and a syndicated religion columnist. Her columns appear in cities across the country and in the U.K, Ireland, Canada. Monroe writes a column in the Boston home LGBTQ newspaper Baywindows, Cambridge Chronicle, and Opinion pieces for the Boston Globe.

Monroe stated that her ?columns are an interdisciplinary approach drawing on critical race theory, African American, queer and religious studies. As an religion columnist I try to inform the public of the role religion plays in discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people. Because homophobia is both a hatred of the ?other ? and it?s usually acted upon ?in the name of religion,? by reporting religion in the news I aim to highlight how religious intolerance and fundamentalism not only shatters the goal of American democracy, but also aids in perpetuating other forms of oppression such as racism, sexism, classism and anti-Semitism.? Her papers are at the Schlesinger Library at Radcliffe College?s research library on the history of women in America. Click here to visit her website.

Question & Answer

Q: By Kevin Has humankind invented God to look after life after death? One can say this in connection with many of the Gods in the Bible and elsewhere in man?s evolution, but is there a Creator of the Universe? If so, after studying the cosmos, one must conclude that it must be entirely different from what we have assumed, so far. If so, this might explain why we have produced such a cruel world with most of us thinking only of our own survival. But, again, there are so many examples of selflessness and good!

A: By Toni Reynolds

Dear Kevin,

I think there is something of a God vs. Science question beneath the ones you?ve posed.

I do think that humans created stories, and rituals to articulate their experiences of/with God. All in attempt to better understand their relationship to their experiences. I am not convinced that humans invented God, most definitely not just so that God could oversee the afterlife. Through those rituals and applications of the stories, I think the civilizations before ours were deciding about the intricate ways in which God works here and out there in the cosmos you speak of. In these ways we got many of the stories found in the Bible as recorded observations from generations as they studied their relationship to God and the people around them. Today, we are more comfortable using the framework of science to explain and relate to phenomena. Experientially, I think the authors of religious stories had a similar project to yours and simply used a different toolbox to work out potential answers.

I don?t quite know what to conclude about the Creator after a study of the cosmos. It seems to me that even among the specialists there is quite a range of conclusions to be drawn about such divine architecture?I would love to know more about what you conclude yourself, as well as how that conclusion informs the way you see the world at work on any given day.

The unknown details of the Creator don?t shift my thoughts when it comes to your final piece about the production of cruelty in our world. When bad things happen it can be easy to say, ?what a cruel world we live in? without interrogating the ways we are organized and, therefore, enabling or altogether creating the catastrophes we recognize as ?cruel?. Though God has made this world, and us in it, I do not think God should get credit for making or even allowing the evils we experience and perpetuate. We are creators here too. We are not separate from God; blame can?t go on one side and us, blameless on the other. Our decisions have consequences and we can no longer shove the responsibility into the hands of God and fain ignorance. God cannot force us to act in accordance with the rest of nature--partnering with other organisms to live symbiotically. As humans we get to choose to do that, it is no fault of the Creator when we don?t. We can make a better world than this.

If there is a creator God, and I truly think there is, I imagine that creator God is wondering how we could stray so far off the pattern of creation, blame God for the woes, and seriously expect tomorrow to be better without changing our bad habits.

You are right, there are so many examples of selflessness and goodness. I hope we can grow those examples so that they become general traits of society, instead of just fringe examples.

With you in making more examples of goodness,

~ Toni Reynolds Click here to read and share online

About the Author

Minister Toni Anne Reynolds is committed to singing flesh onto the bones of the Christian tradition by incorporating recently found texts of the ancient world into liturgy, sermons, and poetry. Toni?s Christianity forms a holy trinity with the psychological medicine of Tibetan Buddhism and the eternal Life found in Yoruba traditions. Balanced in an eclectic faith and focused in theology, Toni?s ministry offers a unique perspective on life, theology, and spirituality.

Bishop John Shelby Spong Revisited

Troy D. Perry - One of God's Original Saints

Essay by Bishop John Shelby Spong November 9, 2005 It all began on October 6, 1968. On that day, twelve people gathered in a house in Los Angeles in response to an advertisement in a four-page magazine for homosexuals called ?The Advocate.? This ad was addressed to gay men and lesbians who might want to be a part of a Christian Church in which they did not have to hide. The advertisement, signed by the Rev. Troy D. Perry, gave a specific address where this first service of worship would take place. Of the twelve who gathered on that date, two were a heterosexual couple, the other ten were homosexuals. One was African American, one Hispanic; seven were males and five were females. That was the founding moment for what came to be called The Metropolitan Community Church, which now has 330 congregations located in 22 countries. Troy D. Perry, then a 28-year old Pentecostal preacher, is now a world figure, the recipient of numerous honorary degrees, a person from whom presidents and presidential candidates have sought advice, a friend of Desmond Tutu and a religious leader invited to meet with John Paul II on one of his visits to the United States. On October 30, 2005 in the National Cathedral of the Episcopal Church in Washington. D.C., the place from which presidents have been buried, Troy Perry?s successor, The Rev. Nancy Wilson, was installed as the second Moderator of the Worldwide Fellowship of The Metropolitan Community Church. That setting and transition was in itself symbolic of the remarkable journey made by this incredible man, whose story needs to be told and whose contribution to the life of the Christian Church needs to be recognized.

Troy Perry was born in Tallahassee, Florida, in 1940, the oldest in what was to be a family of five children. His mother was a Southern Baptist; his father a member of the Pentecostal Church of God, though that membership might have been compromised by his father?s profession. He was, what we called in the South in those days, ?a bootlegger,? one who made illegal whisky available to those who were willing to pay for this service. Even as a young child, Troy was deeply drawn to the church and yearned to be a preacher. In Southern evangelical circles, the call to preach was far more important than any academic preparation designed to equip one for that duty. It was quite enough to be ?open to the Spirit.? Troy was a gifted boy who spoke well and by the age of 13 he had achieved a reputation of some significance. He preached to his classmates before school every Wednesday with more than a little interest being expressed by the crowds of students and faculty that gathered. Soon, he was given a preaching license by the Southern Baptists and became known in his expanding Bible Belt orbit of North Florida, Alabama and South Georgia as ?the Teen-Aged Evangelist.?

