[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...

Mon Aug 31 07:55:51 PDT 2015

Kind of depends on whether we see ourselves more as an independent national community with a mob at our gates, a kind of "we and them" mentality, or we see an interdependent global community where we're all in it together. IMHO, it's all in the story we tell ourselves. 
Randy

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> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Karenbueno <karenbueno at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Good point, Randy.  I think the "liberal heresy" today would be that the United States is called to fully accept all immigrants, without conditions.  The Trump plan to deport all who are undocumented is the opposite.  What might be the "orthodox" belief.
>  
> Karen (Wright) Bueno
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>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Williams via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> To: Frank Knutson <f.knutson at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Order Ecumenical ICA-USA <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>; Order Ecumenical ICA-USA <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 6:57 am
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Breakfast News Conversations...
> 
> Regarding the liberal heresy, one of the learnings I remember from the study of this paper is that in formulating some of the early creeds of the church, heresy was not a perversion of orthodoxy, but instead heresy preceded and gave rise to orthodoxy. Someone would come forth with a doctrine or tenet or whatever and the establishment would say, "well that's not correct, that's not what we believe." In the process they would be forced to formulate what they did believe, which often would then become the orthodox position. Seen in this light, heresy actually is a contributing factor, the motivation behind the church getting clarity on where it stood. Not sure what we would point to in the social realm as heresy today, but it seems possible that, whatever it is, it could play that same role of forcing us to clarify our own position.
> Randy 
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> Sent from my iPad
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> 
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Frank Knutson via OE < oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: 
> 
> Enclosed: THE LIBERAL HERESY  \
> I think it was given by John Epps or maybe Gene Marshall????
> <THE LIBERAL HERESY.docx>
> 
> 
> "What appears to be a breaking down of civilization 
> may well be simply the breaking up of old forms by life itself."  
>     ~  Joyce Carol Oates 
> <VIKING copy.jpeg>
> ❤  Frank        
> 
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue < dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> 
> Fascists and dictators (and now just about everyone) have long understood that 
> deviant behavior is encouraged by the fact that the media give it coverage. 
> For example it used to be, "Don't write about suicide" because the mere 
> mention of suicide might inspire someone to commit suicide in the next few days. 
> Now we are flooded with all kinds of deviant inspiration.  We live in a time of 
> internet, Facebook, Twitter and adultery matchup-services. 
> Like the phrase sometimes used in the RS-1 'Freedom Lecture,'  "All Is Known," 
> literally!  The inundation of 'information' has either swamped us with stress and 
> physical reaction or prompted a new level of defensive withdrawal from engaging. 
> Scriptural wisdom and "Deciding" goes by the board! 
> -----Original Message----- From: steve har via OE 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:06 AM 
> To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net ; Order Ecumenical ICA-USA 
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations... 
> 
> Also called scripture/news conversations 
> 
> You remember them right? 
> random bits of recalled news and then a piece of scriptural wisdom 
> what to do about it? 
> 
> These days news like trying to "drink from a fire hose" 
> My experience now living in the USfA now rather than Costa Rica and 
> listening to USA media is curious. 
> 
> Feels to me like a case of news culture ADHD where nothing is 
> connected to anything except by more and more crisis news events, more 
> passionate & positional thinking more economic political and cultural 
> and more and more "news journalists" driving to their bank on the 
> stream of news. 
> 
> My friend Jack Gilles, if I quote him right, says ORID conversations 
> no longer have a "D" now because it it is all interpretation, everyone 
> has an opinion, everyone is a spectator stuck in the stands watching 
> an unplayable game. 
> 
> Now in conversations  is no "D" in ORID, no one knows how to Decide or what Do. 
> "D" stands for Dumpster or "Don't decide" or "Despair" or just "Done". 
> 
> Joe Mathews had a paper, I believe,  which he  called the liberal 
> heresy - aybe it was the conservative heresy or the reactionary 
> heresy. 
> He used some fancy theological terminology like "the  immediacy of the 
> eschaton" which I never did understand,exactly. 
> Anyone remember this paper? 
> 
> Wondering where IS the scripture part, the wisdom part of the 
> breakfast news conversation? 
> 
> The Christian Science Monitor says THEY are doing two things...As days 
> and weeks pass, the media move on to new stories, often neglecting to 
> tell the “what’s possible?” stories about how the people and 
> communities affected by these tragedies are coping and what they’re 
> learning. We hear these types of stories on one-year anniversaries, 
> but they’re not an ongoing part of the media’s coverage the way that 
> the “what happened?” stories are. A growing body of research is 
> confirming what many have long suspected — that a steady diet of 
> trauma and disaster triggers stress, fear and trauma in those 
> consuming the stories. 
> 
> What if the news media covered stories of recovery and resilience as 
> much as they cover stories about devastation and despair? 
> http://ivoh.org/restorativenarrative/ 
> 
> 
> Steve 
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> Steve 
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