[Dialogue] Easter Monday 2017

Mon Apr 17 08:25:53 PDT 2017

There is a line, in the 5th City Video, by Harold Washington while he is dedicating the shopping center.   Something happens off camera -- a bus or something goes by -- causing him to stop and laugh, and he shakes his head and comments, "Nothing like being Mayor of Chicago!"
Thanks for the Easter posts -- Nothing like being on these wedgeblade listserves
. . . and a quote read by the lead musician yesterday:   Is it any wonder people find it hard to believe in the resurrection of Jesus if we don't throw our hats in the air? Is it any wonder we find it hard to live the resurrection if we don't do it exuberantly in our worship?"

-NT Wright Surprised By Hope
Jim Wiegel

 Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 4:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] An Easter gift
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Thank you for this witness, George. Among the many wisdom teachers, Jesus, =
Buddha, Mohammad and many more, you are included.=C2=A0 Loving the continua=
tion image of resurrection. Helps to embrace the sermons on promises of ete=
rnal life. Peace, Judi White
On Apr 16, 2017 6:53 PM, "George Holcombe via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>=
 wrote:

In our service this Easter morning at a Presbyterian church we sang a hymn =
written by a Methodist (Jesus Christ is Risen Today) and a closing hymn by =
a Muslim (Morning Has Broken) and following the Scripture reading of John 2=
0 this quote (below). A profound sermon, and a fuller understanding of the =
idea of resurrection.Thich Nhat Hang, Zen monk"I think there's a way of tra=
ining ourselves in order not to become the victim of fear and grief- that i=
s to look deeply into ourselves and to see that we are made of non-self ele=
ments. And when we look around ourselves, we can recognize ourselves in the=
 non-self elements, like a father looking at his children can see himself i=
n his children, can see his continuation in his children. So he is not atta=
ched to the idea that his body is the only thing that is him. He's more tha=
n his body.He is inside of his body but he is also at the same (time) outsi=
de of his body in many elements. And if we have the habit of looking like t=
hat we will not be the victim of our attachment to one form of manifestatio=
n, and we will be free. And that freedom makes happiness and peace possible=
.. Other than meditation is there any specific practicer that can help you c=
ome to this understanding?Yes. The Buddha advised us to bear in mind that e=
verything is impermanent, that nothing has an absolute entity that remains =
the same. And when we keep that insight in mind, we can see more deeply int=
o the nature of reality, and we will not be locked in the notion that we ar=
e only this body, this life span is the only life span we have. In fact, be=
cause nothing can be by itself alone, no one can be by himself or herself a=
lone, everyone has to inter-be with envy one else. That is why, when you lo=
ok outside, around, you can see yourself. And when you look into yourself, =
you can see the outside. So that is a training.=E2=80=9D
George Holcombe
geowanda1 at me.com

"Whatever the problem, community is=C2=A0the answer.=C2=A0 There is no powe=
r greater=C2=A0than a community discovering what it=C2=A0cares about." =C2=
=A0Margaret Wheatley

On Apr 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wr=
ote:
>From Doris Hahn -=C2=A0
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eue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div d=
ir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Judi White via OE <oe at lists.wedg=
eblade.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ord=
er Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>; George Holcombe &l=
t;geowanda1 at me.com> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</sp=
an></b> Monday, April 17, 2017 4:35 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: b=
old;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Oe List ...] An Easter gift<br> </font> </di=
v> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv0199286726"><div><div>T=
hank you for this witness, George. Among the many wisdom teachers, Jesus, B=
uddha, Mohammad and many more, you are included.  Loving the continuat=
ion image of resurrection. Helps to embrace the sermons on promises of eter=
nal life. Peace, Judi White</div><div class=3D"yiv0199286726gmail_extra"><b=
r clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0199286726gmail_quote">On Apr 16, 2017 6:=
53 PM, "George Holcombe via OE" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:oe@=
lists.wedgeblade.net">oe at lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0199286726gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"yiv019928672=
6yqt8646904779" id=3D"yiv0199286726yqt35099"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word;"><div style=3D"font-family:'San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSy=
stemFont, sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px;letter-spacing:-0.2=
3999999463558197px;white-space:pre-wrap;"><div class=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073=
230402283814399_1mj yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mf" style=3D"direct=
ion:ltr;font-family:inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:inherit;">In our s=
ervice this Easter morning at a Presbyterian church we sang a hymn written =
by a Methodist (Jesus Christ is Risen Today) and a closing hymn by a Muslim=
 (Morning Has Broken) and following the Scripture reading of John 20 this q=
uote (below). A profound sermon, and a fuller understanding of the idea of =
resurrection.</span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:'San Francisco', =
-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size=
:14px;letter-spacing:-0.23999999463558197px;white-space:pre-wrap;"><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mj yiv0199286726m_807323040228381=
4399_1mf" style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:inherit;"><span style=3D"font-=
family:inherit;">Thich Nhat Hang, Zen monk</span></div></div><div style=3D"=
font-family:'San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, sans-serif;=
color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px;letter-spacing:-0.23999999463558197px;wh=
ite-space:pre-wrap;"><div class=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mj y=
iv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mf" style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:i=
nherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:inherit;">"I think there's a way of tra=
ining ourselves in order not to become the victim of fear and grief- that i=
s to look deeply into ourselves and to see that we are made of non-self ele=
ments. And when we look around ourselves, we can recognize ourselves in the=
 non-self elements, like a father looking at his children can see himself i=
n his children, can see his continuation in his children. So he is not atta=
ched to the idea that his body is the only thing that is him.  He's more th=
an his body.He is inside of his body but he is also at the same (time) outs=
ide of his body in many elements. And if we have the habit of looking like =
that we will not be the victim of our attachment to one form of manifestati=
on, and we will be free. And that freedom makes happiness and peace possibl=
e. Other than meditation is there any specific practicer that can help you =
come to this understanding?</span></div></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Sa=
n Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33=
,41);font-size:14px;letter-spacing:-0.23999999463558197px;white-space:pre-w=
rap;"><div class=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mj yiv0199286726m_8=
073230402283814399_1mf" style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:inherit;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:inherit;">Yes. The Buddha advised us to bear in mind t=
hat everything is impermanent, that nothing has an absolute entity that rem=
ains the same. And when we keep that insight in mind, we can see more deepl=
y into the nature of reality, and we will not be locked in the notion that =
we are only this body, this life span is the only life span we have. In fac=
t, because nothing can be by itself alone, no one can be by himself or hers=
elf alone, everyone has to inter-be with envy one else. That is why, when y=
ou look outside, around, you can see yourself. And when you look into yours=
elf, you can see the outside. So that is a training.=E2=80=9D</span></div><=
div class=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399_1mj yiv0199286726m_80732304=
02283814399_1mf" style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:inherit;"><span style=
=3D"font-family:inherit;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div></div><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-t=
ransform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;">Ge=
orge Holcombe<br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:geowanda1 at me.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:geowanda1 at me.=
com">geowanda1 at me.com</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">"Whatever th=
e problem, community is the answer.  There is no power greater&nb=
sp;than a community discovering what it cares about."  Margaret W=
heatley<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>

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"none" class=3D"yiv0199286726m_8073230402283814399Apple-interchange-newline=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>From Doris Hahn - </div><div><br clear=3D=
"none"></div>Pat Moriarty asked me to Pass this link along to you;so here i=
t is:<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"yiv0199286726MsoNorma=
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