Like so many people of that era in the South, Troy had no idea what a homosexual was but he knew he had attractions toward other males his age. Fearing that there was something wrong with him, he consulted a written source provided by his church, which informed him that homosexuals were ?sick people who wore dresses and molested children.? Since neither was true of him, he breathed a sigh of relief. Later when his fears did not go away, he turned to a Pentecostal preacher and was told that all he had to do was to get married and his fantasies would disappear. Troy responded by marrying that man?s 18-year-old daughter. It lasted five years and produced two sons. When the marriage ended, Troy went into the army. Vietnam was to be his destiny. As part of his medical examination, he was asked to check whether or not he had ?any homosexual tendencies.? The question, he said, came right after cancer and tuberculosis. He checked ?yes.? Nonetheless, he was taken in, given top security clearance and became a computer expert. He served well, was given an honorable discharge and began to work for Sears. In time, he became a division manager. However, his heart still drew him toward his pastor?s calling, so back to being a Pentecostal preacher he went. By this time, however, he was quite sure he was a homosexual and had had gay liaisons. The church he was serving, however, was quite sure that homosexuality was sinful, depraved behavior. One survived in that atmosphere only by being dishonest. Hiding never works and Troy was discovered, banished from that church and his license to preach revoked. It was for him a moment of great despair. With the help of his first partner he coped with that rejection. When that relationship broke up, his depression was so deep that he slashed his wrists in a suicide attempt that failed. From somewhere, he says, in that moment of darkness, he found an overwhelming sense of God?s love for him. That, he concluded, was the heart of the Gospel ? God loves me. He noticed when he read the Bible that even those who forsook, denied, betrayed, tortured and crucified Jesus were still the beloved of God. Aided by this conviction he began to form a new consciousness. His logic went like this: God loves me. I am gay. Therefore God must love gays. ?The Lord is my shepherd, he knows I?m gay? became his theme. He still felt a great desire to preach but the churches with which he was familiar were not open to him in his new found honesty. Their fear and hostility toward homosexual people expressed itself in mistaken attempts to turn them into heterosexuals and, if that failed, to assure them that hell was their destiny. Troy understood that sexual orientation is not a choice for anyone; it is part of our identity to which we awaken. Mental health begins, he believed, in self-acceptance not self-rejection. So coming to the conclusion that there must be others just like himself who yearned to practice the faith in which they had been reared, Troy asked himself the question that would change his life: Could there be a worship community in the Christian tradition for those who are honest about their homosexuality? That was the moment when he placed the advertisement in ?The Advocate.?

To issue a public call for homosexuals to gather at a specific address was a bold act in 1968. Hate crimes were quite normal in that day. To sign that advertisement with one?s real name and to provide one?s telephone number was thought foolhardy even by Troy?s friends. Having no idea what a vast audience was waiting for this catalyst, he accepted the risk. There are today MCC churches in every major city in America and Canada; some of them bulging at the seams with members. Interestingly enough, their strength is primarily in the South, by which I mean that stretch of states that once constituted the heart of Dixie, from Texas to Florida. The MCC conducts an annual conference each year to which as many as ten thousand are in attendance. Today their pastors are trained in accredited seminaries like The Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, Union in New York City, Harvard Divinity School, the Divinity School of the University of Chicago and the Vancouver School of Theology among others. This Church continues to grow and is beginning to attract young gay people who feel alienated from those churches that condemn what they know they are.

I first met Troy Perry in 1991 when the Episcopal National Convention and the MCC National Conference were both meeting in Phoenix. My book, ?Living in Sin?? had come out in 1988 and had placed me in the national eye since in that book I called for the State to make homosexual unions legal and for the Church to give these unions the blessing we bestow in marriage. I also challenged the Church to be honest about its gay clergy whose name was and is legion. Acting on this conviction, I ordained to the priesthood in December of 1989 America?s first openly homosexual person living in a publicly acknowledged, committed relationship. The hostility I absorbed was overwhelming. Hate mail poured in; abusive telephone calls, even death threats, were plentiful. The House of Bishops in September of 2000 had voted to disassociate themselves from me for this action by a slender 78-74 margin, with two abstentions, one of which was my own. I honestly did not know how to vote on whether or not I wanted to associate with myself! Prior to this vote, I had carried this battle to the airways of this nation with appearances on CBS This Morning, the Phil Donahue Show, the Oprah Winfrey Show, and even Bill Buckley?s Firing Line. Despite the rejecting anger that engulfed me, I felt compelled to see this battle through. When I prepared to go to the General Convention of my Church in1991 in Phoenix, I was sure the debate would be intense and that I would be abused again in speech after speech. When Troy heard that I was in town, he invited me to speak to his National Conference. Christine and I had dinner with him prior to my talk, at which time I could not help but be aware of the heavy security around him. One manifestation of this was his insistence that we ride in separate cars to the hall where his delegates gathered. When we arrived Troy led Chris and me onto the stage, but before any word of introduction had been spoken, the entire assembly rose as one and gave us a sustained, indeed a thunderous, ovation that lasted for ten literal minutes. It was like having all of our wounds bathed with healing love. We stood there teary eyed, taking it all in. If what we had done meant that much to this many, it was worth all the hostility we had absorbed. From that day to this, Troy has been a close friend. We have dinner with him when in Los Angeles. We consult on the phone on various strategies and opportunities and I have spoken in MCC churches in five countries. I was touched when he asked me to speak at his retirement.

Troy Perry made the Church more whole, inclusive and yes more Christian. MCC had to be formed to show the rest of us how unwelcoming we had been to some of God?s children. Troy knew full well that when Christians sang, ?Just as I am without a plea, O Lamb of God, I come,? they had to mean it. He knew that Jesus had said: ?Come unto me all of ye,? not ?some of ye.? I will always be grateful for the existence of The Metropolitan Community Church and for Troy D. Perry, its enormously talented founder and first moderator.

~ John Shelby Spong

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-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at tswegner.net Tue Jul 17 11:36:17 2018 From: tim at tswegner.net (Timothy Wegner) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Completed life of James Moffett Message-ID: >From Mary Laura Jones : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Colleagues, James Moffett, son of Mary Warren and Don Moffett died on July 9 in New York City. Jim owned and was the proprietor of the Great Jones Cafe for 20 years. He was dearly loved by family, co-workers, guests and friends. Jim was born in 1968 in Bryn Mawr, PA. He graduated from New Trier HS in Winnetka and spent two years at Boarding School near Munich, Germany. Jim attended Pomona College in Claremont, California. He worked on Wall Street for 25 years before purchasing the Great Jones Cafe. Jim is survived by his mother, Mary Warren, his brother D.W. Moffett (Crystal), his niece Lilly, his nephew, Harry and his cousins, Dan (Parry) and Steve (Beth) Slattery. A service will be held in Siasconset, MA on Nantucket Island on July 25. His remains will be interred in the Columbarium at 'Sconset Union Chapel. Cards and memorials may be sent to Mrs. Mary Warren Moffett The Admiral at the Lake 929 W. Foster Avenue - Apartment 1115 Chicago, IL 60649 Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 1454 W. Fargo Avenue Chicago, IL 60626 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jul 19 06:57:38 2018 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:57:38 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] =?utf-8?q?7/19/18=2C_Progressing_Spirit=3A__Irene_Monr?= =?utf-8?q?oe=3A_Building_a_=E2=80=9Cbeloved_community=E2=80=9D_is_an_act_?= =?utf-8?q?of_radical_inclusion_-_Part_2=3B_Spong_revisited?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <164b2d4f4e0-c90-b2c9@webjas-vaa240.srv.aolmail.net> View this email in your browser Building a ?beloved community? is an act of radical inclusion - Part 2 Column by Rev. Irene Monroe July 19, 2018 A pall hangs over many Americans since Trump has taken office. One sign of this dark cloud has been an uptick in dystopian novels. Classics like George Orwell?s ?1984?, Aldous Huxley?s ?Brave New World,? Sinclair Lewis?s ?It Can?t Happen Here,? and my favorite, Margaret Atwood?s ?Handmaid?s Tale,? a drama web television hit on ?Hulu? are now all horrifyingly prescient. Our devouring of these tomes is a search for answers to potentially a frightening new normal. While I am nervous where we are in 2018 after an Obama presidency, I am also reminded, however, of MLK and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. My looking back at that era gives me hope to look forward beyond this moment. Martin Luther King, Jr. articulated his dream of wanting every town and city throughout the world ?Building the Beloved Community.? The King Center explains the concept: ?In the Beloved Community, poverty, hunger, and homelessness will not be tolerated because international standards of human decency will not allow it. Racism and all forms of discrimination, bigotry, and prejudice will be replaced by an all-inclusive spirit of sisterhood and brotherhood.? During the time of King?s dream of ?Building the Beloved Community? Southern states had long systematized a peculiar brand of justice with its ?separate but equal? laws that allowed for separate drinking fountains, restrooms, restaurants, hotels, to name a few. The South during the civil rights movement was a place where the entire country could watch African Americans being subdued by blazing-water hoses or being charged by aggressive German shepherds on national television. And at night, when no one was watching, the Ku Klux Klan rode through black neighborhoods to burn their property and/or them, brandishing fire and terror as symbols of white supremacy. However, racism did not just situate itself unabashedly in the South; it, also, tainted life in the North for African Americans, albeit differently and less visible. And, although segregationist practices directly violated the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the federal government exerted little to no effort to enforce these amendments -- in either North or South. For example, Cambridge is my community, but it falls short of King?s dream. Cambridge, proudly dubbed as ?The People?s Republic of Cambridge,? is ranked as one of the most liberal cities in America. And with two of the country?s premier institutions of higher learning -- Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology -- that draw students and scholars from around the world, Cambridge?s showcase of diversity and multiculturalism rivals that of the UN. Cambridge is no doubt a progressive city. However, when you scratch below Cambridge?s surface, there is also liberal racism that is as intolerant as Southern racism. Just like Southern racism that keeps blacks in their place, liberal racism does, too. For example, Cambridge?s liberal ruling class maintains its racial boundaries not by designated ?colored? water fountains, toilets or restaurants, but rather by its zip codes; major street intersections known as squares, like the renowned Harvard Square; and residential border areas that are designated numbers, like Area 4 (now known as the Port) -which was a predominantly black poor and working-class enclave - that is now gentrified by the biotechnology and pharmaceutical boom. Cambridge?s liberal ruling elite exploit these tensions by their claims not to see race until, of course, an unknown black man appears in their neighborhood. Segregation in this city is not only along racial lines but class, too. With Cambridge?s tony enclaves sprinkled with homes at starting prices over a half million dollars, Cambridge has become a city that is predominately white and upper class. Poor working-class whites and white immigrants do not experience the fullness their white skin privilege would abundantly afford them if they too were part of Cambridge?s professional and/or monied class. As Christians, we have to be careful not use scripture to tear us away from building MLK?s concept of the ?beloved community.? For example, Christians like U. S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions like to smugly recite biblical scripture to promulgate their self-righteous acts of discrimination. In defending Trump?s indefensible policy of separating children from their families - even a child while being breastfed - Sessions cited a passage from Apostle Paul?s epistle to the Romans: ?I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order,? Sessions said. ?Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful.? While clearly, Sessions is no biblical scholar evident in his bastardization of Paul?s message, Sessions knows Romans 13 is nonetheless used as an edit to obey authority. The scripture has been used as a text of terror by miscreant thugs in power throughout history: slave owners, Nazi sympathizers, apartheid-enforcers, supporters of Japanese-American internment and loyalists opposed to the American Revolution, to name a few. Christians like Sessions are now trying to apply Romans 13 to present-day issues like abortion, taxes and same-sex marriage. If Apostle Paul were alive today I know he would be apoplectic with rage by how Sessions used his sacred text. Apostle Paul was about building a beloved community, evident in his writing in Ephesians 2: 15, 19-22. The text talks about the ongoing struggle for human acceptance at a difficult time along the human timeline for the Ephesians. The Ephesians were a people of various backgrounds and nationalities. The two largest and warring ethnic groups in this city were the Jews and Gentiles. The temple the Jews and Gentiles attended was a divided place of worship. The inner court of the temple was only opened for the Jews while the outer court was where Gentile visitors were admitted. The wall of partition in the temple symbolized the temple?s system of segregation. When Paul writes in his letter to the Ephesians, ?Jesus abolished the Law with its commandments and rules, to create out of two races one new people in union with himself," Paul is referring to Jesus lifting the legal restrictions that maintained a system of segregation and perpetuated a state of hostility between Jews and Gentiles. When Paul later pens in this epistle ?you Gentiles are not foreigners or strangers any longer? the Gentiles no longer had temporary or limited rights in the community. Gentiles were now allowed every privileged and status the Jews had, like being known as the people of God, and being accepted into the family of God. There was no longer a group of people who were insiders and outsiders, no system of ?separate but equal." The belief was if anyone comes into this temple, no group of people is better than another. In breaking down the wall of partition that existed in the Temple, Paul had not only broken down the hostility between the Jews and Gentiles, but had reconciled both groups to God as one body known as the church. Walls of partition have always existed in our churches. They are never erected as part of the actual physical blueprint of the church, but the walls are built as the result of our spiritual brokenness within the body of Christ. In this present administration, we hear a lot from our president about building ?The Wall? and making "Mexico pay for it." We shake our heads in absolute disbelief. But we build walls in our community, too, and we have and are paying the price of it. For example, I went to see a play recently titled ?Allegiance. ? ?Allegiance? is both a play and a history lesson of the forcible incarceration of 120,000 Japanese-Americans in 10 U.S. internment camps during World War II, and it is a cautionary warning about today. The play is inspired by the true childhood experience of the brilliant and renown George Takei. If you?re a Baby Boomer, you may know Takei as Hikaru Sulu, the chief helmsman of the Starship Enterprise. Today we know Takei as one of the country?s leading LGBTQ activists, especially in the fight for marriage equality. What many of us are now learning about Takei is his childhood memories of being incarcerated in the Japanese internment camps - another shameful time in American history. "I was 5 years old at the beginning of our internment in Arkansas. I remember every school morning reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, my eyes upon the stars and stripes of the flag, but at the same time I could see from the window the barbed wire and the sentry towers where guards kept guns trained on us,? Takei wrote in a New York Times op-ed ?Internment, America?s Great Mistake.? ?Allegiance? is also about the love of family and country, and the deleterious effects racial profiling has on innocent Americans. The play takes you into the harsh day-to-day life of the fictional Kimura family in the internment camps. It reveals some of the daily indignities many Japanese-American families endured - no private bathrooms, housed in horse stables, and if lucky, housed in barracks - in uninhabitable swamplands like Rohwer, AR, and Tule Lake, CA. Sadly, loyalty to the country for Japanese-American males rested solely on their responses to questions on the ?Application for Leave Clearance? form that registered all male citizens of draft age. It was also used for volunteers to serve in an all Japanese-American combat team, which is an essential plot in the play. Their responses - young and old - on the form would seal their family?s fate in the internment camps. And, these two highly divisive questions were designed to achieve this goal: Question 27: Are you willing to serve in the armed forces of the United States on combat duty, wherever ordered? Question 28: Will you swear unqualified allegiance to the United States of America and faithfully defend the United States from any and all attacks by foreign and domestic forces, and forswear any form of allegiance or disobedience to the Japanese Emperor, or any other foreign government, power, or organization? A ?no-no? response to the questions, as the patriarch of Kimura family gave, sent him to one of the harsher and high-security internment camps, which happened to Takei?s family, too. Because topics of race in this country too often is talked about in ?black and white" terms, the history of discrimination against other minority groups gets overlooked. Case in point, the Japanese-American internment is not talked about and not often taught, if at all, in American history books. "Allegiance" is both courageous and dangerous: it speaks truth to power in this xenophobic-stricken political times of building walls, closing borders and banning immigrants of color from ?shithole? countries. Watching the play one can easily see how President Trump?s Executive Order 13769, titled "Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, "referred to as the ?Muslim Ban? is eerily reminiscent of FDR?s 1942 Executive Order 9066. The Order 9006 authorized the immediate incarceration of Japanese-Americans following the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. President Trump?s proclivity for racist remarks comes as no surprise with his comment about building a wall along the U.S.- Mexico border, but I advise Trump read Paul?s letter to the Ephesians in order to ?Make America Great Again.? One wall that Paul tore down was bigotry toward Christians. And in so doing, he was then able to build up his ministry to the Gentiles; and, therefore, build a better church. Paul?s letter to the Ephesians emphasizes the inclusivity of the church as the body of Christ. These letters to the Ephesians are the earliest evidence of the missionary expansion of Christianity because they were circular letters. As circular letters, they were never intended just for one church and its problems, but they were expected to circulate from church to church in the region. Paul?s letter to the Ephesians speaks to us who as Christians must carry on the work of building up the body of Christ by tearing down the existing walls of partition in our churches, communities or anywhere in the world. They remind us that the Christian life is not static but instead requires constant growth. In Paul removing the wall of partition between the Jews and Gentiles in their place of worship, he extends that act to us all by inviting us in communion with one another, so we are not foreigners or strangers any longer. MLK shared his dream of the beloved community. Paul showed us how to build a beloved community. Where does your community measure up? ~ Rev. Irene Monroe Click here to read online and to share your thoughts About the Author The Reverend Monroe is an ordained minister. She does a weekly Monday segment, ?All Revved Up!? on WGBH (89.7 FM), a Boston member station of National Public Radio (NPR), that is now a podcast, and a weekly Friday commentator on New England Channel NEWS (NECN). Monroe is the Boston voice for Detour?s African American Heritage Trail, Guided Walking Tour of Beacon Hill: Boston?s Black Women Abolitionists (Boston) ? Detour Monroe?s a Huffington Post blogger and a syndicated religion columnist. Her columns appear in cities across the country and in the U.K, Ireland, Canada. Monroe writes a column in the Boston home LGBTQ newspaper Baywindows, Cambridge Chronicle, and Opinion pieces for the Boston Globe. Monroe stated that her ?columns are an interdisciplinary approach drawing on critical race theory, African American, queer and religious studies. As an religion columnist I try to inform the public of the role religion plays in discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people. Because homophobia is both a hatred of the ?other ? and it?s usually acted upon ?in the name of religion,? by reporting religion in the news I aim to highlight how religious intolerance and fundamentalism not only shatters the goal of American democracy, but also aids in perpetuating other forms of oppression such as racism, sexism, classism and anti-Semitism.? Her papers are at the Schlesinger Library at Radcliffe College?s research library on the history of women in America. Click here to visit her website. Question & Answer Q: By John What are your thoughts about where progressive Christianity is going from here? In some groups I find it barely different than other evangelical sects, and other expressions seem to feel completely new-age without hardly a remnant of Christianity. A: By Eric Alexander Dear John, I very much understand that perspective. Over the past decade I have seen progressive Christianity trend from a more academically advanced group of people, toward a much broader type of ?Evangelical Lite,? where the core tenets are to lean Democrat, sympathize with gay rights, and reject the idea of an eternal hell. And while that is all good stuff, if one suggests something like the physical resurrection of Jesus as being non-historical, some still struggle with that and want that person to leave Christianity all together. As progressive Christianity has absorbed the Emergent label it has inherited even more of a tension between those two macro factions. Mainly, those who still see Jesus as ontologically unique in divinity in comparison to every other human ever to live, and those who don?t. Those who lean very progressive sometimes feel pushed out and unwelcome within this big tent they founded as their sanctuary from closed-mindedness. And some of those who are less progressive want to draw lines within that sanctuary and ensure that other progressives don?t dismantle Christianity to a point that is uncomfortable to them. I think that path of evolution will continue to take its course. Only time will tell whether progressive Christianity trends toward a huge tent that caters broadly to most left-leaning Jesus followers. Or whether progressive Christianity stays closer to its roots as a theologically progressive leading-edge that champions truth and integrity wherever it may lead. My bet is that the big tent model will prevail, and those who originally labeled as progressive Christians will become more uncomfortable in the growing tent. My hope however is as the new breed of progressives come into the fold they become humbled enough to learn from the veterans who have spent years studying and wrestling with this stuff. And likewise, I hope that those veterans can still see value in the passion that those newer progressive Christians express within their still-somewhat-creedal faith. ~ Eric Alexander Click here to read and share online About the Author Eric Alexander is an author, speaker, and activist. He is a board member at ProgressiveChristianity.org, and is the founder of Jesism, Christian Evolution, and the Progressive Christianity and Politics group on Facebook. Eric holds a Master of Theology from Saint Leo University and studied negotiations at Harvard Law School, and authored the popular children?s emotional health book Teaching Kids Life IS Good. Bishop John Shelby Spong Revisited Women: Religion's Traditional Victims Essay by Bishop John Shelby Spong on November 15, 2005 Have you ever noticed that organized religion has historically been a major force in the oppression of women? Have you ever wondered why? The battle over abortion being waged in America today, with the support of both the Vatican and the religious right is simply the latest chapter in this perennial war. Since ?religion? is assumed by many to be something that is basically good, its negativity toward women is thought of as proper and justified. So the irrationality of sexism is first hard for some to understand and second even harder to banish. So let me begin by establishing the reality of the sexist hostility that permeates religious traditions. Throughout the world, a quick survey will reveal that the more religiously oriented a nation is, the lower the status of women is in that country. In Europe one can document a direct correlation between those countries where people still largely honor and even worship the Virgin Mary and the entrenched second-class status of women in those nations. In most religious systems women are regarded either as less than complete or as actually flawed human beings. In the United States, during the struggle in the early part of the 20th century to amend the constitution to enable women to vote, the primary opposition came from the Christian Church, with the suffrage movement being condemned regularly from most Christian pulpits. The later defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1982 was brought about by the combination of religious forces together with a right wing Republican administration. It is worth noting that the impetus toward equality for women in the Christian West did not begin in earnest until secularism?s rise signaled the decline of religious power. In the Islamic Middle-East the impact of Shariah law on women reflects the same pious hostility by stripping basic human rights from women. Shariah law says that girls can be married at the onset of puberty and that a man may divorce one of his multiple wives by simply saying: ?I divorce you,? in the presence of two male witnesses. The Taliban in Afghanistan acted out these laws with a terrifying severity producing a ?Catch 22? situation for women in that women could not become doctors and no male doctor was allowed to treat Islamic women. In China, where the principal religions were Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism, binding the feet of girls and women developed in response to cultural pressure informed by religious rules. This practice kept women weak, out of power and under male domination. In India, a land shaped primarily by Hinduism the religious custom for centuries called for the widow to throw herself on her husband?s funeral pyre, since the loss of a husband was deemed to be tantamount to a proclamation of the surviving widow?s worthlessness. How did this universal human negativity toward women develop? Why was it endorsed and thus blessed by almost every human religious system the world over? What is there about women in general and women?s bodies in particular that appears to be so threatening to males that they have to employ religion to help in the process of female suppression? These are the questions I would like to raise and address. I begin this quest by looking for clues in our human origins. Human life has been on this planet for no more than two million years and no fewer than one hundred thousand years, depending on how one defines human life. I tend to lean toward the more recent number since full humanity to me requires a brain sufficiently developed to become both self-conscious and self-aware, including the ability to live in the medium of time, which allows us to remember the past and to anticipate the future. It also involves the ability to think abstractly so that sounds can be turned into symbols called words, which in turn enables language to develop. However, there is a huge emotional price that self-conscious, self-aware, time-oriented abstract thinking human beings must pay for these evolutionary advances. That price involves living with chronic unabated anxiety, having to anticipate our own deaths and thus to be forced to wage an unending, but always losing, battle for our own survival. It takes enormous courage to be human and our constant fears force us to seek security in a variety of ways. Our first response is to become deeply tribal in our thinking, since tribal membership gives us a better chance at survival than we have as individuals. The tribe then defines what is needed for survival and forces those definitions on the people. Assigned roles for both men and women are part of that. Tribal religion is always the enforcer of these behavior patterns since it teaches the people to accept our assigned places in this tribal pecking order. That order, we are told, was set, by God. God chose the tribal chief to be God?s earthly ruler. The Divine Right of Kings was born here. In our hard-wired tribal mentality, we learned to fear and to hate those who were strangers with whom we were destined to come into contact periodically. An alien would be outside our organized structures and thus a threat to our tribe. That fear still feeds our xenophobia and our irrational prejudice against those who are different by race, language or physical characteristics. This same value of tribal survival also compelled our ancestors to define women biologically and to reduce them almost universally to a second-class status. Women were clearly recognized as the bearers of life and as those whose lactating skills insured the life of the tribe?s progeny. Those were essential functions for tribal survival but they were not valued in the same way as were strength and speed, which were the male values that assured survival in warfare and success in the hunt. Women, particularly when pregnant or nursing, were liabilities in this survival struggle. Since they needed to be protected and defended, they came to be thought of as childlike, helpless and dependent. So women were taught from the very dawn of civilization that their role had been defined, handed down and circumscribed by God, who made them the way they were. As dependent, second-class creatures their need to be educated was minimized and that in turn caused them in time to be viewed as incapable of learning. A women?s potential was thus effectively muted. The clear law of nature said that women were divinely fashioned to serve the needs of the male for support, sexual pleasure, comfort and the flattery of ego fulfillment. The male was obviously meant to be the dominant member of the species. Tribal religion enforced these survival patterns and explained them in mythological language. The sun was thought of as a symbol of the male deity who lived beyond the sky and who ruled the day. The moon became the symbol of women, smaller, less illuminating, dark and even seductive. The sky, as the abode of the male God brought forth powerful male-like things: thunder, lightening, wind and rain. The earth was seen as passive and feminine. It absorbed the fury of the sky god, received the falling rain that came to be thought of as divine semen sent to impregnate mother earth, causing her to bring forth life. Since the woman was defined as subhuman, it is easy to see how polygamy developed. Powerful men laid claim to many wives. Harems were a fact of life. The woman?s destiny was to go from being subservient to her father to being subservient to her husband. She had few rights. It was her duty to obey the dominant male in her life. Her body belonged to her husband whenever he desired it. In most ancient cultures, the husband had the right to punish his wife even to the point of death. She had no right of appeal since nothing he did to her was a crime. It was inevitable that women, who are also driven by the ultimate human battle for survival, would develop survival skills of their own. They would take the only asset that they possessed that seemed to have value, namely the allure of their bodies and use it to gain some control over their lives. They would flirt, tease, seduce, withdraw, taunt until they achieved power. Since women were relegated to managing the hearth, they developed the intuitive skills required to allow them to live in close interdependent communities, while the males developed the individualistic skills that enabled them to be successful in their quest for food or victory. The stereotypes that still underlie our sexist prejudices were born in this primitive context. The stronger male almost inevitably translated different as inferior and complementary as unequal. To make it even more difficult to escape these survival-imposed definitions, tribal religion almost universally asserted that these patterns were God-given, God-imposed and God-ordered. To question them, to undermine them in any way, to rebel against them was to oppose God and all that was holy. Sexism thus came to be thought of as ?the will of God.? This is why the feminist revolution is today so viscerally opposed by both the Vatican and right wing religious leaders. This is why Pat Robinson can say on the 700 Club: ?The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.? That is why religion has always been a foe of the female struggle for equality. That is why even today, that male-dominated institution we call the Church believes that its leaders have a right to sit in all male circles, wearing the frocks of their religious profession and to pronounce, in the name of a God called Father, what a woman can do with her own body. This is also why organized religion is so viscerally opposed to homosexuality, leading as it does to persecutions, purgings and constitutional amendments. The religious definition of a male homosexual is that he, though a man, condescends to act like a woman. Sexism is a very complex mixed bag of irrational and emotional elements. However, that is where the religious negativity toward women originates. We must embrace this insight first before we can move on to others. ~ John Shelby Spong Announcements The Eckhart at Erfurt Retreat June 16 - 21, 2019 join Matthew Fox and Others for a UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY to study the great medieval mystic MEISTER ECKHART in Erfurt, Germany in the very rooms where he lived and taught and prayed as a Dominican! Our week will consist of body prayer in the mornings followed by teachings and discussions on Eckhart by Matthew Fox; and art as meditation classes in the afternoons. Participants will choose for art as med either ?Moving to Eckhart?s Words? led by dance instructor Meshi Chavez; or ?Dreams and Journaling with Eckhart? led by Jungian therapist and author Steve Herrmann. An optional Process Seminar will be offered daily after art as meditation by Claudia Picardi. Register by October 15, 2018 for special retreat price of $1250. Click here for full details... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From collinsdawn747 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 22:40:33 2018 From: collinsdawn747 at yahoo.com (Dawn Collins) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 05:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: Mamie Tucker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2010072989.1623411.1532410833614@mail.yahoo.com> Although I did not know Mamie we share a 5th City and 4750 connection. I lift up her commitment to the community she served with purpose?and concern. I'm sure she would have made a great friend! God bless her family and friends as they contemplate lasting memories of their loved one. Grace & Peace, Dawn CollinsProud Residentof 5th City '62-'68and EI/ICA 69-82?OE in spirit 82-142014--Present?(and accounted for) We love the Lord because the Lord loved us first.- 1 John 4:19 On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 1:06:19 PM MDT, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue wrote: - From: ML Jones Dear Colleagues,? Mamie Tucker died recently in Chicago. She was in hospice at her daughter Brenda's home in Matteson during the past several months.? Mamie graduated from the Training Inc. on the West Side in the early 1980s. She interviewed to be the ICA Receptionist on the North Side and served faithfully until she retired in 2005.? Mamie was competent, considerate and kind to thousands of people - tenants, agency clients, conference participants and a legion of ICA staff and families entering the 4750 building for 25 years.? Mamie will be remembered fondly by many.? The funeral service will be held on Saturday, July 7 at A.R. Leak Funeral Home? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?18400 S. Pulaski Avenue? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Country Club Hills, Illinois Flowers or remembrances may be sent to the funeral home in memory of Mamie Tucker - care of her daughter Brenda.? Mary Laura Jones Tim, could you please post the above information to the Dialogues?Thank you?? Mary Laura JonesGrants Resource Development Consultant1454 W. Fargo AvenueChicago, IL 60626cell: 773 636-2022mljones2022 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elliestock at aol.com Thu Jul 26 06:24:13 2018 From: elliestock at aol.com (Ellie Stock) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:24:13 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 8/26/18@aol.com, ProgressingSpirit: Sandlin: True Blue Miracle?; Spong revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <164d6c2e32e-c93-21c3@webjas-vae121.srv.aolmail.net> True Blue Miracle? Column by Rev. Mark Sandlin July 26, 2018 I don?t know about you, but it seems to me that reports of bonafide miracles seem to have gone the way of dinosaurs about the time cameras came along ? maybe doubly true since video cameras were invented. (Of course, during the early days of Photoshop we did see a bit of a revival.) I mean to the thinking person in an age of science, miracles like the ones we read about in the Bible are just a difficult concept to buy into. It only takes a quick Google search to find an expert debunking what someone has claimed to be a true miracle. As a matter of fact, it?s easier than that. Netflix currently has a show entitled, ?Derren Brown: Miracle.? The thing is, Mr. Brown is an atheist, mentalist, illusionist, pop philosopher, and debunker of scam artists and mediums. Throughout the show he presents ?miracles? that look very much like those one might find at a tent revival or from certain televangelists. He?s remarkably skilled at replicating the miracles. Possibly the most intriguing section of the show is the faith healing that takes place. Brown fully takes on the persona of a faith healer, shouting, ?We give you the glory, we give you the praise,? and ?Hallelujah.? And he proceeds to heal people of what ails them ? from vision problems to back problems. For good measure, he even tosses in a palm to the person?s forehead and folks falling over backwards just like you?ve problably seen on TV. The thing is he thinks the whole thing is a bunch of hooey. Throughout the show, he talks about how we are constantly telling ourselves stories. Those stories, he says, impact what we can and cannot do. The full reality behind his miracle healings is, of course, much more complicated than that, including heightening a person?s adrenaline as well as a few other tricks. But, the thing that struck me the most was the demonstration of how powerful the stories are that we tell ourselves. Bishop Spong?s latest book, Unbelievable: Why Neither Ancient Creeds nor the Reformation Can Produce a Living Faith Today is put together in a series of theses. Thesis 5 is on miracles. He opens the section saying, ?In a post-Newtonian world, supernatural invasions of the natural order, performed by God or an ?incarnate Jesus,? are simply not viable explanations of what actually happened. Miracles do not ever imply magic.? Considering that a typical Christian would probably tell you that the Bible is chock-full of miracle stories and would associate some degree of magic with them, what do we do with Spong?s statement? Well, let?s start with the reality that the Bible isn?t actually filled to the brim with miracle stories. As Spong points out, the miracle stories are mostly limited to three sets of people throughout the Christian Bible. The first two sets are in the Hebrew Bible, Moses and his successor Joshua, and Elijah and his protege Elisha. Pre-Moses/Joshua? Not so many miracles. Post-Elijah/Elisha? Nope. Which brings us to the Christian Bible and the miracles that we are most familiar with, those performed by Jesus and then his successors, the disciples. What is important to note here is that these are some of the pillars of our faith. These folks are meant to be understood as larger than life. Not only that, the recording of their lives only happened after being passed down verbally for quite some time. Even though the Gospels come first in the New Testament, they are not the first recordings of Jesus. As a matter of fact, most of the places where Jesus is referenced in the rest of the New Testament actually predate the Gospels. An intriguing reality is that they just don?t mention Jesus doing miracles. It?s a bit odd, don?t you think? I mean, if the person you are forming your religion around is capable of performing actual miracles, don?t you think you?d probably want to mention it from time to time? Obviously, if you look to modern Christians who believe that Jesus performed miracles, the answer is a resounding, ?Yes!? But, our earliest recordings of Jesus simply do not. They definitely seem to be late additions to the stories of Jesus. Even more curious is that the miracles that were ultimately credited to Jesus are remarkably similar to those of Elijah and Elisha, and the miracles of Elijah and Elisha are remarkably similar to and build on those of Moses and Joseph. So, what is going on here? As Spong points out, it?s important to understand that in the Jewish tradition these miracles were meant to be understood as ?expressing the reality of [an] invasive, supernatural power designed to meet human needs.? They ?were never intended to be supernatural stories of divine power operating through a human life.? He goes on to say, ?Perhaps we have been defending an idea that even the biblical authors never intended.? As Derren Brown tells us, the stories we tell ourselves are powerful. It stands to reason then that stories as important to us as biblical stories are all the more powerful. For that matter the stories of the largest heroes are probably particularly important. Important enough to tell them in a way that clearly communicates how much larger than life they were. Important enough to even add symbolic meaning to them to ensure we don?t underestimate their importance in our religious heritage. I find Spong?s conclusion to this section of his final book particularly strong and would like to include it fully in his words, ?After centuries of laboring to understand stories that made no sense to us, we now discover that the problem was that we did not know how to read those stories. With this insight, our ability to chart a new reformation has passed another huge obstacle!? He goes on to remind us that, ?The miracles were interpretive signs.? So, there?s no such thing as miracles? Let me share an answer from one of the wise women in my congregation. We have a feedback time after my messages and on a recent Sunday she spoke of the miracle of the rescue in the Thai cave. She talked about being amazed at the sheer number of people that had to come together to make that rescue happen. For her, that was the miracle ? the coming together of so many communities with a focus on rescuing those boys. Frankly, I?m with Albert Einstein on this one, ?There are only two ways to live your life: as though nothing is a miracle, or as though everything is a miracle.? I tend to lean toward the ?everything? on this one. After all, everything we experience is part of our story and stories are powerful things. ~ Rev. Mark Sandlin Click here to read online and to share your thoughts About the Author Rev. Mark Sandlin is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA) from the South. He currently serves at Presbyterian Church of the Covenant. He is a co-founder of The Christian Left. His blog, has been named as one of the ?Top Ten Christian Blogs.? Mark received The Associated Church Press? Award of Excellence in 2012. His work has been published on ?The Huffington Post,? ?Sojourners,? ?Time,? ?Church World Services,? and even the ?Richard Dawkins Foundation.? He?s been featured on PBS?s ?Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly? and NPR?s ?The Story with Dick Gordon.? Follow Mark on Facebook and Twitter @marksandlin Question & Answer Q: By Brandon I came across a video of Bishop Spong saying he doesn't believe in hell. He believes in some kind of life after death, but it doesn't have a thing to do with reward and punishment. The indoctrination of Heaven/Hell has been around as far back as the creation of Zoroastrianism, maybe further. It's all through the bible, whether you pay attention to Hell being mistranslated as Sheol/Hades/Tartarus or Gehenna. Or if you find only that those who won't spend eternity in heaven will only be completely erased from existence. To me, this paints God as either an Ogre that was willing to sacrifice his own son in coercion for your belief in them, or as an infinite being who would give up on you after a single lifetime. I want to ask you, what do you believe will happen in the afterlife? Are we as the human race going to be okay? Should I worry about what's going to happen to me after death? My girlfriend who believes in God but struggles with what to believe in exactly, is she going to be okay? I?m terrified right now, and as one of the very few looking past religious Dogma, I need your help, or at least some insight into what I should be doing, praying for, anything. A: By Rev. Irene Monroe Dear Brandon, Various religious and folkloric traditions speak of an afterlife. One belief in the afterlife refers to an individual?s soul or spirit living beyond the life of their physical body. It is the belief that one?s moral choices and actions in life can result in their soul residing -based on divine judgement - in a place of reward or punishment, known as Heaven or Hell respectively, in Christianity. A soul like Socrates, however, lives in an eternal destiny of Limbo. Because Socrates was born before Christianity, he?s deprived of the purported benefits of Christianity, like the salvific advantages of having faith in Christ. And, according to Dante?s ?Divine Comedy,? a soul can reside in Purgatory, a temporal punishment for sin, representing the penitent Christian life. You?re correct in stating that Spong doesn?t believe in Hell. In the chapter ?Life After Death-Still Believable?? in his new book Unbelievable Spong lays out a cogent argument about the inutility of the concept. ?I have no use for life after death as a tool or method of behavior control. ?The one thing which we are certain, even as we begin this quest, is that the liberalized post-death images of our religious past cannot be resurrected. There is no hell, no heaven, no limbo, no purgatory, no lake of fire, no milk or honey. Those concepts no longer mark our lives.? Spong understands that many religions create theologies with elaborate and fictive narratives of reward and punishment systems as a form of social control, like the human-made Christian concept of Heaven and Hell. Like Spong, I don?t think after death one is likely to go to Heaven or Hell in an afterlife. I do, however, believe in a living hell created by crushing setbacks, grinding poverty, racial, gender, sexual discrimination, and religious profiling (to name a few), that many Americans, like myself, confront and navigate daily. I also concur with Karen Armstrong, a prolific British religion writer and former Catholic nun, that beliefs of an afterlife can distract attention from and to important issues. For me, the belief in an afterlife can create complacency and/or indifference to present social justice issues and crimes against humanity like the Holocaust, American slavery, lynching, and the immigration crisis presently at the U.S. - Mexico border. In the case of enslaved Africans, the belief in an afterlife was passed on to my ancestors as an intentionally Christian theological concept as a form of social control to maintain the status quo of perpetual servitude. The indoctrination of an overjoyed and jubilant afterlife wasn?t to make them better Christian but instead obedient, subservient and God-fearing slaves. For African American slaves, however, the belief in an afterlife was a coded critique of an unfulfilled life denying them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in this life. The belief in an afterlife functioned as an eschatological hope and aspiration that their future progenies would indeed have a fulfilled life that they could only supposedly experience in death. There is a plethora of material supposedly proving the afterlife, like the New York Times bestseller ?Proof of Heaven? by Harvard-trained neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, MD. I feel, however, the concept- real or imagined- can potentially deprive you of living fully present in this life - missing small miracles, random acts of kindness, and the beauty of a sunrise and sunset in a single day. ~ Rev. Irene Monroe Click here to read and share online About the Author The Reverend Monroe is an ordained minister. She does a weekly Monday segment, ?All Revved Up!? on WGBH (89.7 FM), a Boston member station of National Public Radio (NPR), that is now a podcast, and a weekly Friday commentator on New England Channel NEWS (NECN). Monroe is the Boston voice for Detour?s African American Heritage Trail, Guided Walking Tour of Beacon Hill: Boston?s Black Women Abolitionists (Boston) - Detour Monroe?s a Huffington Post blogger and a syndicated religion columnist. Her columns appear in cities across the country and in the U.K, Ireland, Canada. Monroe writes a column in the Boston home LGBTQ newspaper Baywindows, Cambridge Chronicle, and Opinion pieces for the Boston Globe. Monroe stated that her "columns are an interdisciplinary approach drawing on critical race theory, African American, queer and religious studies. As an religion columnist I try to inform the public of the role religion plays in discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people. Because homophobia is both a hatred of the ?other ? and it?s usually acted upon ?in the name of religion,? by reporting religion in the news I aim to highlight how religious intolerance and fundamentalism not only shatters the goal of American democracy, but also aids in perpetuating other forms of oppression such as racism, sexism, classism and anti-Semitism.? Her papers are at the Schlesinger Library at Radcliffe College's research library on the history of women in America. Click here to visit her website. Bishop John Shelby Spong Revisited The Bias Against Women in the Judeo-Christian Tradition Essay by Bishop John Shelby Spong on November 23, 2005 Last week I began an exploration of the origins of that incessant religious negativity toward women. I located its deepest root in the evolutionary process where survival becomes the ultimate self-conscious value that dominates the human psyche. I suggested that part of this survival process involved the definition of the stronger and faster male as superior to the smaller and slower female. It was a definition based on observable biology since women, especially in the last stages of pregnancy and the period of child nursing, had to be dependent. So the primitive tribe organized its life around this observable reality. Since it was not part of the defined role of the woman to think, education for women was not encouraged, which helped to develop the image of the woman as a less intelligent creature who should not be allowed to participate in the decision making processes of the tribe. The woman?s role, in the tribe?s quest for survival, was to be the supporter of the males who protected them. That God created her only for breeding and the ancillary domestic roles became an ingrained idea. In time sacred stories were composed to demonstrate that these realities were in accordance with the will of God, making it inappropriate for any human being to seek to change them. When feminist rebellion against this stereotype finally arose it was perceived to be a rebellion against God. That is what set the stage for most religious systems to be not just anti-female but to be specifically against any attempt to assert woman?s equality. To continue this analysis, I now seek to look at how this bias found expression in the Judeo-Christian tradition. The Bible begins with two contradictory accounts of creation. The opening story of the six-day creation is actually the younger, written in the 6th century BCE while the Jews were in exile in Babylon. In this account human life is made as the final act on the sixth day before God?s Sabbath of rest began. Its primary purpose was to establish for the Jews, the custom and authority of the Sabbath, which was one of the barriers erected to avoid amalgamation with the Babylonians. The second and much older creation story by some 300 years is in Genesis 2:4 ? 3:24. It features Adam, Eve and the Garden of Eden. The major reason this became the primary creation story in Christian history was that Paul quoted it, making it part of the tradition that was destined to become the dominant religious system in the Western world. It behooves us, therefore to look at this account in detail in order to discern in it the tap root for Western Christian patriarchy and sexism. It is surprising how few of us really know the details. In this account, God created first the heavens and the earth. God also created separately every plant and herb before God put them into the earth since that was not yet possible because, as the text says, it had not rained and there was no man to ?till the ground.? However, God remedied that problem by causing a mist to rise from the earth, enabling God to create the first man out of the dust of the earth now made pliable by the mist. The picture in this text is not unlike that of a child making a mud pie. When the man was fully formed, he was still inert but God came down upon that creature in an act of divine mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, breathing into the nostrils of this lifeless form the very breath of God. Since God?s breath, according to this story was the source of life; this was the moment in which the man became ?a living soul.? Next God fashioned a garden in a place called Eden into which God placed this newly formed man. Out of the now moist ground, God then made trees to grow. Some were pleasant to look at. Others produced food to eat. God also placed into the midst of the garden two mysterious trees: one was the Tree of Life; the other was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Four rivers watered the garden, two of which were named the Tigris and the Euphrates, which means that the writers located the Garden of Eden somewhere in present day Iraq. The garden also had within it both gold and onyx. It is not clear why the man needed either gold or onyx but whoever wrote this story knew that gold and onyx were valuable so felt that both must be present in the Garden of Eden. This being done, God placed the man in the garden to till and care for it with permission to eat of the fruit of every tree save one. On pain of death, the man was not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. That, this story asserts, is how human life began. It was very male at its origin, However, the story continues, God perceived that the man was lonely. Perhaps the man complained about that with great frequency, so God decided to ?make him a helper fit for him.? God then inaugurated an almost hilarious process of trial and error seeking to fashion a proper friend for the man. No matter how many creatures God made, none appeared to satisfy the man?s yearning for a friend. One gets the sense that God became frustrated with the divine inability to satisfy the man?s wishes. That explains, according to the author of this story, why there is among the animals and birds so much variety. Some creatures were big like elephants. Some were small like cats and rabbits. Some had straight tails, others had curly tails, and still others had no tails. No matter how many varieties of beast and bird God fashioned, none satisfied the man. Adam, demonstrating the human claim to dominance, defined each creature by naming it, but among them all, the Bible asserts, was not found ?a helper fit? for the man. This primitive and obviously imperfect God must have said something like: ?Adam, you are very hard to please!? To which Adam must have responded: ?But, God, how can I describe what I want if I have never seen it?? So, the story says, God reverted to another plan. This time, God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, probably using an anesthesia that would not be discovered for thousands of years. With Adam thus out of it, God opened his chest, removed a rib and then closed the patient up. What kinds of sutures were used was not disclosed. With that rib, God fashioned the woman. As one feminist biblical scholar observed, ?it was childbirth as only a male who had never had a baby could have imagined it!? God stood this newly formed woman before Adam displaying all of her charm and feminine pulchritude, while gently bringing Adam out of his deep sleep. One gets the impression that Adam?s eyes bulged out of his sockets as if on coiled springs at his first viewing. The King James Bible records Adam as having said, ?This is now bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.? It is a rather calm translation for what was in Hebrew a slang expression. It might have been more accurately rendered, ?Hot diggety, Lord, you finally did it.? The Bible closes this ancient story by saying that the man named the woman Eve demonstrating male authority over the woman and accepted the divinely appointed destiny to grow up to the point where he will leave his parents and cling to his wife. In the King James English, the woman was designed by God primarily to serve the man, to meet his needs. Unlike the man, the woman was not thought to have been made in God?s image. She was higher than the animals but always meant to be subject to the authority of the lordly male. That is the oldest and most influential definition of a woman in the Bible. Because she existed for the man?s pleasure, she soon came to be thought of as his property. Polygamy in the Bible was justified on this basis. A man could have as many wives as he could afford. Harems were nothing but a sign of wealth. Even the Ten Commandments carried with them this degrading definition of women as property. The 10th Commandment ordered the people not to covet their ?neighbor?s wife (Ex. 20:17).? Note there is no injunction in any book of the Bible against anyone coveting a neighbor?s husband! That appears to be proper; one just cannot covet another?s wife. Husbands were not property, but wives were and this commandment was about property rights. The neighbor, who is clearly a male, has his property listed in order of its perceived value: his house, his wife, his slaves, his ox, his ass and his other possessions. One wonders if those who want to put the Ten Commandments in our courtrooms realize that, literally interpreted, 50% of the human race would become the property of the other 50%. Religious emotion covers up so many facts of history. The same definition of women as property is reflected in the 7th Commandment against adultery. People need to realize that the style of marriage present when the prohibition against adultery was promulgated was polygamy. A man could have as many wives as he could afford. Some 300 years after Moses was said to have received the Commandments on Mt. Sinai, King Solomon had one thousand wives. What does adultery mean when one man owns a thousand women? If with a thousand wives you still have some need to commit adultery, you do have a problem! I suspect it is not even a moral problem. When one couples this with the fact that a sexual liaison with an unmarried woman was not considered adultery but rather a crime against the property of that woman?s father, the operative biblical definition of a woman becomes clear. Her journey out of this biblically imposed definition was destined to take centuries. The echoes of this ?God imposed? prejudice still are heard in Christian churches in the 21st century. Those churches that still refuse to allow women to become priests and bishops do so, they say, because a woman cannot represent God before the altar. The woman is defective in that she is not created in the image of God. Other churches will not allow women to become senior pastors since the Bible, they say, forbids a woman from having authority over a man. How long, one wonders will a new generation of women tolerate this sexist ignorance? When will some appropriate person say: ?What the church calls a ?sacred tradition? is nothing more than a lingering prejudice that no living institution in the 21st century can continue to tolerate. Where do we go from here? Stay tuned. ~ John Shelby Spong Announcements Walking on Sacred Earth Online eCourse August 6th - 31st, 2018 ?Walking on Sacred Earth? provides guided opportunities for deepening our intimacy with the natural world. When we see all of life as sacred, we also experience ourselves as part of the web of life in relationship with all beings. We are encouraged to establish a respectful connection with the Earth community so that we can move into a just and sustainable way of being on the planet. This is the goal of the movement known as eco-spirituality. Click here for more information/registration. Copyright ? 2018 ProgressiveChristianity.org, All rights reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paula.philbrook at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 10:08:59 2018 From: paula.philbrook at gmail.com (Paula Philbrook) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] On behalf of the Roberts Family In-Reply-To: <1567a5cdf06-b69-8d5@webprd-m105.mail.aol.com> References: <1567a5cdf06-b69-8d5@webprd-m105.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: *Dear ICA Family it is with a heavy heart that we inform you of the passing of Sharyn Marie Roberts in Asheville NC, on July 19th. Born September 7th, 1944 in Jackson Michigan, Sharyn graduated from St. Marys High School in Lansing MI, and later earned a degree in Journalism from Michigan State University. After working as a reporter for the Lansing State Journal, Sharyn moved to Detroit to teach high school Journalism teacher at the height of the civil rights movement, where she played an active role in helping students voice their concerns, both in the classroom and on the streets. Sharyn joined the ICA in 1970 while in Detroit, where she met her husband of 45 years, Alvin Roberts. From 1974 - ?76 the two were deployed to Samoa, before moving to Alaska, for four years, living first in Anchorage, and later in the Athabaskan village of Minto. In 1980 Sharyn and her family moved to Rochester NY and then on to Chicago. In 1982, their final deployment took Sharyn and her family to Nairobi Kenya, and ultimately to a development project in Mugumoini. In 1984 they returned to Chicago, and eventually left the ICA in 1986 to start a retreat and conference center in Western Michigan called The Haven. Sharyn is survived by her husband Alvin, and their children, Helen, Jean, Wayne, Jeff, Dan and Andrew. A funeral and memorial service is scheduled for Sat. Aug. 11th at 11:00 am. Saints Cornelius and Cyprian Church in Leslie, MI. Cards and Condolences can be sent to : Alvin Roberts20 Mt. Pisgah Church Rd.* *Candler, NC 28715* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: